[VS] Adult Sasuke VS VOTE2 Sasuke

[Raykyryn]

Lil Sasuke beats his old self.. well, actually destroys it.

 

[BLAZE]

Adult Sasuke throws him in Desert Dimension :bdpf:

 

[DHOH]

Your the one who always stating that Naruto = Sasuke yet you contradict yourself. From what your saying, Sasuke can instantly create BPS while Naruto needs time to gather all the natural energy from the world, How are they even equal then? Sasuke would neg 10/10 times and that's with out Rinnegans full tech.

This is how I see it, Ashura Avatar and BPS are an external power up, just like how Sasuke needs to gather the Bijuus Chakra Naruto need to gather the Naruto energy of the world. I also agree that Adult Sasuke > VoTE Sasuke.

Sasuke with improved PS (not BPS) with full mastered Rinnegan tech = Naruto 100% Kurama.

Otherwise it's a stomp Sasuke's way.

Yes Naruto and Sasuke are equal. I never said Sasuke can create BPS(Bijuu Perfect Susanoo). It's a reason why I call it Humanoid Sasanoo because that Susanoo can be formed without Bijuu chakra.. That's the proof we sen in the Boruto movie. It takes Naruto literally seconds to gather all the natural energy in the area, so I don't see how that's a setback.

I disagree I believe Naruto's chakra has grown, especially with adding other half of kyuubi, and if he got out of the Hokage office and work on it, he should be able to perform Ashura Avatar. Unless you think Ashura was a sage and Indra was a Jin.

Again I disagree. Sasuke with Humanoid Sasuanoo, (obviously it's not BPS because it doesn't contain Bijuu chakra) with full master Rinnengan = equals a 100% Kurama with Ashura avatar.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

It takes Naruto literally seconds to gather all the natural energy in the area, so I don't see how that's a setback.

I disagree I believe Naruto's chakra has grown, especially with adding other half of kyuubi, and if he got out of the Hokage office and work on it, he should be able to perform Ashura Avatar. Unless you think Ashura was a sage and Indra was a Jin.

I disagree, Naruto clearly took more than a couple of seconds to gather the natural energy, from 30 seconds or above. Ashura might have been Sage or have a lot of chakra since it was confirmed Ashura was not a Jin, Hogoromo hinted that his power was the help from his comrades plus Ashura's Avatar =\= Naruto Kyuubi Ashura Avatar. Indra was never shown to have humanoid Susanoo and Sasuke calling the attack Indra's Arrow maybe from mulitple reasons, Sasuke called Indra's Arrow because he had Indra's Chakra or that Indra could use Indra's Arrow in his PS.

Again I disagree about Naruto chakra growth, There is no way Adult Naruto's chakra pool has substantially grown that much that he has gain the equivalent of the entire worlds natural energy.

 

[DHOH]

I disagree, Naruto clearly took more than a couple of seconds to gather the natural energy, from 30 seconds or above. Ashura might have been Sage or have a lot of chakra since it was confirmed Ashura was not a Jin, Hogoromo hinted that his power was the help from his comrades plus Ashura's Avatar =\= Naruto Kyuubi Ashura Avatar. Indra was never shown to have humanoid Susanoo and Sasuke calling the attack Indra's Arrow maybe from mulitple reasons, Sasuke called Indra's Arrow because he had Indra's Chakra or that Indra could use Indra's Arrow in his PS.

Again I disagree about Naruto chakra growth, There is no way Adult Naruto's chakra pool has substantially grown that much that he has gain the equivalent of the entire worlds natural energy.

I meant it took Naruto under a minute to gather the natural energy, is why I said seconds.

My point is we have no ideal how Ashura was able to make his avatar, sage or not.. What we do know is that Naruto had very little chakra and Karuma wasn't near 100% on chakra neither.. So it's very plausible for Naruto to perform the same Avatar without gathering all that Natural energy..

We know that Indra wasn't a Jin, so why would Sasuke need all the Bijuu chakra to perform the same jutsu? We know that Indra didn't have Humanoid Susanoo to do Indra's arrow, so why should Sasuke. IMO Indra's arrow is the strongest ration jutsu perform by PS.

