Adult Sasuke VS Hashirama

[Magnolius]

Sasuke, high dif.

 

[KidGamer65]

"He took no damage except for the damage he took." :lol

Addressed.

The same excuse can be applied to Kaguya.

Sasuke-"I'll be the distraction".

No, not really. Though I've already addressed all this horseshit so I'll just take this as you not having anything else to add to the discussion. Concession accepted.

And lol @ the last sentence. Quit making shitty excuses when he attacked her beforehand with Susanoo with the intent to kill not the intent to distract.

All irrelevant. Bringing up Cs2 is irrelevant since the seal only replaces the chakra proportionate to the amount that it saps from Sasuke. His entire reserve isn't senjutsu when he uses the curse seal.
Not wasting my time when none of what you are saying constitutes as evidence. All of this has been addressed and countered. Concession accepted.

An irrelevant point to bring up since the more chakra being used, the more it affects the user's body. Sasuke pulled out enough chakra to enter CS2 at VoTE against Naruto and it ended up powering up his Chidori. Sasuke does the same in Part 2 yet his Chidori never changes color. The rest is a petty cop out since you know for a fact you can't address anything being stated here with logical argumentation.

-Sasuke attacked Madara with Chidori, meaning he was trying to hurt him.
-Sasuke attacked Kaguya with Susanoo, meaning he was trying to hurt her.

Do the math pal.

The Rasengan didn't even rip open Obito's back upon impact. Still not seeing the evidence the Enton Rasenshuriken and Rasengan were applied for the same amount of time. They weren't even used in the same fashion.

That's what happened with Enton Rasenshuriken, so yes that is the only conclusion.

Already addressed. If all you can do is repeat the same idiotic argument and grasp at the same straws then I'll just pretend that you are conceding here.

-Both Rasengan are slammed into Obito, one into his back and once into his chest.
-Both Rasengan send Obito flying away from the point of origin.
-The Enton RS sends Obito flying away with it, meaning it was applied longer.

Fact. Minato already stated what and what doesn't affect Madara's body. Your opinion is irrelevant.

-Minato has stated that Ninjutsu isn't effective on his body.
-Sasuke and Minato were surprised when Obito's body got damaged. A point you seem to love dancing around since you've yet to actually address it head on since the beginning of this argument.

No, the ninjutsu vs jinchuriki scenario would play out the same way as it already did in the manga. The Rasengan hits and its negated before anything of significance is done.

-Sasuke disagrees.
-Tobirama disagrees.
-Minato disagrees.
-Kishimoto disagrees.
-Anyone who can read the Manga correctly disagrees.

Nothing more to say here, especially since you are stupid enough to argue that Ninjutsu gets negated after the damage has already been done. :lol "It's negated before anything of significance is done" doesn't make a shred of sense when Obito's Gudo Dama didn't protect him because they were too slow to protect him due to them using Hiraishin. It being Senjutsu doesn't magically stop his Gudo Dama from acting so how in the hell are you going to sit here and argue that the Gudo Dama would've swooped in and stopped the Rasengan had it not been Senjutsu? :lol Anybody who can read would be able to tell you how moronic this argument is. The only reason you are making this idiotic below sub par argument is because Enton was negated after it was hit, but the obvious fact you love to ignore is that ENTON EXISTS LONG AFTER IMPACT AS IT IS FIRE. Rasengan doesn't exist long after impact. It hits, blows up and that's the end. How the hell do you negate Ninjutsu when the Ninjutsu is no longer there? :lol.

Man. Jesus Christ. Use common sense.

Sasuke never sat there clueless.

He had no idea what Kabuto was doing. Fact.

Your stance asserts that someone can be given sensing ability from a finite Sage chakra handout. :lol

We have the master Sage sensor Rock Lee example that your logic would advocate for.

The Jugo example shuts this down. Simply possessing Sage chakra gives nobody sensing ability and this is the last time that this will be explained to you.

