adult naruto and sasuke can't defeat prime juudara because....

[Your Creepy Stalker]

It's called plot bro, Kishi nerfed Madara because he couldn't figure out how to defeat him; he said he didn't know how to in interviews if I remember correctly. 1 eye JJ Madara owns Naruto and Sasuke unnerfed. If you don't think so then where was Madara's use of wood clones, forest emergence, flower world, wood dragon, katon jutsus, Susanoo (showed use without eyes and with 1 eye pre-JJ. his Susanoo would be stronger than Sasuke's after he absorbed Bijuu chakra since Juubi>some Bijuu chakra), Deva path (ST and BT), Asura path, Pretha path, his MS jutsus, and he was missing most of his TSBs.

The true power of the eyes awaken when you have both eyes, that's stated by Madara and Obito. Madara with 1 eye can use shadow clones which all can use the same jutsus as him so Limbo, deva path, Pretha path, and Susanoo from all Madara's plus he could most likely use share vision with them since they are all connected by chakra like the Peins. So anything War arc Naruto and Sasuke dished out would be absorbed or deflected and if they went PS and full Kurama avatar mode then Madara would have a stronger PS plus his TSBs can slice through Susanoo. Edo Madara used BT with his partial Susanoo so using Pretha path with his PS probably isn't hard for him either.

Current Naruto can win since he can extract the Bijuus due to having their chakra but Sasuke can't do that; Madara would have a stronger Pretha path to prevent that from happening and Madara allowed Obito to get that close to him thinking he could manipulate Obito again but got surprised attack and lost only a small amount of chakra.

Nerf Nerf Nerf Blah Blah Blah. Long story short, you just jelly that someone who isn't Madara owned ur Fav. Somehow that line doesn't work so well when not used by a raving Madara Fanboy. It doesn't work in the fanboy's mouth either.
If Madara is getting beaten to the point where he needs his second Rinnegan, then One Rinnegan JJ Madara is weaker than Naruto or Sasuke, simple.

Kishi has figured out how to defeat Madara since that interview, or to be more accurate, he stopped pretending he didn't know Madara's weakness so as not to spoil stuff in an interview, which was made before we saw Madara's backstory. Ever since he was a kid, Madara's weakness was his back. He couldn't even go to the toilet if someone was standing behind him. And in a world of Ninja's were everyone gets backstabbed, you can't call it a nerf when Madara gets backstabbed too.

Sasuke could also extract Bijuu from Madara. He displayed affinity for their chakra when he used them to power up his Susanoo. Obito was able to extract part of the Bijuu because he had been Juubi Jinchuriki, so Sasuke could likely replicate this feat ever since he used his Bijuu Susanoo. If you think he can't get close enough, i will be forced to post the scan where Sasuke cuts Madara in half.

 

[Kushina san]

I will not discuss much about this thread because I do not give a damn, but CT and Ameno are not enough to defeat Madara, because it can be replaced with Limbo (at least 4 times). Also a simple CT is not enough to defeat a Juubi jin full power, or Rikudou would not have given Sasuke and Naruto that technique of seal.

And I would love to see Sasuke defeat an opponent by using the dimensions, but even here it is useless to discuss lol.

For me Naruto and Sasuke>Madara only together, it is my opinion and i not change my mind.

Go ahead.

 

[TheSageOfNinetails]

Well by that logic prime madz cant beat Naruto and Sasuke because hes dead

 

[SUPERDEADLYKING]

yup madara would kill them lol

 

[KesOnFire]

Hes dead

 

[iFlowMotion]

lmfaooo knew it
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OT: Why even say prime juudara? Everyone knows that when Maddy had the 10tailz he was at his prime.

Naruto and Sasuke rekt him

Lol I need to make a trip there <3
OT: You're correct they'd rekt him

 

[Scryed]

Naruto might win through extraction.


Not so sure if Sasuke could extract the beasts though. Unlike Naruto and Obito, he wasn't a Jinchuuriki. What he did was seal them directly into his PS rather than himself. Though I guess it's possible that he can extract them but only if the PS is used to pull them out. Not so sure how it works.





