[VS] Adult Sasuke VS VOTE2 Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

Lmfao A God >> some old uchiha

Lol I wonder who is trolling on your account now.....

 

[Apêx1]

Sasuke's last PS was still PS. There will be no change in its durability, speed and physical attack power or even other attacks unless it doesn't directly pull on the exposed Bijuu Chakra. He simply rearranged the available chakra space to form a new form that would be accommodating for the chakra. Otherwise, as PS only has limited chakra, a large chunk of its portions were completely empty. You cannot make anything better than PS.

So you are saying Sasuke's PS pre-Bijuu is just as durable as his PS post-Bijuu? Or am I misunderstanding you here?

OT: Preta Paths should work on Indra's Arrow just fine. Adult Sasuke takes this.

 

[Brooks]

Vote Sasuke shouldn't even attempt using Indora no Ya(as adult Sasuke has many ways of stopping such as Dimension Jumping or Gakidō) which would leave him completely helpless against his adult version, but the major difference comes in between the power of their Susanoo...adult Sasuke takes this if he plays his cards right(I would have to wait for the movie also...it may give adult Sasuke better feats to make this match easier for him).​

 

[ARGUS]

why the hell is preta being mentioned here as a viable counter?

if he really attempts preta to counter indras arrow, then sasuke can just use a BPS slash and a shockwave cleaves him in half.
using preta just leaves him defenseless

and using preta whilst he is camped inside susanoo just makes no sense at all,

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added with the fact that it only surroudns the user himself so not only would preta have to first start absorbing his susanoo before it absorbs indras arrow, but this theoretically isnt even possible, because sasuke cant use a technique that reverses his chakra flow along with a technique that uses his direct chakra all at the same time

then theres canon where madara himself stated that using susanoo prevented him from using preta

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[Zexion~]

Yeah.....I'm not that retarded.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

why the hell is preta being mentioned here as a viable counter?

if he really attempts preta to counter indras arrow, then sasuke can just use a BPS slash and a shockwave cleaves him in half.
using preta just leaves him defenseless

and using preta whilst he is camped inside susanoo just makes no sense at all,

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added with the fact that it only surroudns the user himself so not only would preta have to first start absorbing his susanoo before it absorbs indras arrow, but this theoretically isnt even possible, because sasuke cant use a technique that reverses his chakra flow along with a technique that uses his direct chakra all at the same time

then theres canon where madara himself stated that using susanoo prevented him from using preta

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Sasuke should be fast enough to dodge the arrow, or Amen it, the problem is the shock wave, which can't be absorbed because it's pure energy not chakra, the difference is,VOTE Sasuke will have depleted his chakra, leaving him defenseless. And Susanoo can be absorbed.

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke should be fast enough to dodge the arrow, or Amen it, the problem is the shock wave, which can't be absorbed because it's pure energy not chakra, the difference is,VOTE Sasuke will have depleted his chakra, leaving him defenseless. And Susanoo can be absorbed.

Susanoo cant be absorbed without sasuke losing his defense as stated in my previous post
and if he ttries to absorb sasukes BPS head on then a single swing of the blade and he gets bisected

BPS strikes are much faster than PS given that it blitzed RSM naruto with it, and its soo much stronger than a regular PS that it was shit stomping 4 RSM avatars.
adult sasukes PS may be stronger than VOTE2 sasukes regular PS but the chakra development doesnt compensate for the huge gap between PS and BPS

BPS is bound to tag Sasukes with indras arrow and when that happens its GG
and repeated slashes from BPS will obliterate sasukes PS here either way if he has troubles in landing IA

as for chakra,, i doubt that sasukes running out of it that soon since his chakra is only used for PS, the rest is bijuus chakra that lets him acheive BPS,
either way BPS shits on PS before this even becomes a factor

 

[shelke]

So you are saying Sasuke's PS pre-Bijuu is just as durable as his PS post-Bijuu? Or am I misunderstanding you here?

OT: Preta Paths should work on Indra's Arrow just fine. Adult Sasuke takes this.