Those trained in the art of senjutsu can sense the flow of natural energy in their base form(Sasuke falls under this category due to the cursed seal). You don't need senjutsu to sense natural energy.

The sensing ability and the ability to feel Nature Energy have nothing to do with each other. Sage Mode grants chakra sensing. That's it. The Jugo example is irrelevant because chakra sensing and nature energy sensing aren't the same thing, and the last sentence is probably the dumbest thing I'll read today. Sasuke using Senjutsu from the Curse Mark doesn't make him trained in the art of Senjutsu. :lol What the hell? If he can't sit and gather Nature Energy like Naruto can then he's not trained in the art of Senjutsu. End of story.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Lmfao what the hell are you even saying? Many different things added together changing the entire signature doesn't equate to one thing changing it and there's practically no example in any kind of outlet whether fiction or non fiction that'd prove your foolish point. Enough pollution can change the color of a body of water, but it doesn't mean if I go dump trash in a lake that it will make a slight change in color. :lol

All sensors have recognized the chakras of people who have gained another type of power. Thus the signature is the same. End of story. Making up bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse isn't helping you here.

A slight change that the chakra is still recognisable and so is the difference ,smartass .Karin stated that Curse mark chakra is darker .that is a a slight change in my book.
Your lake exampe isn't accurate since senjutsu chakra is the majority of the strange chakra that kabuto gained .

I didn't ignore it kiddo. I simply forgot to respond. TheSages said the same BS anyway and I already addressed it. Chakra sensing has jack shit to do with being able to feel nature energy.

Yes sensing regular chakra =/= sensing NE .but SM grants you both .you claim (without a single proof) that having senjutsu chakra would grant you the same ability of sensing NE of SM whereas it is a fact that having senjutsu chakra doesn't grant you SM's all abilities .meaning you need a manga scan to prove that having Senjutsu chakra grants you a particular ability of SM(sensing NE in your case).

No, it's not. Naruto needed SM to sense a mass of NE. That's evidence. You saying that Sasuke being familiar with NE means he can sense it makes zero sense when familiarity becomes irrelevant when you can't feel the thing in question. :lol

Sasuke being familiar with senjutsu means that there is a possibility that he knows how it feels .assumption but so is yours .

Because it's not in the atmosphere, it's inside the body of a giant monster

. Same exact thing Naruto did except for the fact that he's not a giant monster.

Assumption again .
It isn't the exact thing .the chakra inside Jiubi is NE .the chakra inside Naruto is senjutsu .

And Madara has Limbo while Sasuke doesn't. Guess their eyes are different too. :lol Same eye, different abilities. Not debatable.

Whatever.

At your other post that responds to mine .

Stop .
- ignores a clear scan shows obito healing after getting hit with an njutsu attack
-claims that I ignore clear evidence .
Do you think that I would take your analysis for sasuke and tobirama's feelings over a manga scan :lol!?
Let's assume that JJ body is immune to in ninjutsu .then what ? I can easily argue that sasuke used the senjutsu chakra of the seal before attacking kaguya and madara since he still had it at that time .

If you don't want to reply again then you are doing me a favor by saving my remaining brain cells .

 

[Eng nawashi]

That's just from the impact of the technique, it didn't actually do any damage on its own. Care to explain why only that part of Obito was smoking, even though he was completely engulfed in flames? He could've stood their all day and Amaterasu would have still done nothing.

Then there's Tobirama saying that even if it hits him it doesn't work [

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, while the ERS did nothing of the sort.



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What did the impact is merely the chakra .he should have received no damage if he was totally immune to ninjutsu .
Why it didn't dig like SM Rasingan?
The digging force of RS is simply the rasengan in the middle .with that being said ,it didnt dig as deep as SM Rasengan later because:
-there was no one digging .he was merely pushed by that attack while SM Naruto has been digging for a while before pushing obito.
-SM rasengan is stronger than Regular Rasengan(Rs 's core ) and even if it is enhanced by some futton ,SM rasengan is still probably stronger .