Not saying his growth is equal to the entire world, just strong enough with the other half of Kurama to do without needing Naruto energy at all.. If he trained.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Has Sasuke surpassed his past self?

Adult Sasuke
(Six Tomoe-Rinnegan Mastery & Perfect Susano'o)

VS

VOTE2 Sasuke
(Six Tomoe-Rinnegan & Bijuu Chakra Susano'o)

Adult Sasuke, of course. And yes, he has surpassed his past self. He has everything VOTE 2 Sasuke has and more. He has complete mastery over 6T Rinnegan and can create the ultimate form of Susanoo as well.

I don't think sasuke can match bijuu PS with his regular chakra.

He's grown a lot in every aspect, but i think he'd never reach that Susano level, ever.

Of course, he can. Sasuke can create "BijuuPS" whenever he wants. His Six Paths chakra is potent enough.

VOTE2 Indra Arrow GG.

Adult Sasuke can do that, no problem.

Toss up.

If Adult has complete mastery over Rinnegan and can use it in conjunction with his Susanoo then he wins if not he gets mauled.

Sure he can. What's the problem?

VOTE Sasuke wins this,
BPS > PS and sasukes non factor rinnegan techniques

What makes you think BPS can't be created by Adult Sasuke (on his own)?

It's not even close.

Sasuke's chakra pool grew to a rate that allows him to open Kagiya's deminsion. A jutsu that even drains her chakra after 5 or six uses..
The chakra Sasike receive from the sage and his own supply is stronger than any chakra he can gain from bijuus. Sasuke can now perform the Same susanoo he made with the bijuu chakra which potentially be even stronger because of the quality of chakra.

Adult Sasuke now has mastery of rinnengan gives him ST, BT, soul ripping and more summonings.. He now have the numbers with clones, that's just overkill.

I can't think of one single advantage that vote 2 Sasuke has besides more chakra.. Adult Sasuke wins low-mid dif.

This.

Why are people bringing up the dimension travelling?

Sasuke can't actually use it in a fight he just opens up portals and travels through them. That's not anything special when Obito and Sakura could do the same thing.

VOTE Sasuke wins this High Difficulty.

You're right about dimension travelling. It's not really that useful in battle. But despite that, I don't understand how VOTE Sasuke wins. What can VOTE Sasuke do that Adult Sasuke can't?

Vote 2 Sasuke easily.

Reasons will be appreciated.

Lmao seems people dont know the difference between the humanoid susanoo at vote2 and the one in the movie. Vote2 he used the bijuus chakra combined them all in one as a vessel for the susanoo in the movie kurama was the vessel yes he wasnt absorbing kurama chakra but kurama avatar is already chakra itself he didnt need to shape it into human form. Rinnegan mastery or not indra arrow one shots. Battle comes down to megazords and fire power

Let me explain that "Bijuus chakra" part. Sasuke took a portion of all the Bijuus chakra (not the entire reserves of their chakra) and merged them. In that way, he attained a portion of the Juubi's chakra, which as you must know by now, is the same power as his Six Paths chakra. So I don't see any reason why Adult Sasuke can't create BijuuPS or fire Indra's Arrow without the Bijuus, considering the fact that he still has his Six Paths chakra.

Adult Sasuke can do everything VOTE Sasuke could do. Rinnegan mastery is a bonus.

Ay had 20 years of growth from when he fought Minato in forest to War Arc and his chakra was only on the level of a single Bijuu. Give Ay another 20 years of chakra growth and he still won't match 8.5 Bijuu in chakra.

You're going to have to prove Sasukes 17 years of chakra growth > 8.5 Bijuu in chakra. In 20 years Ay only reached single Bijuu level chakra so you're going to need to prove why Sasukes chakra grew substantially faster than his or anyone else for that matter. 8.5 Bijuu is what Kaguya had, so are you insinuating Sasukes chakra is even greater than Kaguyas?

Firstly, the point isn't about the quantity of chakra one attains later on. The powers belonging to one do not depend on the quantity of chakra. Secondly, Sasuke never had 8.5 Bijuus. He only had a portion of chakra of the 8.5 Bijuus (large or small doesn't matter) and merged them i.e. he had a portion of Juubi's chakra. That's what he used to create that ultimate form of Susanoo.

