[Discussion] African/African American slavery...lets talk it.

[Troyg39]

This is what is bothering me when it comes to this particular topic, people saying ~everyone had slavery~ while disregarding numerous differences for trivializing the past crimes against humanity.

Every country has factory workers but does a factory worker in China has the same rights, income and status with a factory worker in Norway, surely not.

It bothers me too a little but in a way I understand it. To be perfectly honest it's similar to when black people point out "there's crime in every race" when someone mentions crimes that are more relevant to our group. It's a defense mechanism. Usually when you're looking up slavery, you're more than likely either apart of the ethnic groups involved or you are in the region it took place. Not everyone can handle seeing the ugly truths of their history or people, whether it be from a victim or oppressor's point of view, many will broaden the scope, because it lessens the focus and the significance, something you're more likely to benefit from if you have an attachment to the topic.

But also I think it's because of the nature of the conversations. Few people are trying to learn and understand. They're either trying to demean another group or deflect their own issues, which hinders progression in my opinion. When people say, "there's crime in every race", it takes away the chance to learn why, how, and what stimulates the particular crimes in the particular communities, thus keeping us from finding real solutions. When people say "everyone had slavery", they are too missing the specific lessons and conditions of the region that lead to their version of the practice.

"Blacks sold each other too" is a good one that's used a lot. But what you miss by taking this at face value is that slavery spurred by tribal incentives lead to a much different application of slavery than one spurred by race and economics. White Americans didn't follow this model. Though they had plenty of poor White Americans they could've enslaved, they chose to puchrase black slaves instead. And though it may be hard to imagine any positives coming out of American slavery, there was a certain unity that was maintained through their evil racial viewpoint, and "American pride" was still preserved in a way. Had they chose to come back to America and enslave each other, there's a good chance they America today wouldn't be that much better than Africa today due to lack of unity and pride, which is littered all over American history in good and bad ways. You miss that if you just lump and generalize slavery as a whole.

 

[slimreaper]

It bothers me too a little but in a way I understand it. To be perfectly honest it's similar to when black people point out "there's crime in every race" when someone mentions crimes that are more relevant to our group. It's a defense mechanism. Usually when you're looking up slavery, you're more than likely either apart of the ethnic groups involved or you are in the region it took place. Not everyone can handle seeing the ugly truths of their history or people, whether it be from a victim or oppressor's point of view, many will broaden the scope, because it lessens the focus and the significance, something you're more likely to benefit from if you have an attachment to the topic.

But also I think it's because of the nature of the conversations. Few people are trying to learn and understand. They're either trying to demean another group or deflect their own issues, which hinders progression in my opinion. When people say, "there's crime in every race", it takes away the chance to learn why, how, and what stimulates the particular crimes in the particular communities, thus keeping us from finding real solutions. When people say "everyone had slavery", they are too missing the specific lessons and conditions of the region that lead to their version of the practice.

"Blacks sold each other too" is a good one that's used a lot. But what you miss by taking this at face value is that slavery spurred by tribal incentives lead to a much different application of slavery than one spurred by race and economics. White Americans didn't follow this model. Though they had plenty of poor White Americans they could've enslaved, they chose to puchrase black slaves instead. And though it may be hard to imagine any positives coming out of American slavery, there was a certain unity that was maintained through their evil racial viewpoint, and "American pride" was still preserved in a way. Had they chose to come back to America and enslave each other, there's a good chance they America today wouldn't be that much better than Africa today due to lack of unity and pride, which is littered all over American history in good and bad ways. You miss that if you just lump and generalize slavery as a whole.

lets look at it individually then

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But my people are evil though

 

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"bruh" you biased. You claim white folks wanna whitewash slavery, yet it was white folks that freed you.

Yeah, for convenience.

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So If we just threw out the constitution tomorrow and made obama dictator, you'd expect the people to just be cool with that and not revolt? And the people would be the bad guys for not taking it?

When did I disagree with this?