Why would it be more durable? Did Sasuke absorb the Bijuu chakra? No. Did he add it to his Susano'o structure in any manner? No. Kurama clearly mentions that Susano'o was acting as a point for the containment of the chakra, exactly like how a Mezo functions:

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- Mezo being used an intermediary to mold the chakra. What is Sasuke using to do that? Susano’o.

How would it add anything to its durability, speed or its own attack patterns? The only point it did was when Sasuke directly pulled the chakra out of the container to form chakra based attacks. I am not sure about Senbons (I am stil on the fence about this), but Indra's Arrow was definitely made out of the contained chakra.

Beyond that, any punch, or physical attack it would make would still be of Sage Chakra charged PS. It makes no sense for a chakra to add anything to PS when it's lying separate from its structure underneath it.


@ KIFF

Madara had the same problem as Sasuke; he was inexperienced with the Rinnegan. In order to use PP through other techs, one requires more experience. Kishimoto explained it fully through Sasuke. With Madara, we simply didn't know what the issue was.

 

[BLAZE]

BPS strikes are much faster than PS given that it blitzed RSM naruto with it

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Wasn't it becoz he used Amenotejikara with it

 

[ARGUS]

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Wasn't it becoz he used Amenotejikara with it

Using ameno has got nothing to do with the actual striking speed
When Sasuke himself used ameno on naruto. His strike was reacted to and blocked
However when BPS used it. Naruto got shit blitzed
Despite being in the same avatar that's speed is on par with sasukes PS

Madara had the same problem as Sasuke; he was inexperienced with the Rinnegan. In order to use PP through other techs, one requires more experience. Kishimoto explained it fully through Sasuke. With Madara, we simply didn't know what the issue was.

No. Experience was not the issue for Madara since he knows the mechanics of the rinnegan but despite all that we get a statement that Preta was hindered by susanoo so Madara has no excuses

As for Sasuke well. Kagutsuchi is different from susanoo in a sense that it doesn't completely surround the user nor does it require immense amount of chakra to be pumped in and maintained like susanoo
If he uses Preta its going to just nullify the susanoo because he can't have his chakra flow reversed and chakra itself maintained at the same time

 

[shelke]

No. Experience was not the issue for Madara since he knows the mechanics of the rinnegan but despite all that we get a statement that Preta was hindered by susanoo so Madara has no excuses

As for Sasuke well. Kagutsuchi is different from susanoo in a sense that it doesn't completely surround the user nor does it require immense amount of chakra to be pumped in and maintained like susanoo
If he uses Preta its going to just nullify the susanoo because he can't have his chakra flow reversed and chakra itself maintained at the same time

Knowing the mechanics of Rinnegan techs don't mean anything. Sasuke did everything Madara did and more and on a far better scaling. PP cannot be used with other Ninjutsus, not until experience is established. We know for a fact that Madara died very soon after he awoke Rinnegan, so it's no surprise that he lacks experience with it.

Experience is a determinant factor for PP to function with other techs. Since Susano'o is ninjutsu, it cannot be used in conjunction with PP. I mean, this isn't even debatable when Kurama made it crystal clear.

 

[Apêx1]

Why would it be more durable? Did Sasuke absorb the Bijuu chakra? No. Did he add it to his Susano'o structure in any manner? No. Kurama clearly mentions that Susano'o was acting as a point for the containment of the chakra, exactly like how a Mezo functions:

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- Mezo being used an intermediary to mold the chakra. What is Sasuke using to do that? Susano’o.

How would it add anything to its durability, speed or its own attack patterns? The only point it did was when Sasuke directly pulled the chakra out of the container to form chakra based attacks. I am not sure about Senbons (I am stil on the fence about this), but Indra's Arrow was definitely made out of the contained chakra.

Beyond that, any punch, or physical attack it would make would still be of Sage Chakra charged PS. It makes no sense for a chakra to add anything to PS when it's lying separate from its structure underneath it.


@ KIFF

Madara had the same problem as Sasuke; he was inexperienced with the Rinnegan. In order to use PP through other techs, one requires more experience. Kishimoto explained it fully through Sasuke. With Madara, we simply didn't know what the issue was.