As I said, chakra quantity does not matter. So chakra growth is irrelevant. And consider that after the fact that Sasuke didn't even have 8.5 Bijuus chakra.

 

[DHOH]

Adult Sasuke, of course. And yes, he has surpassed his past self. He has everything VOTE 2 Sasuke has and more. He has complete mastery over 6T Rinnegan and can create the ultimate form of Susanoo as well.



Of course, he can. Sasuke can create "BijuuPS" whenever he wants. His Six Paths chakra is potent enough.



Adult Sasuke can do that, no problem.



Sure he can. What's the problem?



What makes you think BPS can't be created by Adult Sasuke (on his own)?



This.



You're right about dimension travelling. It's not really that useful in battle. But despite that, I don't understand how VOTE Sasuke wins. What can VOTE Sasuke do that Adult Sasuke can't?



Reasons will be appreciated.



Let me explain that "Bijuus chakra" part. Sasuke took a portion of all the Bijuus chakra (not the entire reserves of their chakra) and merged them. In that way, he attained a portion of the Juubi's chakra, which as you must know by now, is the same power as his Six Paths chakra. So I don't see any reason why Adult Sasuke can't create BijuuPS or fire Indra's Arrow without the Bijuus, considering the fact that he still has his Six Paths chakra.

Adult Sasuke can do everything VOTE Sasuke could do. Rinnegan mastery is a bonus.



Firstly, the point isn't about the quantity of chakra one attains later on. The powers belonging to one do not depend on the quantity of chakra. Secondly, Sasuke never had 8.5 Bijuus. He only had a portion of chakra of the 8.5 Bijuus (large or small doesn't matter) and merged them i.e. he had a portion of Juubi's chakra. That's what he used to create that ultimate form of Susanoo.

As I said, chakra quantity does not matter. So chakra growth is irrelevant. And consider that after the fact that Sasuke didn't even have 8.5 Bijuus chakra.

Would rep but can't.. Great post!!

 

[Chaosmark101]

If Adult Sasuke can absorb the bijuu's chakra Before
VOTE Sasuke can. He'd stomp/Obliterate his younger self.

If not, he still wins.
-VOTE Sasuke's Rinnegan techniques. (Deva & Preta) aren't doing jack to PS
-BPS's arsenal of PS Chidori senbon, & Indra's arrow can be dodged by Amenotejikara.
-Eventually VOTE Sasuke gets frustrated with not being able to jack to his older more collected version. Runs out of bijuu chakra & gets wasted.

Ot:Adult Sasuke with bijuu chakra neg difficulty.
Adult Sasuke without bijuu chakra mid difficulty

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Your the one who always stating that Naruto = Sasuke yet you contradict yourself.

Let me speak on his behalf because of our similar perspectives.

Yes, Naruto = Sasuke, that's true. No one is contradicting that. But that is in terms of abilities, powers, jutsus, firepower, counters etc. But their move set and the utilization of those abilities is different from each other. Kishi never said that they're perfectly same in every regard. He just said that their power and abilities are equal, which they are, and that's what we believe as well.

There are two things that matter:
1. Abilities (in which Naruto = Sasuke, according to Kishi). This means BPS = 3 faced Kurama Avatar.
2. Utilization of those abilities (which Kishi never said they're equal in). This is the factor in the creation of those abilities i.e. creation of BPS and 3 faced Kurama Avatar. In this regard, Sasuke is superior because he can create it quicker.

In general, Sasuke's utilization of abilities is superior. But that's completely fair because Naruto has a much larger chakra pool compared to Sasuke, so Sasuke should definitely get an advantage in some other area.

From what your saying, Sasuke can instantly create BPS while Naruto needs time to gather all the natural energy from the world, How are they even equal then? Sasuke would neg 10/10 times and that's with out Rinnegans full tech.

