Adult Sasuke VS Hashirama

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Yes,sasuke manifesting four times and creating 9 CT that their combined size is like 1/100 of jin Madara's single CT means he has hagoromo chakra half ,:lol a better theory would be him still having the double cloak :lol
read my post again
and Sasuke making 100 times bigger CT than a bijuu to trap it will make sense in ur opinion :lol
Read manga buddy .sakura punch is an instant realese of chakra from her fist .
So its Ninjutsu now :lol
Gentle fist use chakra too so its Ninjutsu too.Eight gates uses chakra too so its again Ninjutsu :lol
 

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Please stop .after reading this scan ,anyone with average comprehension skills would realize that senjutsu chakra changes the signature of the chakra to some extent even if little but still a change ,since oro mentioned it as one of 2 reasons why kabuto chakra felt different.meaning senjutsu chakra feels different even if a little .
Except it doesn't. :lol

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Learn how to read and cut the selective reading BS out if you want me to bother replying to you. He says the reason Karin thought it was a different person is because he absorbed many different chakras from different people, and senjutsu chakra. "AND". "AND' "A-N-D". :lol I don't want to have to define and for you. And then you want to come here talking about comprehension skills when you probably have some of the worst reading comprehension abilities I've ever seen.

And no, there's only one reason. He said the "bad feeling" is probably because some of his chakra might still be in the mix. So anyone who can read knows that taking in the DNA and chakra of over 5 people+Senjutsu chakra=new unrecognizable chakra. Getting Senjutsu chakra or one person's chakra isn't doing shit to change their chakra signature.

-Itachi's power/chakra was obtained by Sasuke when he got EMS, yet Karin can still recognize his chakra as the chakra of Sasuke Uchiha. I wonder why? :lol

-Obito and Nagato both have chakra from the Rinnegan, which is strong enough to make Obito not want to implant both. Yet their chakras are the same as they normally would be.

-Naruto merges his chakra with Kuramas to enter Bijuu Mode yet people can still tell that it's his chakra.


Sage mode makes its user sense normal chakra . can non SM users who possess senjutsu sense chakra ? No .so no getting senjutsu chakrs isnt the equivalent to SM.getting senjutsu chakra won't make you a sensor like SM user .

Uh .The sage is handling this point pretty well.
:lol If you call consistent denial of Manga fact "handling well" then I agree. But considering you love to do the same exact thing I can't be surprised.

You don't get my point .normal shinobi can feel(not sense) huge amount of chakra despite not being a sensor .sasuke isn't a normal shinobi .he has been dealing with NE and senjutsu for more than 3 years thus he is familiar with it .he knows how it feels that he can recognize massive flows of NE/Senjutsu despite not being NE sensor .in other words,Sasuke feeling Naruto gaining huge amount of chakra is something that anyone could do even nonsensors .Sasuke recognising the chakra to be NE/Senjutsu is due to him being familar with it .that is a possible explanation .nothing makes your explanation more reliable than mine .
Chakra isn't and never has been a thing that can only be picked up by sensors. Nature Energy is and always will be something that only people with Senjutsu or people who have trained to gain Sage Mode can feel. Your point is garbage so do me a favor and please drop it. Sasuke using Senjutsu before doesn't make him trained in the field of Senjutsu, so there is no reason for him to be able to feel Nature Energy in Base.

And Nature Energy isn't chakra so stop this "NE/Senjutsu" nonsense. :lol

The Juubi is a mass of Nature Energy that Naruto could only feel once he entered Sage Mode. Naruto possessed a large mass of nature energy as well and Sasuke was able to sense it. If size had anything to do with anything here, then Naruto wouldn't have needed Sage Mode to sense the Juubi.




Hashirama said he would give him a jutsu to counter his senjutsu too .
When you can show me how this means he can sense Senjutsu then we can talk, cause throwing random idiotic explanations out there while labeling my argument backed with Manga fact fanfiction isn't helping your point pal.