I re-read the chapters. It makes no sense for Sasuke's BPS to have outright tanked this attack

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when Naruto's avatars got damaged by it. Especially since his PS avatar had previously taken damage from merely a Chidori+TBB clash. This was 3 Senbon vs 3TBB.

OT: Somebody suggested Preta is useless here? Sasuke can in fact use Preta on himself and turn the rest of his Susano ethereal while initating absorption. The re-formation of the ethereal parts is pretty much instant. Sasuke's ability to use Shadow Clones as an adult would surely help him too in this case, a Shinra Tensei would in fact push the BPS back while in the air (0 damage), it's merely a heavy flying object, so its weight would be irrelevant given its not touching the ground for stability. All the gravitational force has to do is have enough gravitational force to push that much weight away, which shouldn't be too hard given Deva Paths was pushing away 3 Giant Toads at once in the past. Sasuke with Rikudo chakra>>>>>>>Prime Nagato>>>White Haired Nagato>>>Deva Paths

 

[shelke]

I re-read the chapters. It makes no sense for Sasuke's BPS to have outright tanked this attack

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when Naruto's avatars got damaged by it. Especially since his PS avatar had previously taken damage from merely a Chidori+TBB clash. This was 3 Senbon vs 3TBB.

It does, based on the following aspects:

Avatar: The avatar used 3 clones, which means it was at 1/4th of its original power. It's nothing more than a pile of Chakra and Kurama cannot put out anything more for the Avatar; it always functions on a limited chakra supply. Clones don't even have the durability of the original.

We saw that with KCM clones, killed with a mere Rasangan and Gunbi swipe:

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BM clone - a measly TBB killed its clone when several TBBs simply bounced off the original body that had not divided its chakra yet:

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Gunbai's reflection works on a simple principle of reflecting the equal amount of energy from any tech back at the user in form of a gust of wind, so it isn't like it enhanced the tech in any manner:

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Uchiha Reflection (Uchiha Gaeshi)
Ninjutsu,close range,defensive,offensive, B-rank.
Users: Uchiha Madra/Uchiha Obito

The fan that produces the rough wind!

Uchiha family member s specialty to fan the fire is in their blood (this is why fan is their clan symbol, their pride- TN). Madra s weapon Gumbai Uchiwa (war fan) is an honorific, inherited from previous clansmen generations, carved of a unique spirit (sacred) tree "ryouju" from which only special ritual instruments are made.

This fan has a bound ability to convert incoming chakra to wind nature manipulation (seishitsu). By using the fan’s stiffness, it returns back the enemy's jutsu in a burst of a violent storm; this is the “Uchiha reflection nature”. During the era of the warring kingdoms Madara killed many ninja by their own ninjutsu.

Picture 1: During the stage of the 4-th Great Ninja War Madara used this war fan to absorb Naruto' s "Chou mini bijudama".

Picture 2. And instantly converted into wind nature transformation. Strong gust of wind blew away Naruto' s shadow clone.

So, it's safe to assume that after making 3 Kage Bunshins, it won't have the same durability or the fire power as before. Which is why Naruto assimilated the chakra of all Kage Bunshins back into the original Avatar; by cancelling one and literally merging with the other two to give him an extra set of arms for the Tbbs. It was nothing more than a display of better control over his avatar. Otherwise, it was still the same thing.

Then we have Susano'o itself:

V3 + Senjutsu was shown to be just as strong as BSM Avatar. No matter what excuses anyone makes, it's just a plain and simple fact:

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It would be foolhardy to overlook this. PS would be canonically superior than BSM avatar as it has always shielded it as well. The author has shown it repeatedly. Nothing suggests otherwise and nothing implies otherwise. To simply assume that BSM avatar and above power scaling wouldn't go the same way is an assumption.

Therefore, Sage Chakra charged PS would also be stronger than RSM Charged BM avatar. As Susano'o was already a tier above the BM avatar running on Frog Sage Mode Chakra. I mean, look at their techs. The chakra division resulted in smaller TBBs from the avatars and they couldn't even repair the damage on their faces.

Distance:

Your example is not correct, given the distance. When they clashed with Chidori and Tbb clash, the techs exploded in their faces. Of course PS would take damage if it was that close. But we have seen Susano'o repair damage if the user has enough chakra as seen during Danzo incident. So, it isn't out of the world if it did.

