Adult Sasuke vs VOTE II Sasuke

[Uchiha Marshmallow]

Adult Sasuke should theoretically counter everything Bijuu Sasuke has. And have headroom to possibly take down the Susanoo. But by feats (no hypothetical Rinnengan mastery), Bijuu Sasuke lolstomps.

 

[EZQ]

2 years after the series ended, Sasuke's Chidori grew from

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level, to a level where it could bust Hokage Mountain Sized Rocks, hell, it vaporized that rock. Again, that was only 2 years, imagine how powerful Sasuke would be after 15 years. Bijuu Chakra or no Bijuu Chakra, Adult Sasuke beats him. This is one of those match ups where looking at strictly feats makes no sense because:

1. Adult Sasuke has no feats.

2. Had The Last not come out and had Sasuke not shown his power, people would be saying that he's basically equal with his VoTE self (Minus Bijuu) even though he clearly isn't.

It'd be ridiculous to think that Adult Sasuke would lose to himself from 15 years ago anyway. But hey, whatever floats you people's boats.

No matter how strong sasuke is now, he can't match his VOTE form without the bijuus. Or are you implying sasuke's progress > 9 bijuus?

VOTE Sasuke's sheer power is absolutely destructive, Current sasuke's susano is no match for juubi susano.

Think about it, Sasuke might have improved his techs, but during this time of peace he spent his time investigating about kaguya, and he lost battle experience as we saw him get fodderized by a danzo replica guy, sure his chidori got stronger, he must have learned how to make a super chidori, but there's no reason to think his susano improved on that scale too (from PS to Juubi PS).

OT: Vote sasuke with the bijuus has too much destructive power, he busts away sasuke's susano easely.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

No matter how strong sasuke is now, he can't match his VOTE form without the bijuus. Or are you implying sasuke's progress > 9 bijuus?

VOTE Sasuke's sheer power is absolutely destructive, Current sasuke's susano is no match for juubi susano.

Think about it, Sasuke might have improved his techs, but during this time of peace he spent his time investigating about kaguya, and he lost battle experience as we saw him get fodderized by a danzo replica guy, sure his chidori got stronger, he must have learned how to make a super chidori, but there's no reason to think his susano improved on that scale too (from PS to Juubi PS).

OT: Vote sasuke with the bijuus has too much destructive power, he busts away sasuke's susano easely.

I applaud you for wasting your time, given the events of last chapter, and the fact that this was made long before yesterday. Though I'm not sure where this "got fodderized" BS you are stating came from. Sasuke shitstomped Shin and his son, and only got hit because he protected his daughter.

 

[Narutp1sasuke2 LetsGo]

Vote 2 sasuke

 

[Eng nawashi]

Vote 2 sasuke would literally stomps Adult sasuke
Vote sasuke's Susano is boosted with 9 bijus chakra whereas current sasuke's isnt
Inb4: but sasuke trained his chakra to the level that his regular PS became stronger than his Biju PS
that is BS and retarded , shin reacted physecally to sasuke'striking speed with ease and caught his sowrd in the mid of sasuke's strike ,meaning sasuke's physical states got much weaker ,and there is no way that would happen if his chakra got stronger
Current sasuke at best is as strong as kaguya fight sasuke

 

[Omar19992010]

Vote 2 sasuke would literally stomps Adult sasuke
Vote sasuke's Susano is boosted with 9 bijus chakra whereas current sasuke's isnt
Inb4: but sasuke trained his chakra to the level that his regular PS became stronger than his Biju PS
that is BS and retarded , shin reacted physecally to sasuke'striking speed with ease and caught his sowrd in the mid of sasuke's strike ,meaning sasuke's physical states got much weaker ,and there is no way that would happen if his chakra got stronger
Current sasuke at best is as strong as kaguya fight sasuke

He's obviously much stronger than Kaguya fight Sasuke due to the fact he's learned to use the abilities of the Rinnegan in the time skip between Part II and The Last.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Gonna give this too VOTE 2 Sasuke. I don't see how he would have been able to make up the difference of Chakra from all 9 Bijuu when he/Naruto stopped training sometime after The Last

 

[Eng nawashi]

He's obviously much stronger than Kaguya fight Sasuke due to the fact he's learned to use the abilities of the Rinnegan in the time skip between Part II and The Last.