But I said nothing? yeah ok. Nah I just didn't need a wall to say it

You still haven't said shit.

lets look at it individually then

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But my people are evil though

Bruh, you said it yourself, all races have evil in them, we're currently talking about slavery that occurred in the US. How can you not stay on topic?

 

[slimreaper]

Yeah, for convenience.

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When did I disagree with this?



You still haven't said shit.




Bruh, you said it yourself, all races have evil in them, we're currently talking about slavery that occurred in the US. How can you not stay on topic?

It was convenient to free the slaves? It didn't drive us to a civil war?

 

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It was convenient to free the slaves? It didn't drive us to a civil war?

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You're not serious are you...?

 

[Sir Francis Drake]

see there your dumb ass goes again trying to paint the Mexicans as innocent. And I'm just armed with my view point? get the **** outta here with that bullshit.

Mexico threw out the constitution(the constitution of 1824) the Texans immigrated under and became more dictatorial.

If that happened in America if they just threw out the constitution and became a dictatorship, you'd expect the legal immigrants here to just take it?


**** off dumb ass with your constant need to question my intelligence. Inferiority complex at it's finest.


I made a fuss because My group is the only group held to the standard of past evils in current America.

In "my mind" I'm at the top? No dog, In facts i'm at the top it's evident in the standing of white folks in America. You wanna take it, I'm gonna keep it. It's that simple

Nah fam. Man smooth ended your career. You might as well as stop posting in the thread.

 

[slimreaper]

Nah fam. Man smooth ended your career. You might as well as stop posting in the thread.

I still haven't got an answer to the question though...

If we threw out the constitution and went to a dictatorship, would you not expect us to revolt?

That's what mexico did to cause the texas revolution yet he paints the texans as evil.

As far as immigration goes, I'm pro illegal immigration. As long as it's not got any benefits

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When I get an answer I'll concede. I won't get one though cuz he can't admit his own biases. He's too busy point out mine


^^This *****. And I'm saying nothing

 

[Troyg39]

see there your dumb ass goes again trying to paint the Mexicans as innocent. And I'm just armed with my view point? get the **** outta here with that bullshit.

Ohhh I'm a dumbass now?? Ok, let's play some more slime.

Mexico threw out the constitution(the constitution of 1824) the Texans immigrated under and became more dictatorial.

If that happened in America if they just threw out the constitution and became a dictatorship, you'd expect the legal immigrants here to just take it?

They weren't a simple dictatorship, don't butcher history. Mexico had just gained independence in 1821, and was a liberal vs conservative based government (sound familiar). The problem was too much conservative vs liberal back and forth, with new political parties coming in and undoing what the previous party had done (sound REAL familiar right?) thus leading to them throwing out their first constitution in 1824 and replacing it with another.

As far as legal immigrants here tolerating our government throwing out our constitution, didn't you say in another post "if you don't like how a government is run, then leave"? Yea that was you who said that! And that's what I would expect them to do, leave. Not attack US soldiers and start a war between US and Mexico, which is what the southern american immigrants did. Stop contradicting yourself for the sake of an argument lol

**** off dumb ass with your constant need to question my intelligence. Inferiority complex at it's finest.

Says the guy attempting to curse me out over the internet hahahahahaahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Trust me I don't question your intelligence at all anymore, I'm well aware of your ignorance.

I made a fuss because My group is the only group held to the standard of past evils in current America.

Correction. Your group, i.e. white americans, are the only group held to the standard of past AMERICAN evils because it is AMERICAN history. It is not my fault that history shows SOME white Americans either enslaving or capitalizing on several other ethnic groups. Those are just facts. When you die, take it up with your ancestors.

In "my mind" I'm at the top? No dog, In facts i'm at the top it's evident in the standing of white folks in America. You wanna take it, I'm gonna keep it. It's that simple

And thus we finally see it come out. The same superiority complex that caused generations of racial drama. "I'm the best because I'm white, that's just the way it is. Look at white folks in America vs everyone else We Da Best! (DJ Khaled voice)". You can certainly have it slime lol. Now here. Hold this L. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Sir Francis Drake]

I still haven't got an answer to the question though...

