[Discussion] African Americans are not African | Misclassification

[Kurogane]

Why do white american call themselves european american but called european euro trash ?

 

[Ōkami]

Why do white american call themselves european american but called european euro trash ?

Well Americans are weird bunch.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

The American Aborigines as well as those in Australia were some of the very first tribes to have travelled out of Africa. They were originally from Africa themselves; as all the Tribes of Africa were, starting in Ethiopia and migrating throughout the rest of the continent before (some) leaving the continent.

Some early tribes (who at this stage would be classified as SubSaharan HomoSapien) also travelled into Europe where they came across HomoNeanderthalensis who during that time were based and originated from the Caucus Mountains of Eastern Europe. Before the extinction of HomoNeanderthalensis (what many know or identify as the 'cave man') a mixing took place between the two. This would explain why modern day Europeans, Asians, Southasians, and even some modern day black people who had been mixed as a result of the Translantic Slave Trade; have subsequently been proven to have the strains of the HomoNeanderthalensis DNA. This has been scientifically and genetically proven; with the exception of current day SubSaharan Africans (inclusive of the Aboriginal Tribes who had not mixed either).

They were originally African.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That theory has been debunked

Africans of course...which ones I don't know


Nah I have heard about him when it comes to alternative history



The guy kneeling in that painting looks to much like the guy with cross and crown in the first painting I posted showing the baptism. I feel like videos would do a better and more efficient job of explaining things.

Christopher Columbus "Origin of the term Indian"
[video=youtube_share;iBbAWNK30-o]https://youtu.be/iBbAWNK30-o[/video]

Oh is that so?

 

[Melanin]

So your whole thing is reduced to you are categorize based on your own acknowledgement. Thus rendering your first post meaningless.

GG bro, your own logic outwits you.

Lol you would say that because your not capable of countering the Sophisticated logic and reasoning but I'm not here to make up for your lackluster and inabilities. As I said before everyone is entitled to call themselves what they want when they want and how they want. But none of those choices denounced the fact that African-Americans ancestry stems from Africa. Just because a person doesn't want to identify themselves based on their ancestry doesn't mean they aren't what they. You obviously cannot comprehend the response I gave you so I understand why your response is "lackluster" and why you see the facts as meaningless.

Anyway, educate yourself.

 

[JStar King]

So we should all have a giant family reunion.

I'll bring the Deviled eggs.

I'll bring the Peach Cobbler. Wassup!

 

[Avani]

Africans of course...which ones I don't know


Nah I have heard about him when it comes to alternative history



The guy kneeling in that painting looks to much like the guy with cross and crown in the first painting I posted showing the baptism. I feel like videos would do a better and more efficient job of explaining things.

Christopher Columbus "Origin of the term Indian"
[video=youtube_share;iBbAWNK30-o]https://youtu.be/iBbAWNK30-o[/vid eo]

You missed the point- that image is useless as an evidence for your theory.

[video=youtube;wWzsSg4TUMw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWzsSg4TUMw[/video]

 

[whiteboy2345]

Thanks for making us look bad by showing off your inferiority complex. Suck it up, you're african. The only other DNA we have is European DNA as a sub-race of the African phenotype. Accept your ancestry.

 

[Melanin]

You missed the point- that image is useless as an evidence for your theory.

[video=youtube;wWzsSg4TUMw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWzsSg4TUMw[/video]

Exactly, all op is doing is posting images and Theory's.

 

[Ōkami]

Lol you would say that because your not capable of countering the Sophisticated logic and reasoning but I'm not here to make up for your lackluster and inabilities. As I said before everyone is entitled to call themselves what they want when they want and how they want. But none of those choices denounced the fact that African-Americans ancestry stems from Africa. Just because a person doesn't want to identify themselves based on their ancestry doesn't mean they aren't what they. You obviously cannot comprehend the response I gave you so I understand why your response is "lackluster" and why you see the facts as meaningless.

Anyway, educate yourself.

Oh such a foolish boy, I've already told you that your argument against OP was defeated by your own logic.

I know you have the inability to realize you blow smoke up your own ass every time you post but it's the truth.

Unless you were born in Africa then migrated to America, you're not African-American.

I know you want to be a special snowflake who think his ancestors endured slavery and are apart of history, spoiler alert, they're not.

But regardless, your own logic defeated you, just accept it.

Man, you must be that one kid in school that never gives up on debates when he lost.