Different Rinnegan. But whatever.
:lol No, it's not. The only thing different about it is that it has tomoe, which are irrelevant to the Rinnegan's powers.
 

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Read manga buddy .sakura punch is an instant realese of chakra from her fist .


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so u posted the scan to prove wut :lol


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Yagai (Night Guy).
Taijutsu, close range, offensive, S-rank.
Users: Maito Guy

Like a young crimson dragon cutting through the space fabric ( kūkan) the ultimate flying-kick!

Maito Guy utilizes the taijutsu move,inherited from his father - “the 8 celestial gates”. To unravel the final dragon mystery you have to open the last ”death gate” and sacrifice your life (poetic,inst it?TN). From the red stream emission (Guy s blood and chakra. TN), in a form of a red burning chakra the great dragon rises, flying out of the ribcage, absolutely unprecedented kick that hits the opponent and beats (turns) him into nothing. It s power is off limits, overturns the knowledge of anything that taijutsu is capable off, it twists and bends the sky (sora) itself on contact, even right side of the body of the strongest ninja Madara was completely destroyed.[/
Picture: Flying above the heavens the great dragon that holds your life or death (destiny) in his claws!But, Guy easily commits his life and passes his will of fire to the next generation young leafs!
 

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You people really need to cut the bullshit when it comes to the whole Ninjutsu and Juubi Jin's body business.

-Obito gets hit.
-Kishimoto decides to show us a full panel of the damage being done.
-Obito is surprised that the attack did that to him. Hence the "?!!"
-Sasuke and Minato are surprised that it did that damage to him.
-Obito then says that he didn't expect the Jin to have a weakness like . Referring to the f*cking hole in his back.

Yet clowns really want to tell me that "Oh no, lol Ninjutsu has it's regular full effect on the Jinchuuriki". Wat? Dafuq? Don't come with that "negate Ninjutsu after the fact" idiotic nonsense that thesages is spewing up there when the surprise from it doing damage came UPON IMPACT. Surprise from Minato, Sasuke and Obito. UPON IMPACT. If they came to the conclusion that Ninjutsu wouldn't work because the Gudo Dama would negate the damage, then their surprise would come after they witness the Gudo Dama fail to do shit, not before it even has a chance.
 

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Except it doesn't. :lol

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Learn how to read and cut the selective reading BS out if you want me to bother replying to you. He says the reason Karin thought it was a different person is because he absorbed many different chakras from different people, and senjutsu chakra. "AND". "AND' "A-N-D". :lol I don't want to have to define and for you. And then you want to come here talking about comprehension skills when you probably have some of the worst reading comprehension abilities I've ever seen.

And no, there's only one reason. He said the "bad feeling" is probably because some of his chakra might still be in the mix. So anyone who can read knows that taking in the DNA and chakra of over 5 people+Senjutsu chakra=new unrecognizable chakra. Getting Senjutsu chakra or one person's chakra isn't doing shit to change their chakra signature.

-Itachi's power/chakra was obtained by Sasuke when he got EMS, yet Karin can still recognize his chakra as the chakra of Sasuke Uchiha. I wonder why? :lol

-Obito and Nagato both have chakra from the Rinnegan, which is strong enough to make Obito not want to implant both. Yet their chakras are the same as they normally would be.

-Naruto merges his chakra with Kuramas to enter Bijuu Mode yet people can still tell that it's his chakra.
I am not gonna learn you how to make a proper thought . if having chakra of many people would result in a huge change in chakra signature that a skilled sensor will feel it different.then every chakra individually would do a slight change but a skilled user would probsbly still be able to recognize the user chakra .doesn't change the fact that it did a slight change .

You need to stop using logic accordingly .
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lol If you call consistent denial of Manga fact "handling well" then I agree. But considering you love to do the same exact thing I can't be surprised.
Uh JJ body getting damaged by no njutsu/chakra but by somehow it is immune to it .
It is funny how you ignored my point on how getting senjutsu =/= SM in terms of sensing abilities .