If we threw out the constitution and went to a dictatorship, would you not expect us to revolt?

That's what mexico did to cause the texas revolution yet he paints the texans as evil.

As far as immigration goes, I'm pro illegal immigration. As long as it's not got any benefits

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When I get an answer I'll concede. I won't get one though cuz he can't admit his own biases. He's too busy point out mine

Of course we would revolt but that wasn't the case with the texas revolution. That was an instance of immigrants from America attacking some soldiers, demanding special treatment, and causing a fairly new nation to lose a large chunk of land. Why are you trying to sidestep the answers given to you?

 

[Troyg39]

lets look at it individually then

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But my people are evil though

Fool that comment wasn't even towards you, and I even highlighted a good thing that came from American slavery. Hahahahahaha Hold this L too with your wikipedia source hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I see you took my advice though. Got that phone working OVERTIME trying to look up information you know nothing about hahahahahaha. Bruh forget an L. Take this T. Flip it upside down. Split it in half, and hold these two L's hahahahahaha

 

[slimreaper]

Ohhh I'm a dumbass now?? Ok, let's play some more slime.



They weren't a simple dictatorship, don't butcher history. Mexico had just gained independence in 1821, and was a liberal vs conservative based government (sound familiar). The problem was too much conservative vs liberal back and forth, with new political parties coming in and undoing what the previous party had done (sound REAL familiar right?) thus leading to them throwing out their first constitution in 1824 and replacing it with another.

As far as legal immigrants here tolerating our government throwing out our constitution, didn't you say in another post "if you don't like how a government is run, then leave"? Yea that was you who said that! And that's what I would expect them to do, leave. Not attack US soldiers and start a war between US and Mexico, which is what the southern american immigrants did. Stop contradicting yourself for the sake of an argument lol



Says the guy attempting to curse me out over the internet hahahahahaahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Trust me I don't question your intelligence at all anymore, I'm well aware of your ignorance.


Correction. Your group, i.e. white americans, are the only group held to the standard of past AMERICAN evils because it is [/B]AMERICAN[/B] history. It is not my fault that history shows SOME white Americans either enslaving or capitalizing on several other ethnic groups. Those are just facts. When you die, take it up with your ancestors.



And thus we finally see it come out. The same superiority complex that caused generations of racial drama. "I'm the best because I'm white, that's just the way it is. Look at white folks in America vs everyone else We Da Best! (DJ Khaled voice)". You can certainly have it slime lol. Now here. Hold this L. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I said leave you're right. If you hit up some context clues you should grasp that I meant take the state with you when you dip(as they did)

"Under President Antonio López de Santa Anna, the Mexican government began to shift away from a federalist model. The increasingly dictatorial policies, including the revocation of the Constitution of 1824 in early 1835, incited many federalists to revolt.[7] The Mexican border region of Texas was largely populated by immigrants from the United States. These were accustomed to a federalist government and to extensive individual rights, and they were quite vocal in their displeasure at Mexico's shift towards centralism.[8] Already suspicious after previous American attempts to purchase Texas,[9] Mexican authorities blamed much of the Texian unrest on American immigrants."

they got close enough

B*itch take it up with your ancestors

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We finally see what come out? The obvious


Lets talk about hypocrisy for a moment shall we... Blacks claim I've got inherent white privilege, but when I say check the scoreboard dog, suddenly I've got a superiority complex? Nah I've got evidence. But ill make sure to take that up with my ancestors when I die man. Knuckle bumps all around.

That's funny.

 

[Multiply]

Ohhh I'm a dumbass now?? Ok, let's play some more slime.



They weren't a simple dictatorship, don't butcher history. Mexico had just gained independence in 1821, and was a liberal vs conservative based government (sound familiar). The problem was too much conservative vs liberal back and forth, with new political parties coming in and undoing what the previous party had done (sound REAL familiar right?) thus leading to them throwing out their first constitution in 1824 and replacing it with another.