With the senbon and tbbs clash, the distance is large. This is where the Avatar and PS stand when they are about to launch their attacks:

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Sasuke tossed the avatars away in their tussle:

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So, why wouldn't it tank a mere clash of senbon and small tbbs from such a large distance away? Your claim that just because avatars sustained damage - clones and divided chakra to begin with - and PS should have too doesn't make much sense to me. When PS has been shown to be more durable than the avatar from the onset? Do you know the limit of what PS can tank? Kaguya's massive supply of chakra through 3 vacuum palms smash it open. But is Naruto and this attack putting out the same? Nope.

I will put forward the same questions: the chakra is lying under susano'o, as Sasuke simply rearranged the same PS to create it. Why would it add anything to it when it isn't assimilated with PS?

 

[BLAZE]

Using ameno has got nothing to do with the actual striking speed
When Sasuke himself used ameno on naruto. His strike was reacted to and blocked
However when BPS used it. Naruto got shit blitzed

Or he was Caught offgaurd. No one knew sasuke will use S/T via susanoo
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it dosen't make Sasuke/Shin faster

Despite being in the same avatar that's speed is on par with sasukes PS

Didn't naruto used clones meaning each avatar was 1/4th of original avatar

 

[Apêx1]

It does, based on the following aspects:

Avatar: The avatar used 3 clones, which means it was at 1/4th of its original power. It's nothing more than a pile of Chakra and Kurama cannot put out anything more for the Avatar; it always functions on a limited chakra supply. Clones don't even have the durability of the original.

We saw that with KCM clones, killed with a mere Rasangan and Gunbi swipe:

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BM clone - a measly TBB killed its clone when several TBBs simply bounced off the original body that had not divided its chakra yet:

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Gunbai's reflection works on a simple principle of reflecting the equal amount of energy from any tech back at the user in form of a gust of wind, so it isn't like it enhanced the tech in any manner:

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Uchiha Reflection (Uchiha Gaeshi)
Ninjutsu,close range,defensive,offensive, B-rank.
Users: Uchiha Madra/Uchiha Obito

The fan that produces the rough wind!

Uchiha family member s specialty to fan the fire is in their blood (this is why fan is their clan symbol, their pride- TN). Madra s weapon Gumbai Uchiwa (war fan) is an honorific, inherited from previous clansmen generations, carved of a unique spirit (sacred) tree "ryouju" from which only special ritual instruments are made.

This fan has a bound ability to convert incoming chakra to wind nature manipulation (seishitsu). By using the fan’s stiffness, it returns back the enemy's jutsu in a burst of a violent storm; this is the “Uchiha reflection nature”. During the era of the warring kingdoms Madara killed many ninja by their own ninjutsu.

Picture 1: During the stage of the 4-th Great Ninja War Madara used this war fan to absorb Naruto' s "Chou mini bijudama".

Picture 2. And instantly converted into wind nature transformation. Strong gust of wind blew away Naruto' s shadow clone.

So, it's safe to assume that after making 3 Kage Bunshins, it won't have the same durability or the fire power as before. Which is why Naruto assimilated the chakra of all Kage Bunshins back into the original Avatar; by cancelling one and literally merging with the other two to give him an extra set of arms for the Tbbs. It was nothing more than a display of better control over his avatar. Otherwise, it was still the same thing.

Ok, I see what you mean here. It's like when Madara used 25 Susano clones and the Susano's were too weak to even kill Mei with an attack or destroy Gaara's sand with 4 swords. Same thing should apply to Naruto's construct, I'll agree here.

Then we have Susano'o itself:

V3 + Senjutsu was shown to be just as strong as BSM Avatar. No matter what excuses anyone makes, it's just a plain and simple fact:

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It would be foolhardy to overlook this. PS would be canonically superior than BSM avatar as it has always shielded it as well. The author has shown it repeatedly. Nothing suggests otherwise and nothing implies otherwise. To simply assume that BSM avatar and above power scaling wouldn't go the same way is an assumption.