Chakra isn't and never has been a thing that can only be picked up by sensors. Nature Energy is and always will be something that only people with Senjutsu or people who have trained to gain Sage Mode can feel. Your point is garbage so do me a favor and please drop it. Sasuke using Senjutsu before doesn't make him trained in the field of Senjutsu, so there is no reason for him to be able to feel Nature Energy in Base.

And Nature Energy isn't chakra so stop this "NE/Senjutsu" nonsense. :lol
Me saying sasuke being familar with NE can result in him recognizing a huge amount of it flowing is an assumption (already know)but so is yours .you saying having senjutsu chakra enables you to sense NE is an assumption on your part too.
The Juubi is a mass of Nature Energy that Naruto could only feel once he entered Sage Mode. Naruto possessed a large mass of nature energy as well and Sasuke was able to sense it. If size had anything to do with anything here, then Naruto wouldn't have needed Sage Mode to sense the Juubi.
According to manga a shinobi trained in the art of senjutsu can sense the flow of NE even without SM .Naruto not sensing it in base means its chakra doesn't flow or wasn't flowing.




When you can show me how this means he can sense Senjutsu then we can talk, cause throwing random idiotic explanations out there while labeling my argument backed with Manga fact fanfiction isn't helping your point pal.
When you can prove that having senjutsu chakra grants you the ability to sense NE despite not being SM user then we can talk .



:lol No, it's not. The only thing different about it is that it has tomoe, which are irrelevant to the Rinnegan's powers.
It had slightly different abilities but whatever .
 

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I am not gonna learn you how to make a proper thought . if having chakra of many people would result in a huge change in chakra signature that a skilled sensor will feel it different.then every chakra individually would do a slight change but a skilled user would probsbly still be able to recognize the user chakra .doesn't change the fact that it did a slight change .
Lmfao what the hell are you even saying? Many different things added together changing the entire signature doesn't equate to one thing changing it and there's practically no example in any kind of outlet whether fiction or non fiction that'd prove your foolish point. Enough pollution can change the color of a body of water, but it doesn't mean if I go dump trash in a lake that it will make a slight change in color. :lol

All sensors have recognized the chakras of people who have gained another type of power. Thus the signature is the same. End of story. Making up bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse isn't helping you here.



You need to stop using logic accordingly .
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Uh JJ body getting damaged by no njutsu/chakra but by somehow it is immune to it .
It is funny how you ignored my point on how getting senjutsu =/= SM in terms of sensing abilities .
I didn't ignore it kiddo. I simply forgot to respond. TheSages said the same BS anyway and I already addressed it. Chakra sensing has jack shit to do with being able to feel nature energy.


Me saying sasuke being familar with NE can result in him recognizing a huge amount of it flowing is an assumption (already know)but so is yours .you saying having senjutsu chakra enables you to sense NE is an assumption on your part too.
No, it's not. Naruto needed SM to sense a mass of NE. That's evidence. You saying that Sasuke being familiar with NE means he can sense it makes zero sense when familiarity becomes irrelevant when you can't feel the thing in question. :lol

According to manga a shinobi trained in the art of senjutsu can sense the flow of NE even without SM .Naruto not sensing it in base means its chakra doesn't flow or wasn't flowing.
Because it's not in the atmosphere, it's inside the body of a giant monster. Same exact thing Naruto did except for the fact that he's not a giant monster.


When you can prove that having senjutsu chakra grants you the ability to sense NE despite not being SM user then we can talk .
Already have.



It had slightly different abilities but whatever .
And Madara has Limbo while Sasuke doesn't. Guess their eyes are different too. :lol Same eye, different abilities. Not debatable.
 

