[Discussion] Admirals are overrated

[iSpeak]

Admirals are very underrated.

 

[Olorin]

Yeah, well you know what. You canact like the knowledgeable guy around here but you got your information mixed up. Read the wiki for the short version about how the WG works, but I'm done explaining it. Just think how your own country works (hoping it's not in the middle east because then this example doesn't work with the Arabic spring and all that.) They are the military force but not under their command.

from the wiki:

The World Government is a political organization comprised of the majority of the world at large, ruled by the Gorosei. It was established 800 years ago. The Marines serve as their primary military organization, headed by the Fleet Admiral, while the Cipher Pol operate behind the scenes, either through sabotage, reconnaissance, spying, espionage and/or assassination; their most powerful enemies are largely pirates and revolutionaries. The Commander-in-Chief oversees both the Marines and Cipher Pol as well as the Shichibukai, at least officially, and is second only to the Gorosei. Impel Down serves as the World Government's maximum-security prison. Collectively serving as the most prominent antagonists in the series, the World Government is largely portrayed as a corrupt entity, particularly through the pitiless use of their absolute justice doctrine and the depravity of their aristocratic World Nobles.

and later in the longer description, I'll just post 1 brief part:

Sengoku was informed about the escape of several Level 6 criminals back into the world, only to be ordered by the World Government to suppress the greater details, ...

ok now:

The President of the United States of America (POTUS) is the head of state and head of government of the United States. The president leads the executive branch of the federal government and is the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces. The person in this position is the leader of the country which has the largest economy and the largest military, with command authority over the largest active nuclear arsenal. The president is frequently described as the most powerful person in the world.

they ARE the military force and the ARE under their command, and no I am not from the middle east, was that supposed to be an insult?

 

[Love Cook]

they ARE the military force and the ARE under their command, and no I am not from the middle east, was that supposed to be an insult?

You. are. an. complete. idiot.

read a newspaper, and think about the topic we were discussing. I even referenced to the Arabic spring. The fact that you even suggest that it's an insult is stupid of another category. you're quotes are also irrelevant and don't go into the points we were talking about. I'm done with you, there is really no use. A lot of text but no points.

 

[Olorin]

You. are. an. complete. idiot.

read a newspaper, and think about the topic we were discussing. I even referenced to the Arabic spring. The fact that you even suggest that it's an insult is stupid of another category. you're quotes are also irrelevant and don't go into the points we were talking about. I'm done with you, there is really no use. A lot of text but no points.

actually the very first topic we were discussing before you went out of control, seriously you have some anger issues, is the topic of WG and it having more power than the Yonko

and I stand by my statement because the WG has the power of the Marines, The Sichibukai, Impel Down, Cipher Poll, ...

As for the Russia Usa example, that's bullshit on so many levels. First of all you said that WG has more power than the 4 yonkou. If that is true, than they can easily crush them one by one. Second US and RU both had WOMD and posed a nuclear thread that could change the world without even fighting them on the battlefield. Pirates and navy don't hold such power that can spread chaos all over the world instantly. Third is that US and RU really didn't want any war, but pirates and Navy are already at war. In the US and Ru example a war would be fought at innocent peoples home countries, in OP chances are pretty big this fight will be on a government island / pirate base or even at sea where innocent lives aren't at risk. Those are the most obvious reasons which prove that your argument doesn't make a lot of sense.

1. do you think the Marines would just politely curtsey and declare a polite war v a yonko and expect the other 3 to just suck it all up, if a power declared war on a yonko the world would go out of whack, do you think that the other 3 yonko would sit idly by and wait for them to be taken out 1 by 1? and even that is way too simple, just look at the sh?? that went down after WB died, there was chaos, the WG knows they would simply lose too much if they took on the yonko, so without a good reason they won't
2. there was no all out war between the two sides of the US and Russia just as there i no major war between the WG and the Yonko, but both examples have/had what could be described as ''regional conflicts/wars''
3. an all out war between tha Yonko and the WG would completely change the world of OP just as a war between the west and east would have done, nukes or no nukes
4. is fighting on just 1 island a pre-requisite for an OP war?

 

[Hyperion]

actually the very first topic we were discussing before you went out of control, seriously you have some anger issues, is the topic of WG and it having more power than the Yonko

and I stand by my statement because the WG has the power of the Marines, The Sichibukai, Impel Down, Cipher Poll, ...

If that were true, the NW wouldn't be ruled by the Yonkou.

 

[Olorin]

If that were true, the NW wouldn't be ruled by the Yonkou.

just because one power has an edge over another doesn't mean that they rule the world

 

[Hyperion]

just because one power has an edge over another doesn't mean that they rule the world

Yet they're called the WORLD GOVERNMENT.

 

[Olorin]

Yet they're called the WORLD GOVERNMENT.

it's a name it doesn't mean that they have to rule the entire world they are simply the largest and most powerful single organization in the world in which most of the nations are included

 

[The 3]

Just weighing in my opinion on the whole WG yonkou debate. I agree with @algalon on this, the WG has the edge over the yonkou based upon the control of the marines, the shiki, and cypher pol. In regards to why they don't target the destruction of the yonkou, I believe it has to do with stability. The WG doesn't support piracy, they loathe/fear it obviously, but a balance has occurred between the two sides. The WG is first and foremost responsible for the protection of the innocents, seeing as they were started by rulers of the kingdoms. Thus, if a war were to occur between a yonkou and the WG it would prove disastrous. If an admiral goes down, the WG is left very vulnerable and the revolutionaries may strike. If a yonkou dies, all the islands under their protection are now up for grabs which could result in chaos and civilian casualties. Those are two very costly outcomes. Let's not forget that pirates typically don't target the marines, especially the yonkou, that's what characterizes the revolutionaries. So if a balance of power has been reached as well as a relatively tranquil environment (only minor pirates targeted typically), it would prove unwise to create an all out war. It would cause far to many casualties and the variables are far to many. For now, they simply must bear the balance that has been reached.

 

[Red Swag]

IMO the WG is more powerful than the yonkos. Admiral = yonko... if not just a bit weaker. Why does the yonko rule only the new world? why not the world? bcuz they cant. The only organization that is opposing the WG directly is monkey d. dragon.

Monkey d. Garp = pirate king level... who has that? The WG! and dont be sayin hes too old now and past his prime. yea? howd u know that? did he tell you? admirals are old as well. around 55 -60+. although he might have resigned from the marines, but still Wg has him.

 

[ToshiZO]

No one in the OP verse is above Admiral level, so I think its safe to say they aren't overrated.