As far as legal immigrants here tolerating our government throwing out our constitution, didn't you say in another post "if you don't like how a government is run, then leave"? Yea that was you who said that! And that's what I would expect them to do, leave. Not attack US soldiers and start a war between US and Mexico, which is what the southern american immigrants did. Stop contradicting yourself for the sake of an argument lol



Says the guy attempting to curse me out over the internet hahahahahaahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Trust me I don't question your intelligence at all anymore, I'm well aware of your ignorance.


Correction. Your group, i.e. white americans, are the only group held to the standard of past AMERICAN evils because it is AMERICAN history. It is not my fault that history shows SOME white Americans either enslaving or capitalizing on several other ethnic groups. Those are just facts. When you die, take it up with your ancestors.



And thus we finally see it come out. The same superiority complex that caused generations of racial drama. "I'm the best because I'm white, that's just the way it is. Look at white folks in America vs everyone else We Da Best! (DJ Khaled voice)". You can certainly have it slime lol. Now here. Hold this L. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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You didn't have to kill him tho :lol.

 

[Sir Francis Drake]

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You didn't have to kill him tho :lol.

Lets have a moment of silence for this man. Had his career ended and was killed all in the same thread.

 

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I said leave you're right. If you hit up some context clues you should grasp that I meant take the state with you when you dip(as they did)

"Under President Antonio López de Santa Anna, the Mexican government began to shift away from a federalist model. The increasingly dictatorial policies, including the revocation of the Constitution of 1824 in early 1835, incited many federalists to revolt.[7] The Mexican border region of Texas was largely populated by immigrants from the United States. These were accustomed to a federalist government and to extensive individual rights, and they were quite vocal in their displeasure at Mexico's shift towards centralism.[8] Already suspicious after previous American attempts to purchase Texas,[9] Mexican authorities blamed much of the Texian unrest on American immigrants."

they got close enough

B*itch take it up with your ancestors

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We finally see what come out? The obvious


Lets talk about hypocrisy for a moment shall we... Blacks claim I've got inherent white privilege, but when I say check the scoreboard dog, suddenly I've got a superiority complex? Nah I've got evidence. But ill make sure to take that up with my ancestors when I die man. Knuckle bumps all around.

That's funny.

Never seen someone grasp for so many straws in one post :lol.

 

[slimreaper]

Never seen someone grasp for so many straws in one post :lol.

Again and you talk about me saying nothing.


You don't even back up your lame ass assessment


yall n*ggas over here cheerleading like

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[UchiGod Itachi]

It was convenient to free the slaves? It didn't drive us to a civil war?

It benefited both race even those living under the confederate rule, The leaders of the Confederate were making profit high numbers off of slaves because it was so cheap whites weren't getting hired to do any jobs. Why would they hire whites monthly for a job when you can buy a slave one-time wholesale make the money back record time breed more plus over work them, Lincoln seen the harm of that it was both whites & blacks who freed slaves Around 200,000 blacks were in the union army.

 

[Multiply]

Again and you talk about me saying nothing.


You don't even back up your lame ass assessment

The proof is in the pudding B. If you ain't trying to eat the pudding, ain't my fault. The L still exists and you still holding it.

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[slimreaper]

The proof is in the pudding B. If you ain't trying to eat the pudding, ain't my fault. The L still exists and you still holding it.

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my point still stands. If they threw out the constitution and people revolt, you can't blame the people. get over it.

I took an L but I haven't been proven wrong though. alright:lol

 

[Multiply]

my point still stands. If they threw out the constitution and people revolt, you can't blame the people. get over it.

I took an L but I haven't been proven wrong though. alright:lol

You've been proven wrong the entire thread B, it's not our fault that you're blind to it. You're confusing personal views with facts. Troyg was telling you facts of history and you're telling him how you feel on a subject. That's the difference. It's all good if you don't understand, because it's evident you're ignorant to the US History you love so much.

 

[Sir Francis Drake]

my point still stands. If they threw out the constitution and people revolt, you can't blame the people. get over it.

I took an L but I haven't been proven wrong though. alright:lol

>"I-i lost b-but not really!"