First off i meant war arc rinningan sasuke w/o the biju by saying kaguya fight sasuke,learning 1 or 2 more rinningan abilities is not gonna make him any stronger ,let alone much stronger, specially that he already used the most 2 useful rinningan jutsus,deva and preta, when he was still teenager ,then there is the fact that he got physically much weaker and slower .

 

[EZQ]

I applaud you for wasting your time, given the events of last chapter, and the fact that this was made long before yesterday. Though I'm not sure where this "got fodderized" BS you are stating came from. Sasuke shitstomped Shin and his son, and only got hit because he protected his daughter.

I used the word fodderized to emphatize the fact that sasuke forgot how to fight properly. In his old days he would have saved sarada without getting stabbed.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

vote 2 was his prime

 

[V h o]

Adult sasuke lacks feats, all we have is a fireball jutsu and amno(S/T), and we don't know if 15 year old feats still apply to this adult sasuke.

 

[Omar19992010]

Adult sasuke lacks feats, all we have is a fireball jutsu and amno(S/T), and we don't know if 15 year old feats still apply to this adult sasuke.

Both him and Naruto got rusty so we can assume he's weaker.

 

[V h o]

Both him and Naruto got rusty so we can assume he's weaker.

Possibly but there is still the issue of having a near featless character go against someone with a plethora of feats.

 

[Tartarus]

RSM doesn't come about by having Bijuu Chakra, so it doesn't matter. If you don't have Hagoromo's Chakra, you can't use Six Path's Sage Mode. I don't know who told you that it came about from having all the Bijuu, but it doesn't.

I don't know about you, but that's clearly not the Juubi. Those are the 9 Bijuu. Having the 9 Bijuu inside of you is not the same thing as having the bijuu inside of you as the Juubi is the merged form of the 9 Bijuu.

I disagree, I don't think think Kishi would have gone through the trouble of getting all 9 biju sealed into Naruto if it didn't factor into him getting RSM. Abilities like Gudodama are only available to those who have the chakra from all of the tailed beasts. The Sage's chakra won't just randomly give you new alien powers, they simply strengthen or evolve what you already have.

At the same time, Sasuke was given senjutsu by Hashirama and Senju cells from Kabuto, which is what will evolve Sasuke's eyes to rinnegan. His eyes went a step further, Sasuke's rinnegan evolved to a 6-tomoe form which was probably caused by Hagoromo's chakra accelerating its growth. If it worked the way you claim it does, Sasuke would have gotten some of Naruto's abilities like sensing Limbo, which he didn't.
Also Hashirama will always be an Ashura avatar, chakra becomes innate in a character's soul. Obito could still use his Godu staff even after having the Jubi extracted by only taking a little bit of biju chakra from Madara. Even after that, his Rikoudo chakra was still in his soul when he fused with Kakashi.

Ot: Also, why is everyone assuming Sasuke lost his Biju Susanoo?

 

[ARGUS]

I disagree, I don't think think Kishi would have gone through the trouble of getting all 9 biju sealed into Naruto if it didn't factor into him getting RSM.

The bijuu chakra from naruto was already used up during his battle at VOTE, yet naruto was still in RSM,
this debunks your assumption here

Abilities like Gudodama are only available to those who have the chakra from all of the tailed beasts. The Sage's chakra won't just randomly give you new alien powers, they simply strengthen or evolve what you already have.

No, the only reason why you assume that is because once you become the juubi jin, you automatically get the ten tails coffin seal granting you Six Paths senjutsu,

databook has already established that you require six paths senjutsu to gain TSB, NOT bijuu chakra

At the same time, Sasuke was given senjutsu by Hashirama and Senju cells from Kabuto, which is what will evolve Sasuke's eyes to rinnegan. His eyes went a step further, Sasuke's rinnegan evolved to a 6-tomoe form which was probably caused by Hagoromo's chakra accelerating its growth. If it worked the way you claim it does, Sasuke would have gotten some of Naruto's abilities like sensing Limbo, which he didn't.