Therefore, Sage Chakra charged PS would also be stronger than RSM Charged BM avatar. As Susano'o was already a tier above the BM avatar running on Frog Sage Mode Chakra. I mean, look at their techs. The chakra division resulted in smaller TBBs from the avatars and they couldn't even repair the damage on their faces.

You're not taking into account that Sasuke's v3 Susano+Kyuubi chakra cloak was portrayed as BM avatar's equal. When Sasuke attained the Senjutsu from Jugo Naruto went BM, so they both received an equal boost once again [

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]. They would be equals. The only thing you can argue is that Naruto's avatar cannot possibly get stronger from more Nature Energy, because Nature Energy already works in a balance. When Kurama gathered an excess amount that excess amount can only be used for a jutsu, in the same way Sasuke's Bijuu chakra can only be used for a jutsu. Naruto's final avatar could not have been capable of getting stronger because it was already at its strongest, you cannot use more Sage chakra then what he already had, because it's always a BALANCE. People don't seem to get this, and suggest that Naruto's avatar would somehow be better then it was previously, but that's not the case.
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Distance:

Your example is not correct, given the distance. When they clashed with Chidori and Tbb clash, the techs exploded in their faces. Of course PS would take damage if it was that close. But we have seen Susano'o repair damage if the user has enough chakra as seen during Danzo incident. So, it isn't out of the world if it did.

Being closer to the epicentre would yield far more energy, I agree.

With the senbon and tbbs clash, the distance is large. This is where the Avatar and PS stand when they are about to launch their attacks:

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Sasuke tossed the avatars away in their tussle:

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This is where you are wrong. Sasuke's PS is clearly in that page right next to the avatars

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He's in the centre right panel, clearly right next to them. The only thing you can possibly argue is that they only took damage because they were 1/4th power, but that still wouldn't explain why he took damage from the Chidori vs TBB clash. You'll still need a viable explanation for that, that's the only way you can convince me.

So, why wouldn't it tank a mere clash of senbon and small tbbs from such a large distance away? Your claim that just because avatars sustained damage - clones and divided chakra to begin with - and PS should have too doesn't make much sense to me. When PS has been shown to be more durable than the avatar from the onset? Do you know the limit of what PS can tank? Kaguya's massive supply of chakra through 3 vacuum palms smash it open. But is Naruto and this attack putting out the same? Nope.

I will put forward the same questions: the chakra is lying under susano'o, as Sasuke simply rearranged the same PS to create it. Why would it add anything to it when it isn't assimilated with PS?

It was close. No, we don't know what the limit of PS is prior to VOTE2. And I know what you are saying. It shouldn't add anything if it isn't a part of Sasuke. The stats of the PS would be unchanged, logically speaking, in the same way that gaining excess Nature Energy would do nothing for Naruto's avatar itself. Yet there's a scenario where Sasuke's PS tanked 3 TBB's/Senbon's from point blank.

 

[lndra]

I think logically Adult Sasuke win

 

[shelke]

You're not taking into account that Sasuke's v3 Susano+Kyuubi chakra cloak was portrayed as BM avatar's equal. When Sasuke attained the Senjutsu from Jugo Naruto went BM, so they both received an equal boost once again [

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]. They would be equals. The only thing you can argue is that Naruto's avatar cannot possibly get stronger from more Nature Energy, because Nature Energy already works in a balance. When Kurama gathered an excess amount that excess amount can only be used for a jutsu, in the same way Sasuke's Bijuu chakra can only be used for a jutsu. Naruto's final avatar could not have been capable of getting stronger because it was already at its strongest, you cannot use more Sage chakra then what he already had, because it's always a BALANCE. People don't seem to get this, and suggest that Naruto's avatar would somehow be better then it was previously, but that's not the case.

By that time the Bijuu cloak was gone. You can even check out the scans right before the time when Obito picks up the avatar and smashes it down.

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- Bubbly.

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- No bubbles.

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- No bubbles.

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- Naruto's own cloak is also exuding bubbles.

Furthermore, along with the bubbles being closed to the line of the body, the cloak has rabbit-like ears and a very short space above the head:

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It doesn't have it for Sasuke on any panel after Jugo dispersed NE and Sasuke added it within his V3.