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so u posted the scan to prove wut :lol
Stop you are proving yourself wrong .sakura punch is a chakra release yet it damaged kaguya .
Night dragon is made of chakra yet it damaged madara .
DB classifying it as taijutsu doesn't change the fact that it is chakra. It is classified a taijutsu because it serves the physical outcome .then there is obito getting damaged by enton RS .
 

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Stop you are proving yourself wrong .sakura punch is a chakra release yet it damaged kaguya .
Night dragon is made of chakra yet it damaged madara .
Yeah becoz they are Taijutsu
DB classifying it as taijutsu doesn't change the fact that it is chakra. It is classified a taijutsu because it serves the physical outcome .then there is obito getting damaged by enton RS .
are u high grade moron.JJ can be affected by Taijutsu and almost all form of Taijutsu either it be Gai/Lee's Eight gates,Sakura/Tsunade's monster punch and Kicks or Hyuga clan's Poke use chakra,
JJ's body may nullify the chakra but it is not Nullifying the impact of Sakura's punch
 

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You people really need to cut the bullshit when it comes to the whole Ninjutsu and Juubi Jin's body business.

-Obito gets hit.
-Kishimoto decides to show us a full panel of the damage being done.
-Obito is surprised that the attack did that to him. Hence the "?!!"
-Sasuke and Minato are surprised that it did that damage to him.
-Obito then says that he didn't expect the Jin to have a weakness like . Referring to the f*cking hole in his back.

Yet clowns really want to tell me that "Oh no, lol Ninjutsu has it's regular full effect on the Jinchuuriki". Wat? Dafuq? Don't come with that "negate Ninjutsu after the fact" idiotic nonsense that thesages is spewing up there when the surprise from it doing damage came UPON IMPACT. Surprise from Minato, Sasuke and Obito. UPON IMPACT. If they came to the conclusion that Ninjutsu wouldn't work because the Gudo Dama would negate the damage, then their surprise would come after they witness the Gudo Dama fail to do shit, not before it even has a chance.
All of this is irrelevant when the same kishimoto decided to show us a full panel of obito smoking after getting hit by non senjutsu attack ,your best reach would be arguing that ninjutsu affect decreases when hitting JJ body ,which is so unlikely and not true .
 

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Yeah becoz they are Taijutsu

are u high grade moron.JJ can be affected by Taijutsu and almost all form of Taijutsu either it be Gai/Lee's Eight gates,Sakura/Tsunade's monster punch and Kicks or Hyuga clan's Poke use chakra,
JJ's body may nullify the chakra but it is not Nullifying the impact of Sakura's punch
@bold:so you are saying that sakura with her pure strength ,with the chakra released from her fist nullified, can break kaguya's bones ,OMG
If kaguya had really nullified the chakra released,sakura punch would have left no damage on kaguya ,smartass .
The funniest thing is you ignoring jin obito getting damaged by the non senjutsu enton rasen shurukin

@KG I am gonna reply later .
 

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The scans have been already posted .obito smoking after getting hit by enton RS .
That's just from the impact of the technique, it didn't actually do any damage on its own. Care to explain why only that part of Obito was smoking, even though he was completely engulfed in flames? He could've stood their all day and Amaterasu would have still done nothing.

Then there's Tobirama saying that even if it hits him it doesn't work [ ] (nope, not because of the TSB), and the SM Rasengan clearly , while the ERS did nothing of the sort.

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All of this is irrelevant
Lmao, best counters ever. You literally have zero explanation on Tobirama's and Sasuke's statements.
 
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@bold:so you are saying that sakura with her pure strength ,with the chakra released from her fist nullified, can break kaguya's bones ,OMG
If kaguya had really nullified the chakra released,sakura punch would have left no damage on kaguya ,smartass .
@B Now this Retard thinks Horns are made up bones :|

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Irrelevant. Obito was hit with an SM Rasengan and a KCM Rasengan+Enton yet he took no damage from the latter except a tiny burn on his side while the former put a hole in his back, meaning Ninjutsu isn't a viable form of combat against the Jinchuuriki.
"He took no damage except for the damage he took." :lol


No, because he used it against people who he knows can't be hurt. Period. Nothing more. Same goes for Madara. Not sure how many times I have to repeat this. So your little comparison is irrelevant, especially since Obito blocking Amaterasu is better than him taking it head on even if it can't hurt him as their goal was to distract him.
The same excuse can be applied to Kaguya.