 

[Loki d]

You missed the point- that image is useless as an evidence for your theory.

Yeah but no....they're not Native American that's a different group....
[video=youtube_share;WRTJgDvdQ8U]https://youtu.be/WRTJgDvdQ8U[/video]

Thanks for making us look bad by showing off your inferiority complex. Suck it up, you're african. The only other DNA we have is European DNA as a sub-race of the African phenotype. Accept your ancestry.

***** stfu. You don't know what the hell you're talking about...not every dark person is of African descent. Don't be ignorant of people's history and heritage...lay off the slave movies bruh. You may have European DNA and your ancestors may have came from Africa but not everyone elses so speak for yourself.

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Exactly, all op is doing is posting images and Theory's.

Well do you need me to elaborate...

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

If you're talking about "Black" then ok. But African-Americans obviously know what country their parents have originated....

 

[whiteboy2345]

African American's clearly resemble their West African and East African cousins, especially their South African cousins. Why can't you accept that African American's are black, we are of the African race.

Unless you can explain why people that are native to Africa look exactly like African-Americans in some other fashion, then your entire theory is wrong. Suck it up, black people are African. You just feel so inferior that you look for ways to not look African. Let the Native American's be who they are, let them have their culture, considering they're almost all extinct.

 

[Ludicrous]

Guys it's 2017 why are we still calling native americans indians?

 

[HashiraMadara]

African American's clearly resemble their West African and East African cousins, especially their South African cousins. Why can't you accept that African American's are black, we are of the African race.

Unless you can explain why people that are native to Africa look exactly like African-Americans in some other fashion, then your entire theory is wrong. Suck it up, black people are African. You just feel so inferior that you look for ways to not look African. Let the Native American's be who they are, let them have their culture, considering they're almost all extinct.

South African cousins


OP: I am guessing the Indian Bantu and Sri Lankan Kaffirs are not Africans

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[Avani]

Yeah but no....they're not Native American that's a different group....
[video=youtube_share;WRTJgDvdQ8U]https://youtu.be/WRTJgDvdQ8U[/video]

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Yea you won't be able to find all your ancestors individually, nor can determine their nationality but admixture testing can determine which of the major bio-geographical population groups a person belongs to – sub-Saharan African, European, East Asian, or Native American. Paternal Lineage test also provides insights into your Ancient Ancestry stretching back many thousands of years. You can learn about where your ancient ancestors migrated and settled as humans spread throughout the continents.The maternal lineage test traces your ancient ancestry from your mother’s side.The maternal lineage test differs from the paternal test in that it cannot validate a family relationship — so even if your maternal DNA is an identical match with another participant it can only prove that you may have been related thousands of years ago. On the other hand, if your results differ in any way, the results prove that your are definitively not related.

So if you are trying to find out if your great grand mother/father belonged to a group or not, you can. If you have such a small amount of genetic data from a group that it's not traceable then you are not that closely related to that group anyway even if someone in your family was somewhat connected at one point. Either way it's certainly multiple time more reliable than a random snap shot taken only after new comers were already settled in USA and we do not have anyway to know if they just joined some local tribes by adoption or marriage or were just dressed up in fancy dresses for the photo shoot after landing in USA in recent history.

It's interesting that you are not ready to consider DNA tests at all but would rely on the skin colour that's least reliable to determine someone's ancestry. When the earliest humans migrated out of Africa, they adapted to their new surroundings and became distinct populations from one another which can be detected by analyzing DNA. Indians may have darker skin but they are not "African" for past 60,000 years. They simply live in hot region. In contrast African that came to India with Arabian armies or Portuguese or the likes just a few centuries ago can be identified distinctly and not just by skin colour.

Saying that, there are some surprising similarities between South Indians and Mayans, Cambodians and Java motifs and deities, archeology etc; board game of pachisi being very similar to Pattoli and language along with stone statues of deities holding corn in hand in India . Now corn/maize was supposedly not known in rest of the world before Europe "rediscovered" America. Yet Indians must be familiar with it for depicting it in art long before that- at least as far back as 2nd century AD and is mentioned in literature even from before that time. Similarly I have read that Egypt and some other South African countries also had a prior reference to maize. So ancient civilization definitely have had contact and trade relations of one sort or another from much earlier.