Yes, whether you like it or not, Sasuke can create BPS instantly while Naruto needs time to gather all the natural energy, so he does have the advantage in utilization. But that doesn't disturb their equality as Kishi promised. Because BPS is still equal to 3 faced Kurama Avatar in firepower, jutsus and abilities. The utilization of those abilities has nothing to do with equality.

And relax, Sasuke won't neg. Yes, Sasuke could neg, but he never will. Why else do you think Sasuke absorbed the Bijuus chakra much later down the fight? It was to give Naruto enough time to gather enough natural energy to create the 3 faced Kurama Avatar. Kishi will always plan the fights to be a draw. Otherwise, Sasuke could also neg in VOTE 2. He would absorb Bijuus chakra much earlier and fired Indra's Arrow and pulverized Naruto.

This is how I see it, Ashura Avatar and BPS are an external power up, just like how Sasuke needs to gather the Bijuus Chakra Naruto need to gather the Naruto energy of the world.

Correction: Not the natural energy of the world. Just the natural energy all around him in that area.

And neither BPS nor 3 faced Kurama Avatar are external power ups, because both powers can be created independently by both Naruto and Sasuke. Collecting natural energy is technically an external power but all of Naruto's powers are technically external powers while Sasuke's powers reside within his own self. That's what makes Naruto and Sasuke equal, and that's basically the theme of this manga. Naruto's cooperation matches Sasuke's solo.

I also agree that Adult Sasuke > VoTE Sasuke.

Yeah, that's for sure. Because Adult Sasuke can do everything VOTE Sasuke could do and more.

Sasuke with improved PS (not BPS) with full mastered Rinnegan tech = Naruto 100% Kurama.

Sasuke has BPS for sure.

In VOTE, Sasuke collected a portion of all 9 Bijuus chakra (large or small doesn't matter because quantity is irrelevant) and merged them. In this way, he attained Juubi's chakra, which as you know, is the same power as Six Paths chakra which Sasuke's possesses. So if he could create BPS with Bijuus chakra, sure he can create BPS with Six Paths chakra without problem because they're both essentially the same.

Why did he do that? Because he was short on Six Paths chakra, of course.

Look at it another way:

Six Paths chakra + MS = PS (Indra, Kakashi and Sasuke showed that).
So naturally, Six Paths chakra + EMS = BPS.

Otherwise it's a stomp Sasuke's way.

Not really. Sure Sasuke has the advantage, but what's the deal? It's not like he can kill Naruto or whatever.

 

[Blunt]

To put it simply, your explanation is wishy-washy. VOTE sasuke can use the exact same counter that you stated that adult sasuke would use, yet we know that VOTE sasuke with biju would one shot VOTE sasuke without biju.

Though Adult Sasuke has far more experience with his Rinnegan, and can probably intake far more chakra per second than his teenage incarnation.

CT is simple condensed rock. Indras arrow runs right through it and kills adult sasuke. If countering indras arrow was so simple, then naruto wouldve just clashed against it with standard bijudama.

Except Naruto had to use BDFRS to counter those rocks, which carries the properties of three abilities, Bijuudama, FRS and Goudama, seeing as his Goudama are no longer present afterward. Indra's arrow either gets greatly diminished in speed, or simply doesn't make it through the CT, Adult Sasuke should be capable of replicating Madara's feats here, even if it isn't the same number, it's not running through multiple +Mountain ranged rocks like butter. Even if it could, Sasuke still can repel it with CST, or fly upward, even absorb and weaken it before it even makes contact if the other options aren't feasible, which they are.

Blocking indras arrow with susanos wings is nonsense since narutos along with his asura avatar wouldve been vaporized if he took a direct hit.

You misread, this is simply to FURTHER buffer or soak the damage up.

Instead he had to absorb the whole planets natural energy to counter it. Adult sasuke has no technique on the power scale of indras arrow so he gets blown away just like naruto would have without the whole worlds natural energy.

I'm pretty sure I've heard quite a lot it was just from around the proximity of VoTE2, not the planet.