Uhh incorrect,
sasuke didnt gain rinnegan from the minisucle amount of hashiramas chakra within a second when it took madara decades to awaken the rinnegan by even cultivating hashis cells,

sasuke gained the rinnegan because he recieved all of rikudos Yin chakra,
the tomoes dont signify anything apart from possibly blending his sharingan with the rinnegan

Also Hashirama will always be an Ashura avatar,

@bold - i have no clue what you mean by this

chakra becomes innate in a character's soul. Obito could still use his Godu staff even after having the Jubi extracted by only taking a little bit of biju chakra from Madara. Even after that, his Rikoudo chakra was still in his soul when he fused with Kakashi.

Thats because even when he had the juubi taken out, he had the rikudo chakra and some six path senjutsu left over,
getting bijuu chakra was not what enabled obito to get the rikudo chakra or the senjutsu that was already developed in his body

Ot: Also, why is everyone assuming Sasuke lost his Biju Susanoo?

Because the whole reason he manifested his BPS was due to infusing the bijuu chakra within his susanoo
no bijuus = no BPS

 

[Tartarus]

The bijuu chakra from naruto was already used up during his battle at VOTE, yet naruto was still in RSM,
this debunks your assumption here

No he didn't.

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No, the only reason why you assume that is because once you become the juubi jin, you automatically get the ten tails coffin seal granting you Six Paths senjutsu,

databook has already established that you require six paths senjutsu to gain TSB, NOT bijuu chakra

The Coffin Seal is only for sealing the Jubi. It has nothing to do with gaining Rikudou chakra. Obito uses Gudodama since he's a Jubi Jin, he never got any chakra from Hagoromo.

Uhh incorrect,
sasuke didnt gain rinnegan from the minisucle amount of hashiramas chakra within a second when it took madara decades to awaken the rinnegan by even cultivating hashis cells,
sasuke gained the rinnegan because he recieved all of rikudos Yin chakra,
the tomoes dont signify anything apart from possibly blending his sharingan with the rinnegan

Except you don't know what the final trigger was to evolve the EMS into Rinnegan, so that objection is baseless. Perhaps being blind in one eye slowed it down, or you a need some sort of near death state, we were never told. What we do know is that fusing Hashi's dna with an EMS Uchiha are the catalysts to evolve it Rinnegan.

Thats because even when he had the juubi taken out, he had the rikudo chakra and some six path senjutsu left over,
getting bijuu chakra was not what enabled obito to get the rikudo chakra or the senjutsu that was already developed in his body

Six paths Senjutsu that he got from the Ten-tails...

Because the whole reason he manifested his BPS was due to infusing the bijuu chakra within his susanoo
no bijuus = no BPS

And why wouldn't the biju chakra still be infused in his Susanoo?

 

[KidGamer65]

I disagree, I don't think think Kishi would have gone through the trouble of getting all 9 biju sealed into Naruto if it didn't factor into him getting RSM. Abilities like Gudodama are only available to those who have the chakra from all of the tailed beasts. The Sage's chakra won't just randomly give you new alien powers, they simply strengthen or evolve what you already have.

It gave him a boost. That was the main point. Ashura, Toneri and Hamura, along with Obito after sealing Madara's Rikudo Chakra have all manifested a Gudo Dama. Hagoromo retained his Gudo Dama after unsealing the Juubi and splitting it into the 9 Bijuu, so there's absolutely no way Gudo Dama are caused by the Bijuu chakra. Never once stated in the Manga so I'm not sure why people think it's a fact.

When you awaken the Six Paths Senjutsu, you get Gudo Dama. One way to awaken it is to get the power of all 9 Bijuu, the Juubi. The other way is to get the Six Paths Senjutsu straight from Hagoromo.