When Sasuke did have the same shape and bubbles right before Jugo aided him - I can clearly see the shape even on such a small panel:

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It doesn't look like he had it afterwards, which brings back to the original argument that V3 is equal to BM avatar.

Yes, it cannot. Because as soon as NE touched the three headed BM avatar, it only acted as a junction point and all that NE was immediately transferred into the two techs. It served as nothing more than a conduit.
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This is where you are wrong. Sasuke's PS is clearly in that page right next to the avatars

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He's in the centre right panel, clearly right next to them. The only thing you can possibly argue is that they only took damage because they were 1/4th power, but that still wouldn't explain why he took damage from the Chidori vs TBB clash. You'll still need a viable explanation for that, that's the only way you can convince me.

It isn't next to them. Look closely under the vertical column of symbols. I can clearly see two lines running under them. Those are two separate panels:

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The rest of the explanation should fall into place, as you seem to have misread this scan.

It was close. No, we don't know what the limit of PS is prior to VOTE2. And I know what you are saying. It shouldn't add anything if it isn't a part of Sasuke. The stats of the PS would be unchanged, logically speaking, in the same way that gaining excess Nature Energy would do nothing for Naruto's avatar itself. Yet there's a scenario where Sasuke's PS tanked 3 TBB's/Senbon's from point blank.

If you assume that Sasuke's PS grew stronger, then you would have to assume that the Avatar was much stronger and Sasuke had to add a lot of chakra to match it, when that isn't the case:

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It didn't tank it point blank, like I showed you. PS was still the same and so was the Avatar. If tiers are taken into account, then Susano'o is naturally stronger than the avatar as PS has always shielded it and BSM was equivalent only to a stabilized V3 version. That is two tiers below PS, if V4 is taken into account.

 

[Apêx1]

By that time the Bijuu cloak was gone. You can even check out the scans right before the time when Obito picks up the avatar and smashes it down.

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- Bubbly.

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- No bubbles.

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- No bubbles.

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- Naruto's own cloak is also exuding bubbles.

Furthermore, along with the bubbles being closed to the line of the body, the cloak has rabbit-like ears and a very short space above the head:

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It doesn't have it for Sasuke on any panel after Jugo dispersed NE and Sasuke added it within his V3.

When Sasuke did have the same shape and bubbles right before Jugo aided him - I can clearly see the shape even on such a small panel:

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This doesn't matter. What matters is that Sasuke formed his Susano using the Kyuubi cloak

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. So everything that it does while having been boosted by the Kyuubi cloak would logically be attributed to the Kyuubi cloak. The cloak finishing afterwards wouldn't mean anything since the Susano's foundation is based off of the Kyuubi+Sasuke's chakra. Hopefully you don't try to argue this as it would be contradictory to the claim you previously made regarding the Bijuu chakra. The Bijuu chakra was not a part of Sasuke so it can't be boosting his Susano, but in this case the Kyuubi chakra WAS a part of him.

It doesn't look like he had it afterwards, which brings back to the original argument that V3 is equal to BM avatar.

Yes, it cannot. Because as soon as NE touched the three headed BM avatar, it only acted as a junction point and all that NE was immediately transferred into the two techs. It served as nothing more than a conduit.
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Doesn't matter. v3 being equal to BM is a fallacious claim, BM was surviving the Juubi's laser, v3 Susano would get absolutely raped by that without any boost from the Kyuubi's chakra.

Agreed.

It isn't next to them. Look closely under the vertical column of symbols. I can clearly see two lines running under them. Those are two separate panels:

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The rest of the explanation should fall into place, as you seem to have misread this scan.

Ok I didn't even notice that smh. You're right here then.

If you assume that Sasuke's PS grew stronger, then you would have to assume that the Avatar was much stronger and Sasuke had to add a lot of chakra to match it, when that isn't the case:

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Not sure what you are trying to convey here.

It didn't tank it point blank, like I showed you. PS was still the same and so was the Avatar. If tiers are taken into account, then Susano'o is naturally stronger than the avatar as PS has always shielded it and BSM was equivalent only to a stabilized V3 version. That is two tiers below PS, if V4 is taken into account.