 

[Unorthodox]

Of course a Chidori pumped by So6P can destroy that meteor. Thats not proof his chakra grew that much, its proof So6P puts jutsu on steroids, something we already knew. Oh, I see your evidence for 17 years of chakra growth being greater than 8.5 Bijuu is because Sasuke was 17 and hadn't reached his prime. I guess everyone over the skip who hit their prime has more chakra than 8.5 Bijuu. :erm:

Why you acting like a dumbass? yup by that feat from the last shits on VOTE2 Sasuke's chidori so your point is moot fool. Wrong chakra does not need to be greater than 8.5 bijuu because he did not use bijuu he used they're raw chakra which is much weaker than a jinchuriki or the bijuu by its lonely. Nope because everyone does not progress at the same rate as sasuke so your logic is stupid shitty.

No Nike Air, 17 years of growth being greater than raw bijuu power is not a fact, otherwise every shinobi in their prime would have raw power greater than that of a Bijuu.

Uchiha is the strongest clan in narutoverse outside of Hagoromo's people so this logic falls flat on its ass as Uchiha's can reach bijuu level of power without a hago boost i.e perfect susanoo,Kamui,KA, while other shinobi could not even become close to bijuu tier ninja so again your logic falls flat on its face you basically implying everyone would progress at the same rate which is not factual at anything really.

Sasukes chidori not chopping Madara in half only means Madara is more durable than the meteor.

No its does not when his katana pierced Madara and then later he choped Madara in half and this still does not change the fact their clash at VOTE was nowhere near his power the displayed in the last.

This whole paragraph is wrong. What proof do you have that Kaguya had larger chakra reserves than anyone? What proof do you have Otsutsuki have chakra miles ahead of everyone else? You have no proof to pull up and I'll tell you why.

I do Sasuke even stated her chakra was on another level she made Madara blow up like a balloon just by pumping her chakra into him she was even stated to outclass the juubi by miles so i do have proof. the fact that giving half of an otosutsuki power made Sasuke & Naruto jump tiers.

KAGUYA WAS THE FIRST WEILDER OF CHAKRA.

Point?

HAGOROMO AND HAMURA WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE BORN WITH CHAKRA.

My point exactly there the closest thing to the original source which was kaguya the more they expanded the further the chakra got broken down to less potent levels.

HAGOROMO SPREAD CHAKRA TO OTHERS THROUGH NINSHUU..

And?

Get it? Otsutsuki were already a clan thousands of years ago. They had no chakra, so drop the bullshit about them being tiers above everyone because no one had chakra besides hagoromo, hamura, and Kaguya until hagoromo spread it to everyone else.

Wrong Hagoromo is thousands of years old she was not even from earth stated by Hagoromo so she was the first Otsutsuki and all after her had chakra meaning the chakra Hagoromo gave out was to people who did not have chakra or was not of otosutsuki decent because Hamura and Hagoromo family line was born with chakra and even after a 1000 years of chakra being broken down Senju uchiha have the strongest chakra the closes descendants to the otosutsuki meaning they indeed have chakra well above your standard ninja.

That is my point its not a tech he gained from the bijuu chakra but he used bijuu chakra to create the indra arrow. If he couldve done it himself he wouldnt have absorbed the chakra to perform it. And are u saying sasuke has all that chakra he combined into one from vote2 now as an adult? Indras arrow is made by combinning the chakra of all 8.5 tail beasts into one. If u still disagree then explain why his susanoo was using a sword and not a chakra longbow?

He only needed the bijuu chakra to match Naruto strongest attack which would have killed him if he did not have the bijuu chakra to boost his attack it has nothing to do with bijuu chakra itself. yes i am stop acting like raw bijuu chakra is so great when its not hell there are serveral ninja who have bijuu level chakra shit not special and he has a susanoo arrow because it was more suitable for his situation that simple.

 

[TheSages456]

Though Adult Sasuke has far more experience with his Rinnegan, and can probably intake far more chakra per second than his teenage incarnation.

Not sure how this even makes sense nor does it have anything to do with what i said. More rinnegan experience in no way implies that adult sasuke can intake more chakra in less time. VOTE sasuke had already mastered that specific aspect of his rinnegan.