It won't be any surprise that some Africans have reached there and settled a long time ago before Columbus. I am not against that idea. But I am saying that the proof you are posting are useless and that they do not support your particular theory of most African Americans of today being native moors. It maybe something to look into, if you are interested in the topic. But you need to look for more authentic sources and information.

 

[Skully1]

Really the world is too obsessed we need grow up its only skin deep

Except it's not.

But that's OK. It doesn't need to be for someone who doesn't want to be racist.

 

[Sagebee]

Except it's not.

But that's OK. It doesn't need to be for someone who doesn't want to be racist.

I'm confused the point your making

 

[whiteboy2345]

South African cousins


OP: I am guessing the Indian Bantu and Sri Lankan Kaffirs are not Africans

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Before Europeans came to South Africa, there were in fact South African people of the Sub-Saharan african race. When we think of South Africans we think of white people, but there were in fact Africans there before Europeans showed up. So I don't know why you have a laughing emoji.

 

[Loki d]

Yea you won't be able to find all your ancestors individually, nor can determine their nationality but admixture testing can determine which of the major bio-geographical population groups a person belongs to – sub-Saharan African, European, East Asian, or Native American. Paternal Lineage test also provides insights into your Ancient Ancestry stretching back many thousands of years. You can learn about where your ancient ancestors migrated and settled as humans spread throughout the continents.The maternal lineage test traces your ancient ancestry from your mother’s side.The maternal lineage test differs from the paternal test in that it cannot validate a family relationship — so even if your maternal DNA is an identical match with another participant it can only prove that you may have been related thousands of years ago. On the other hand, if your results differ in any way, the results prove that your are definitively not related.

DNA tests don't account for migration. For example, European colonizers were shipping negroes from America to settle in lands of West Africa. The slave trade started with Indians then Irish then Asian then Africans. There were also many "Back to Africa" movements with white supremacists involved along with Marcus Garvey. So these DNA tests could literally match an "African-American" to descendants of Americans in West Africa. Thousands if not millions of people were shipped from here to West Africa. Only about 300,000 Africans were brought to North America directly.

So if you are trying to find out if your great grand mother/father belonged to a group or not, you can. If you have such a small amount of genetic data from a group that it's not traceable then you are not that closely related to that group anyway even if someone in your family was somewhat connected at one point. Either way it's certainly multiple time more reliable than a random snap shot taken only after new comers were already settled in USA and we do not have anyway to know if they just joined some local tribes by adoption or marriage or were just dressed up in fancy dresses for the photo shoot after landing in USA in recent history.

No it only means that the group is not closely related to the original people. A lot of crazy shit happens in America like European descendants claiming native ancestry. This has been going on for centuries. Even in the hippie movement most of these hippies started wearing feathers and practicing native culture in the wilderness. Many of the original tribes on the East Coast and South were either destroyed or disbanded by law. Some of the Midwest tribes are legit but many infiltrators claim false native ancestry.

It's not about relying on merely photos...the numbers don't add up to the "black" population in 1790.

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People don't take into account classification and the meaning of words that differed in the past. How people's identity changed due to laws or because they were slaves aka property.

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It's interesting that you are not ready to consider DNA tests at all but would rely on the skin colour that's least reliable to determine someone's ancestry. When the earliest humans migrated out of Africa, they adapted to their new surroundings and became distinct populations from one another which can be detected by analyzing DNA. Indians may have darker skin but they are not "African" for past 60,000 years. They simply live in hot region. In contrast African that came to India with Arabian armies or Portuguese or the likes just a few centuries ago can be identified distinctly and not just by skin colour.

I am not relying on skin color...I am relying on oral history and heritage. Why would I put more trust into strangers (DnA companies) than my grandparents and ancestors. I don't believe in the Out of Africa theory. There were already dark negro like people in India before the Aryan invasion.

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It won't be any surprise that some Africans have reached there and settled a long time ago before Columbus. I am not against that idea. But I am saying that the proof you are posting are useless and that they do not support your particular theory of most African Americans of today being native moors. It maybe something to look into, if you are interested in the topic. But you need to look for more authentic sources and information.

Nah Africans didn't settle in the Americas...it's possible but I disagree. Well I can't post everything on this website and since you're not really familiar with "African American" history and have been indoctrinated to accept one theory as fact I can understand your opinion. Many families in America were able to pass on important historical information so there are always different sides to a story.

Can you tell the difference between men from Papua New Guinea, Fiji, North America, and a indigenous West African?