At the same time, Sasuke was given senjutsu by Hashirama and Senju cells from Kabuto, which is what will evolve Sasuke's eyes to rinnegan. His eyes went a step further, Sasuke's rinnegan evolved to a 6-tomoe form which was probably caused by Hagoromo's chakra accelerating its growth. If it worked the way you claim it does, Sasuke would have gotten some of Naruto's abilities like sensing Limbo, which he didn't.

There is zero proof for most of this.

1. Hashirama gave him his remaining chakra. Never once said he gave him Senjutsu Chakra.

2. Senju cells from Hashirama doesn't matter since Ashura already passed on from Hashirama to Naruto.

3. Databook and Manga state that Sasuke received his Rinnegan from the Sage of the Six Paths. He didn't awaken it. Manga makes that so clear that it isn't even funny. He can't even deactivate it.

If he awakened his Rinnegan the same way Madara did, it would've awakened in both eyes. Not one eye. Nor would it have tomoe. Nothing but assumptions here.

The last point doesn't make sense since Sasuke didn't get Six Paths Senjutsu. He got the Rinnegan.

Also Hashirama will always be an Ashura avatar,

Uh..no, he won't. Ashura goes from one to another. The only way to retain his chakra is to do what Madara did and fuse it together to make Hagoromo's chakra.

chakra becomes innate in a character's soul.

That literally doesn't prove anything you are saying.

Obito could still use his Godu staff even after having the Jubi extracted by only taking a little bit of biju chakra from Madara.

Read that again. He took the Bijuu chakra and gave it to Naruto. He also absorbed separate chakra from Madara which let him use the Gudo Staff. More proof that Bijuu Chakra has nothing to do with the Gudo Dama.

Even after that, his Rikoudo chakra was still in his soul when he fused with Kakashi.

No reason why it wouldn't be. He didn't lose it before then. Did Ashura not pass on to Naruto? Yes, he did. So it's not even the same thing.

Ot: Also, why is everyone assuming Sasuke lost his Biju Susanoo?

He took the Bijuu chakra into his Susanoo, which was obliterated. Chakra goes along with it. He didn't absorb it into his own body.

The bijuu chakra from naruto was already used up during his battle at VOTE, yet naruto was still in RSM,
this debunks your assumption here

Bruh.......

Possibly but there is still the issue of having a near featless character go against someone with a plethora of feats.

Same character. Same feats. Lmao.

 

[Tartarus]

It gave him a boost. That was the main point. Ashura, Toneri and Hamura, along with Obito after sealing Madara's Rikudo Chakra have all manifested a Gudo Dama. Hagoromo retained his Gudo Dama after unsealing the Juubi and splitting it into the 9 Bijuu, so there's absolutely no way Gudo Dama are caused by the Bijuu chakra. Never once stated in the Manga so I'm not sure why people think it's a fact.
When you awaken the Six Paths Senjutsu, you get Gudo Dama. One way to awaken it is to get the power of all 9 Bijuu, the Juubi. The other way is to get the Six Paths Senjutsu straight from Hagoromo.

Yes, and that's what I was saying. Naruto gained the Six Paths senjutsu already from having chakra from all 9 Biju sealed in him like Obito and Madara. Hagoromo simply made it stronger with his own direct chakra. Hagoromo's mom is basically the Juubi, and he's physically not a normal human. He already has the source of the Biju's chakra in his body from birth.

2. Senju cells from Hashirama doesn't matter since Ashura already passed on from Hashirama to Naruto.

As I had already pointed out with Obito, soul's retain chakra even from "foreign" sources, so I don't see why Hashirama would lose Asura's chakra. His Edo Tensei is just his soul/chakra forced into another body. On top of that, Kabuto had access to Madara's body as well, which is also fused with Hashi's dna and chakra. It's far more likely that he has the chakra than he doesn't.

3. Databook and Manga state that Sasuke received his Rinnegan from the Sage of the Six Paths. He didn't awaken it. Manga makes that so clear that it isn't even funny. He can't even deactivate it.