Except Naruto had to use BDFRS to counter those rocks, which carries the properties of three abilities, Bijuudama, FRS and Goudama, seeing as his Goudama are no longer present afterward. Indra's arrow either gets greatly diminished in speed, or simply doesn't make it through the CT, Adult Sasuke should be capable of replicating Madara's feats here, even if it isn't the same number, it's not running through multiple +Mountain ranged rocks like butter. Even if it could, Sasuke still can repel it with CST, or fly upward, even absorb and weaken it before it even makes contact if the other options aren't feasible, which they are.
You misread, this is simply to FURTHER buffer or soak the damage up.

And naruto needed the worlds natural energy+his biggest dual bijudama frs to counter indras arrow. That means that literally nothing else that he couldve done wouldve saved him from being vaporized. Whats so hard to understand?

CTs rock isnt saving sasuke if naruto needed that much power to counter. The mere thought is ridiculous. None of the ideas you are suggesting are feasible. Flying a little up, left or right isnt saving him. Preta path isnt possible with susano out and thats assuming that a technique on the level of indras arrow can even be absorbed.

Im going to need to see feats of adult sasukes shinra tensei which supposedly let him deflect indras arrow. I dont want to hear nonsense like "Its only logical that he can do it".

The only possible outcome is indras arrow vaporizing adult sasuke.

I'm pretty sure I've heard quite a lot it was just from around the proximity of VoTE2, not the planet.

And im pretty sure in the original Japanese trans kurama said "I've collected everything on the surface".

My point stands either way.

 

[KidGamer65]

People arguing for Adult Sasuke's victory using feats need to stop. :lol

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Vote 2 wins this mid diff

 

[Kagustuchi]

Sasuke can't make up the diffrence of 9 Bijuu.

 

[DHOH]

People arguing for Adult Sasuke's victory using feats need to stop. :lol

Lol why? Oh yea he's been sitting in the Hokage office for 15 years getting rusty, and Naruto has been on a endless mission fighting descendants of Kaguy's, showing nothing but major growth in the process.. Oh wait..

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol why? Oh yea he's been sitting in the Hokage office for 15 years getting rusty, and Naruto has been on a endless mission fighting descendants of Kaguy's, showing nothing but major growth in the process.. Oh wait..

If only any of that mattered. You clowns love to jump to the rusty excuse even though Naruto's BATTLE SENSE being rusty has jack to do with his strength.

What's funny is that you are trying to bring Naruto into this when he has literally nothing to do with the thread. :lol Like I said, stop arguing for Adult Sasuke using feats. You sound and look ridiculous because there is no feats based argument that leads to Adult Sasuke beating VoTE 2 Sasuke. All arguments that have been made either:

-Wank the Rinnegan.
-Exaggerate on the difference in firepower between Adult and Kid Sasuke.
-Giving no limits to Sasuke's abilities.

Smh. Just stop.

 

[Unorthodox]

People arguing for Adult Sasuke's victory using feats need to stop. :lol

Why though?

Sasuke can't make up the diffrence of 9 Bijuu.

that is made up easily

-Wank the Rinnegan.
-Exaggerate on the difference in firepower between Adult and Kid Sasuke.
-Giving no limits to Sasuke's abilities.
Smh. Just stop.

Who's wanking rinnegan? No one is exaggerating shit what no limits was given to Sasuke?

 

[KidGamer65]

Why though?



that is made up easily



Who's wanking rinnegan? No one is exaggerating shit what no limits was given to Sasuke?

Lol you are easily the worst offender of the "exaggerate Sasuke's growth to prove my point" shtick. No feats based argument leads to Sasuke's victory as by feats, he will never produce something on the level of Indra's Arrow. Period.

 

[Unorthodox]

Lol you are easily the worst offender of the "exaggerate Sasuke's growth to prove my point" shtick. No feats based argument leads to Sasuke's victory as by feats, he will never produce something on the level of Indra's Arrow. Period.

Are we using the feats argument?

what feats put hamura above Basic rinnegan sasuke what feats put Hagoromo above VOTE2 Sasuke the feat argument is weak Adult Sasuke would wreck Indra's arrow easy this fight goes like this VOTE2 Sasuke gets his ass thrown into a different dimension even if we restrict that

Adult Sasuke would wreck him going toe to toe aswell