Lmao, best counters ever. You literally have zero explanation on Tobirama's and Sasuke's statements

I would agree with the statements analysis if there was no scan shows him getting damaged by ninjutsu .

Let's assume that JJ body is totally immune to ninjutsu .I can easily argue that he used the seal chakra before attacking them .

 

[TheSages456]

Addressed.

Addressed, not countered.
Unfortunately, you still haven't put forth any valid argument against Obito's body smoking from being hit with ninjutsu.

The most you said was "It's just a little bit of smoke". :lol

No, not really. Though I've already addressed all this horseshit so I'll just take this as you not having anything else to add to the discussion. Concession accepted.

And lol @ the last sentence. Quit making shitty excuses when he attacked her beforehand with Susanoo with the intent to kill not the intent to distract.

The reason for this constant disparity is because you're still arguing as if a Jin's body is immune to ninjutsu even though Obito had to heal from being hit with ninjutsu. :lol

There's literally no counterargument for this.

An irrelevant point to bring up since the more chakra being used, the more it affects the user's body. Sasuke pulled out enough chakra to enter CS2 at VoTE against Naruto and it ended up powering up his Chidori. Sasuke does the same in Part 2 yet his Chidori never changes color. The rest is a petty cop out since you know for a fact you can't address anything being stated here with logical argumentation.

-Sasuke attacked Madara with Chidori, meaning he was trying to hurt him.
-Sasuke attacked Kaguya with Susanoo, meaning he was trying to hurt her.

Do the math pal.

He replaced enough of his own chakra to enter Cs2. Nothing more. His entire reserve still isn't senjutsu. His Chidori at VOTE was white, but turned black when he added in the senjutsu that the curse seal gave him.

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So no, his senjutsu Chidori didn't magically turn white later on in the series. Don't claim that I'm grasping at straws. You don't have any points here and you haven't brought up a single valid point this whole debate.

Stop repeating the bold like a broken record. That isn't tangible evidence, just the result of your interpretation formed from an infinitely layered pile of erroneously interpreted panel.
Senjutsu Chidori is black, which means that your viewpoint on what can affect the body of a Ten Tails jinchuriki is wrong. It's that simple.
The 50 posts of denial on your end is comical considering that the panel leads to a very simple & obvious conclusion.

Already addressed. If all you can do is repeat the same idiotic argument and grasp at the same straws then I'll just pretend that you are conceding here.

-Both Rasengan are slammed into Obito, one into his back and once into his chest.
-Both Rasengan send Obito flying away from the point of origin.
-The Enton RS sends Obito flying away with it, meaning it was applied longer.

Fact. Minato already stated what and what doesn't affect Madara's body. Your opinion is irrelevant.

-Minato has stated that Ninjutsu isn't effective on his body.
-Sasuke and Minato were surprised when Obito's body got damaged. A point you seem to love dancing around since you've yet to actually address it head on since the beginning of this argument.

You have to learn that addressing something isn't the same as countering it.
You see a panel which shows Obito's body smoking, which means that the Enton burned through his skin, yet still claim that your interpretation is the valid one.

Senjutsu Rasengan>normal Rasengan in power, so your comparison is irrelevant.

Not really sure why nobody said anything if Obito was apparently being hit with a normal Rasengan and it was doing nothing, especially the people that were hitting him with it. :lol

By your logic, Minato would be more durable than Obito due to him "tanking" Rasengan which put a hole in Obito's back.

-Sasuke disagrees.
-Tobirama disagrees.
-Minato disagrees.
-Kishimoto disagrees.
-Anyone who can read the Manga correctly disagrees.