If he awakened his Rinnegan the same way Madara did, it would've awakened in both eyes. Not one eye. Nor would it have tomoe. Nothing but assumptions here.

Sasuke did deactivate Rinnegan in The Last. All things considered, you are probably right about about Sasuke even though most stuff about his Rinnegan is really inconsistent in terms of the story. The real reason I think Sasuke has only 1 tomoe Rinnegan was for aesthetic reasons, not anything plot related, but that's my gripe with Kishi and not your post.

Uh..no, he won't. Ashura goes from one to another. The only way to retain his chakra is to do what Madara did and fuse it together to make Hagoromo's chakra.

There's nothing stating that you'll loose the transmigrant chakra that you're born with to my knowledge.

 

[V h o]

Same character. Same feats. Lmao.

Feats 15 years old aren't even valid. Almost like comparing Hiruzen old to young. I can see a few years (2 or so) but this is a decade, it's literally like comparing kid sasuke to part 2 sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes, and that's what I was saying. Naruto gained the Six Paths senjutsu already from having chakra from all 9 Biju sealed in him like Obito and Madara. Hagoromo simply made it stronger with his own direct chakra. Hagoromo's mom is basically the Juubi, and he's physically not a normal human. He already has the source of the Biju's chakra in his body from birth.

You gain the Six Paths Senjutsu from the Juubi. The Juubi and the 9 Bijuu separate are different entities altogether. The only time the 9 Bijuu are the same as the Juubi is when their chakra is fused together. Six Paths Senjutsu was given to him by Hagoromo. Also stated by the Databook. "Rikudo Sennin Mode is a gift from the Ancestory of Shinobi". What you are saying is an assumption. DB and Manga have stated otherwise regardless.

Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo), Sage Justu / Ninjutsu used by Naruto. Most of this page is too blurry to read, so I can only translate some of it.

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosphical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Top caption says that the caster has an unconcious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

Says nothing about the Bijuu. The getting the Juubi is the same as getting Rikudo Sennin's power, which is why you also get the Gudo Dama. Also stated by the DB.

She became the Juubi after fusing with the Shinju. She had Hagoromo and Hamura before fusing with the Shinju. So no, not the same thing.

As I had already pointed out with Obito, soul's retain chakra even from "foreign" sources, so I don't see why Hashirama would lose Asura's chakra. His Edo Tensei is just his soul/chakra forced into another body. On top of that, Kabuto had access to Madara's body as well, which is also fused with Hashi's dna and chakra. It's far more likely that he has the chakra than he doesn't.

It's transmigration. Don't compare what Obito did to transmigration. He gets to keep his chakra because nothing ever stated that his stolen Rikudo chakra would transmigrate or reincarnate into another person. Kabuto has nothing to do with this. Having Madara's body doesn't mean that he was able to extract Indra and Ashura's chakra from it somehow.

Sasuke did deactivate Rinnegan in The Last. All things considered, you are probably right about about Sasuke even though most stuff about his Rinnegan is really inconsistent in terms of the story. The real reason I think Sasuke has only 1 tomoe Rinnegan was for aesthetic reasons, not anything plot related, but that's my gripe with Kishi and not your post.

That scene in The Last was animated by Studio Pierrot, not Kishi. Kishi drew a page called "The Rest" and it takes place during the same time period as The Last, and Sasuke's Rinnegan was active, even while resting. Then there's all the times in the Manga he had to close his eye instead of deactivating it.

There's nothing stating that you'll loose the transmigrant chakra that you're born with to my knowledge.

That's how transmigration/reincarnation works. In reincarnation, the soul leaves the body after death, and then becomes a new person. Same concept except Indra and Ashura's chakra is what is passed down, not their souls.

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"Who are they possessing now?"

It means that they don't "possess" every reincarnate that they've ever had at the same time. Hagoromo states that Ashura reincarnated into Naruto. He couldn't have reincarnated into Naruto if he was still Hashirama.