Sasuke-"I'll be the distraction".

Then I'll just take this as you ignoring clear cut evidence. -Sasuke attacked Kaguya with Chidori. -Sasuke attacked Kaguya with Susanoo on more than one occasion. -Sasuke was about to cut Madara's body again with Chidori Eiso. Meaning he attacked them intending to do damage, meaning those jutsu had the capability to hurt his foes had they struck. End of story. You can stop ignoring manga fact now. Curse Seal replaces Sasuke's chakra with Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra yet his Chidori is blue every single time he uses Chidori in level 2 during Part II contrary to it being black when he used it at Valley of the End. Terrible comparison has already been addressed.
All irrelevant. Bringing up Cs2 is irrelevant since the seal only replaces the chakra proportionate to the amount that it saps from Sasuke. His entire reserve isn't senjutsu when he uses the curse seal.
Not wasting my time when none of what you are saying constitutes as evidence. All of this has been addressed and countered. Concession accepted.


Lol when will you stop this ridiculous ass attempt at grasping at these ridiculously far straws? Rasenshuriken exploding after impact is irrelevant as before that explosion happened Obito was hit, and then sent flying back by the force of the hit. Meaning he'd take damage from the impact just as anyone else would when they are hit with Rasengan.

-Naruto hits Obito in the back.
-Then Obito is sent flying down.

-Naruto and Sasuke hit Obito in the chest.
-Obito goes flying backwards, but with the Rasengan still on his chest so it was applied longer before actually exploding.

It functioning as a Rasen Shuriken is irrelevant when it can function as a Rasen Shuriken and still cause the same damage as a Rasengan if the ball hits the opponent.

-Sasuke sees that Obito is damaged by Rasengan.
-Manga panel closes up on Obito being damaged by Rasengan.
-Sasuke is surprised.
-Meaning that regular Ninjutsu can't do jack to the Jinchuuriki's body.
The Rasengan didn't even rip open Obito's back upon impact. Still not seeing the evidence the Enton Rasenshuriken and Rasengan were applied for the same amount of time. They weren't even used in the same fashion.
-Minato outright states that only taijutsu and senjutsu work on Madara.
-Yet you are still here arguing the contrary with weak evidence like "lol because Ninjutsu is negated after the damage done too". :lol What?
That's what happened with Enton Rasenshuriken, so yes that is the only conclusion.
If Naruto tried that in Base, the Rasengan would do nothing to Obito like in canon and then he'd fall to the ground. This "negating Ninjutsu after the fact" fanfiction BS you keep speaking of is nothing more than...fanfiction BS.
No, the ninjutsu vs jinchuriki scenario would play out the same way as it already did in the manga. The Rasengan hits and its negated before anything of significance is done.


Nope. If he could feel Nature Energy then he wouldn't be sitting there clueless at what Kabuto was doing during their fight regardless of him knowing about Sage Mode or not.
Sasuke never sat there clueless.

Lol irrelevant ass point since being able to sense Nature Energy has literally nothing to do with being able to sense regular chakra.
Your stance asserts that someone can be given sensing ability from a finite Sage chakra handout. :lol

We have the master Sage sensor Rock Lee example that your logic would advocate for.

The Jugo example shuts this down. Simply possessing Sage chakra gives nobody sensing ability and this is the last time that this will be explained to you.

Those trained in the art of senjutsu can sense the flow of natural energy in their base form(Sasuke falls under this category due to the cursed seal). You don't need senjutsu to sense natural energy.
 
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