After all Madara lost because of his arrogance.

[Senju Bean]

In all fairness, if madara didn't have karama, hashi would have won easily.

 

[Frankenstein]

So we come to a conclusion that Madara lost cause his sharingan wasn't activated then.. bet he would have ran out of chakra if it was..

It was the last clash, come on. All he needs is a glance, he doesn't perform any examination on the clone to decide if it is a real body or a clone.

 

[Anorien16]

After Kurama was downed there was a lot of fighting before the final clash scene we saw there..... Madara could have ran out of all his chakra by then. This is just an assumption....

 

[cmilius]

Anyway, truth to be told hashi beat Madara and Kurama together fair and square and if madara didn't have kurama along, hashi would have beaten him pretty fast and easily. It is safe to say by the manga fact that hashirama is far stronger than ems madara.

 

[juankimari]

In all fairness, if madara didn't have karama, hashi would have won easily.

Exactly, i can´t believe people are even daring to put Madara on Hashirama´s level.I have two things to say:

1.It was Madara(most powerful Uchiha)+Kurama(most powerful Tailed beast) against Hashirama alone and Hashirama still won.

2.Madara didn´t have his sharingan activated, so some people immediately assume he deactivated it willingly?It is almost 100% guaranteed that he just couldn´t activate it rather than not wanting to activate it.He was completely exhausted and barely standing.

 

[Draphsin]

Exactly, i can´t believe people are even daring to put Madara on Hashirama´s level.I have two things to say:

1.It was Madara(most powerful Uchiha)+Kurama(most powerful Tailed beast) against Hashirama alone and Hashirama still won.

2.Madara didn´t have his sharingan activated, so some people immediately assume he deactivated it willingly?It is almost 100% guaranteed that he just couldn´t activate it rather than not wanting to activate it.He was completely exhausted and barely standing.

1. Kurama is EMS madara's power, you cant deny it

2. He looks fine, (until he gets stabbed) he was even gloating...He thought the fight was over and thus deactivated his sharingan

 

[olumiday]

yup thats true
he lost coz he closed his sharingan,if he didnt hashi would have died,and he couldnt have tricked madara with clone

how would Hashirama have died when he wasn't in a disadvantaged position? he made his clone seem defeated to distract his opponent (just like Naruto vs Neji). Madara fell for it.

don't make up excuses for a shinobi who let his guard down and fell for a simple bunshin tactic.

your comment is like saying a soldier got killed by enemy at night because he decided to take off his night-vision goggles.

 

[Phoenix110]

Hashirama>>>>>>>>>>Madara u'd have to be retarded or just really stupid to say they are equal bcos Hashi stated it at dat time "you can't win against me" even madara knew it

 

[Draphsin]

Hashirama>>>>>>>>>>Madara u'd have to be retarded or just really stupid to say they are equal bcos Hashi stated it at dat time "you can't win against me" even madara knew it

Stop spouting fail, you saw the atrocious condition that hashi was in during their fight...Hashi >= Madara, deal with it...

 

[olumiday]

1. Kurama is EMS madara's power, you cant deny it

2. He looks fine, (until he gets stabbed) he was even gloating...He thought the fight was over and thus deactivated his sharingan

in order words, you agree that mighty madara fell for a fodder technique like bunshin. lol

 

[Draphsin]

in order words, you agree that mighty madara fell for a fodder technique like bunshin. lol

Because he was being cocky, yes...

They are near equal, with hashi being about 5% stronger

 

[7Zero]

Hashi >>>>> Madara
thats the fact i accepted & everyone should do so

Errr.. no.

EMS Madara and Hashirama are about equal.
Unless we later find out that Madara pulled of one the biggest trolls in NV history.
The manga has confirmed it.

BUT Madara need Nine Tails Fox to fight Hashirama what kind of Uchiha is Madara that instead of fighting with his jutsus he needs to control nine tails fox to fight Hashirama

Stop with the pitiful excuses.
The Kyuubi was Madara's summon and requires exceptional mastery of MS to control in a battle situation.
.

 

[accept pain]

although ems madara is strong but hashi beat him.this means hashi > ems madara

but now I think edo madara > edo hashi

 

[7Zero]

although ems madara is strong but hashi beat him.this means hashi > ems madara

but now I think edo madara > edo hashi

Only a deluded fanboy would not be able to see that Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama.

 

[Percy Jackson]

Madara didn't lose because of his arrogance, reason Y he lost because he don't use EMS. why didn't he EMS.. they fight all day long..

Saying Madara deactivate his EMS is just like saying hashirama deactivate his sage mode.

 

[AGoodBoy]

No he didn't lose because of the wood dragon, no he didn't lose because of the mokujin, no he didn't even lose to the oh so mighty Shisuusenju (apparently that was more impressive than it actually is), he lost because he decided to deactivate his sharingan in the final sword clash and got tricked by a mere wood clone (he said that only he could see through them with his sharingan in a previous chapter if you remember).

Thank you Kishimoto, that was the defeat Madara deserved. (no sarcasm, I actually wanted to see him lose because of his arrogance)

Nope. He didn't deactivate it during sword clash.

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[AGoodBoy]

Only a deluded fanboy would not be able to see that Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama.

That's highly debateable.

EMS madara was taken out by hashirama. Hashirama had to deal with EMS madara and Kyuubi

Edo madara no longer has kyuubi (he doesn't have full control over juubi so that's moot). He's lost a ton of power in his arsenal, even though he gained some more through rinnegan and mokuton. Don't underestimate the absolute power of Susano'o cloaked kyuubi in that bout.

 

[Senju Bean]

People keep saying that summoning Karama is part of Madara's power. The whole problem with that kind of argument is that had hashi found karama first, it would have been the other way around. Keep in mind, hashi controlled up to five tailed beasts at one point.

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Yup, that was his downfall.

Yep and that will be his downfall again probably