I also wonder what'll happen if he's completely obliterated to the point where there'd be nothing left of him that he can regenerate from. Kinda like what would happen if Hidan is blown up by a TBB. I'm guessing Madara would be erased and the Juubi would return some time afterwards. The reason why Hagoromo decided to create the Bijuu was because the Juubi would return after he died afterall though in his case, I guess it was of old age.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

It took the entire Shinobi Alliance to extract the Bijuus from Obito while he was getting talk no jutsu by Naruto plus he was emotionally unstable to begin with. I don't think talk no jutsu would work on Madara. Kaguya's chakra going haywire after Naruto damaged her is not a fact that can be said with every JuubiJin. Madara has Shinra tensei or PS to counter it anyways. IMO

 

[PIOLO]

Nerf Nerf Nerf Blah Blah Blah. Long story short, you just jelly that someone who isn't Madara owned ur Fav. Somehow that line doesn't work so well when not used by a raving Madara Fanboy. It doesn't work in the fanboy's mouth either.
If Madara is getting beaten to the point where he needs his second Rinnegan, then One Rinnegan JJ Madara is weaker than Naruto or Sasuke, simple.

Kishi has figured out how to defeat Madara since that interview, or to be more accurate, he stopped pretending he didn't know Madara's weakness so as not to spoil stuff in an interview, which was made before we saw Madara's backstory. Ever since he was a kid, Madara's weakness was his back. He couldn't even go to the toilet if someone was standing behind him. And in a world of Ninja's were everyone gets backstabbed, you can't call it a nerf when Madara gets backstabbed too.

Sasuke could also extract Bijuu from Madara. He displayed affinity for their chakra when he used them to power up his Susanoo. Obito was able to extract part of the Bijuu because he had been Juubi Jinchuriki, so Sasuke could likely replicate this feat ever since he used his Bijuu Susanoo. If you think he can't get close enough, i will be forced to post the scan where Sasuke cuts Madara in half.

Here's how I think it works.

Well, in terms of Madara's general set of powers, either Naruto and Sasuke can fight Madara alone. Generally, Madara has RSM, Rinnegan and Rinne Sharingan. Well, both Naruto and Sasuke can counter all of those three general powers. Naruto can fight RSM since he has RSM, he can fight Rinnegan since he fought Sasuke. Rinne Sharingan can also be handled. Sasuke can also fight RSM since he fought Naruto who had RSM + Kurama, and he can fight Rinnegan since he has it. He can also counter Rinne Sharingan. This is the general aspect.

Even if you include KKG like Mokuton, even then Naruto and Sasuke can fight Madara alone.

But when you start to go in depth of powers, you see that Madara's advantages start to become more imminent. If Madara uses IT from Rinne Sharingan, Naruto is negged at once. If Madara uses Limbo from Rinnegan against Sasuke, Sasuke will struggle and ultimately lose since even though Limbo can be physically dealt with, it won't receive any harm by physical attacks. And it will be too much of a distraction for Sasuke to fight anything else Madara has to throw.

Plus, Madara has the advantage of immortality and regeneration plus infinite chakra and can ultimately outlast Naruto and Sasuke even if it is a stalemate fight, and can take some serious attacks as well without loss.

That was an individual overview. Although Naruto and Sasuke are individually equal to Madara, they have one weakness which Madara can throw at them. But if they are together, they can cancel out their partner's disadvantages against Madara's powers. Sasuke can save Naruto from IT and Naruto can fight Limbo for Sasuke. They not only cancel those disadvantages, but add to each others powers. In that case, Naruto and Sasuke combined can counter everything Madara has, and Madara can counter everything Naruto and Sasuke have together. Even Sasuke's dimension swap won't work on Rinne Sharingan Madara.

So conclusively, Naruto & Sasuke = Madara.

If you ask me this is also applicable in madara vs kaguya, madara has an edge..