Nothing more to say here, especially since you are stupid enough to argue that Ninjutsu gets negated after the damage has already been done. :lol "It's negated before anything of significance is done" doesn't make a shred of sense when Obito's Gudo Dama didn't protect him because they were too slow to protect him due to them using Hiraishin. It being Senjutsu doesn't magically stop his Gudo Dama from acting so how in the hell are you going to sit here and argue that the Gudo Dama would've swooped in and stopped the Rasengan had it not been Senjutsu? :lol Anybody who can read would be able to tell you how moronic this argument is. The only reason you are making this idiotic below sub par argument is because Enton was negated after it was hit, but the obvious fact you love to ignore is that ENTON EXISTS LONG AFTER IMPACT AS IT IS FIRE. Rasengan doesn't exist long after impact. It hits, blows up and that's the end. How the hell do you negate Ninjutsu when the Ninjutsu is no longer there? :lol.

Man. Jesus Christ. Use common sense.

"After the damage is already done."

No, the ninjutsu is negated before anything of significance is done.
mina: we cannot be touched by those black spheres made of transformed chakra… and even if we hit him, our attacks don’t work…\\ he is fast both in attack and defence…\\

Minato literally stated that their attacks don't work then links it to Obito's fast defense.

Ninjutsu Rasengan gets negated before it even has the chance to dig into Obito's back.

He had no idea what Kabuto was doing. Fact.

He didn't know that Kabuto was going into Sage Mode. Not really seeing your point here, but I'm pretty sure that your argumentation here is what would be called "grasping at straws". :lol

The sensing ability and the ability to feel Nature Energy have nothing to do with each other. Sage Mode grants chakra sensing. That's it. The Jugo example is irrelevant because chakra sensing and nature energy sensing aren't the same thing, and the last sentence is probably the dumbest thing I'll read today. Sasuke using Senjutsu from the Curse Mark doesn't make him trained in the art of Senjutsu. :lol What the hell? If he can't sit and gather Nature Energy like Naruto can then he's not trained in the art of Senjutsu. End of story.

The manga states that being able to sense the flow of nature energy is a prerequisite to taking it in. Sasuke can do the former, but not the latter. Very simple. He doesn't need to be able to take in natural energy.

This is a waste of time for me now. I didn't think that I would be met with this much denial, so I'm ending this here.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh look, more shitty logic and pathetic denial of multiple character statements. :lol I think it's time to add two more retards to my ignore list.

 

[Eng nawashi]

He replaced enough of his own chakra to enter Cs2. Nothing more. His entire reserve still isn't senjutsu. His Chidori at VOTE was white, but turned black when he added in the senjutsu that the curse seal gave him.

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So no, his senjutsu Chidori didn't magically turn white later on in the series. Don't claim that I'm grasping at straws. You don't have any points here and you haven't brought up a single valid point this l this here.

This ends any argument .there is nothing called white senjutsu chidori ,good catch .

Even if we went down to his retardness level and assumed that JJ body is totally immune to ninjutsu(which is plain retarded)
According to his logic .chidori can be enhanced with senjutsu without getting black because of CM sasuke using white chidori against diedra despite manga proving that it turns black when it is fused with any kind of senjutsu chakra in more than 3 occasions.
The same guy says that sasuke used his own chakra to attack madara and kaguya since his chidori was white and the manga showed that the seal enhanced chidori is black .:lol what is the expression? Uh Double standards .
With his logic I can easily argue that has used the seal chakra before attacking madara and kaguya despite his chidori being white .

The "sensing NE " point is nothing more than BS since there is no single proof that having senjutsu chakra grants you the ability to sense NE ,pure assumption.


I'll just add two points to anyone interested in the truth .

DB states that in sasuke's profile"on meeting hagromo ,sasuke awakened the rinnegan and was given the key to seal kaguya "no mention to hagromo chakra half BS .

In shikamaru hidden written by one of kishi assistants ,supervised and announced by kishi himself in chapter 700 .it states that naruto's rikudo chakra comes from having all biju .no mention to hagromo chakra half BS .