Ok. Still can't fathom how you can believe a v3 Susano=BM. If anything the Senjutsu boost Sasuke received from Rikudo's chakra is granting the same boost Naruto receives from using his 'SM'. There should be no differing boost because all Senjutsu is the same, and Naruto can't gather more Senjutsu to augument an already balanced Senjutsu chakra. Hence it would mean PS is only equal to BM, and his lack of Senjutsu makes his PS slightly short of BSM. When the Rikudo power-ups are taken into account both have Senjutsu already balanced into their chakra so there's no difference between Naruto's Senjutsu enhanced Avatar and Sasuke's Senjutsu enhanced PS.

 

[Narutp1sasuke2 LetsGo]

Vote 2 Sasuke gets a back massage by adult sasuke.
Indra arrow GG

 

[shelke]

This doesn't matter. What matters is that Sasuke formed his Susano using the Kyuubi cloak

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. So everything that it does while having been boosted by the Kyuubi cloak would logically be attributed to the Kyuubi cloak. The cloak finishing afterwards wouldn't mean anything since the Susano's foundation is based off of the Kyuubi+Sasuke's chakra. Hopefully you don't try to argue this as it would be contradictory to the claim you previously made regarding the Bijuu chakra. The Bijuu chakra was not a part of Sasuke so it can't be boosting his Susano, but in this case the Kyuubi chakra WAS a part of him.

It does matter, man. I never stated that he didn't have it. I even posted the link where he did. Besides, the cloak wouldn't be a determinant factor in Susano'o climbing tiers, so I don't see how it is of any importance here. Fact remains, when he was smashed down, and before it, he didn't have it then.

Why would it get raped? This is a erroneous claim to make when you do not have much to back it up with other than an assumption that just because BM avatar tanked it, V3 stabilized doesn't have a chance, when we are talking about an EMS V3 here and not an MS one. The susano'o foundation? Come on! If the cloak is gone, how is Bijuu chakra boosting it in any manner?

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Cloak:

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Sasuke and Jugo, both of them, do not have their cloaks on. How was it boosting its power then? The cloak only boosts ninjutsu as long as it's on.

Ok. Still can't fathom how you can believe a v3 Susano=BM. If anything the Senjutsu boost Sasuke received from Rikudo's chakra is granting the same boost Naruto receives from using his 'SM'. There should be no differing boost because all Senjutsu is the same, and Naruto can't gather more Senjutsu to augument an already balanced Senjutsu chakra. Hence it would mean PS is only equal to BM, and his lack of Senjutsu makes his PS slightly short of BSM. When the Rikudo power-ups are taken into account both have Senjutsu already balanced into their chakra so there's no difference between Naruto's Senjutsu enhanced Avatar and Sasuke's Senjutsu enhanced PS.

V3 Sasuke used was made through EMS, so, it's safe to assume that it went through some augmentation?

The difference in sizes is immense:

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It isn't much taller than Sasuke, to be honest:

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Look at it in EMS. You can barely see Sasuke and it's inside its head:

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Now, I fully agree that the tech would execute more power as long as the cloak is on. But once it's gone, then it makes no sense for it to still function on the same footing. Also, EMS produces bigger and sturdier structures, which is why all of Madara's Susano'os are bigger than Sasuke's MS versions:

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So, it's safe to assume that EMS augments the Ninjutsu, since achieving legs and plating means that one is that much closer to PS?

V4 went through clear augmentation: it had clear plating on the arms, giving it a sturdier structure:

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EMS V4 straight away pulls a small Enton sword:

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There is a solid bow formation on the side as well:

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Now look at the MS one - no plating and nothing other than one Enton ember. It has much more resemblance to Itachi's MS Susano'o as well:

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No, that is an EMS tech, not an MS one. Why can't it be as sturdy as BM? This claim makes no sense to me. Without any evidence that it cannot be, you are simply believing on a forum established logic. It cannot tank a laser, just because, is not an argumentation. Nor is the idea that it being as sturdy as BM on just because basis. You have to produce something here to provide basis for this claim.

The cloak is gone as I proved. What is boosting its power then? Also, why does a PS fall short of BSM? What are you exactly basing this on when the manga has shown PS to act as an armour for BM, always?