[Discussion] Admirals are overrated

[peace ffor all]

people overrate admirals too much..as if they are the strongest beings in the opuniverse..ridiculously stupid...they should note that power balance in op is navy hq+shichibukai=yonkou(as said by garp himself who is the most reliable source for this info)..whereras in navy hq we have one fleet admiral,3 admirals and atleast 10 vice admirals..and +7 powerful pirates mostly above vice admiral level(without shichibukai one yonkou and his allies ie whitebeard would destroy navy in the war )..these all are formed to reign the four most powerful pirates "YONKOU"..so if sabo the second in command of revolutionary army cant even defeat an admiral..he dont deserve the spot or revolutionaries are not so dangerous and threatening which is obviously false as we can see the reactions of people even the admirals when just dragons name was taken..sakazuki was so hell bent on killing LUFFY only bcoz he was dragons son..this shows us the threat and powerful revolutionary army is and mainly Dragon and his officers..
ADMIRALS ARE STRONG BUT NOT SO STRONG AS TO BE COMPARED BY YONKOU'S..YONKOU ARE STRONGER THAN ADMIRALS BY "A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN" IF NOT THEN THERE ARE ALREADY FOUR YONKOU LEVEL CANDITATES IN NAVY+VICE ADMIRALS,THEY DONT NEED SHICHIBUKAI..IF YOU THEY ARE SO POWERFUL THEN WHY DOES THE NAVY FEAR THE CONTACT BETWEEN ANY TWO YONKOU..BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF ANY TWO YONKOU OR MORE GO AGAINST NAVY THEY WILL BE IN A HUGE PROBLEM..IF THEY ARE SO MIGHTY WHY DONT THEY GET ONE YONKOU AT A TIME WITH ALL THE SO CALLED GODLY ADMIRALS AND FINISH THIS YONKOU SYSTEM..BECAUSE THEY CANT
SO WHAT I WANNA SAY IS PEOPLE SHUD START LOOKING AT THINGS REALISTICALLY..ADMIRALS ARE STRONG BUT ANY YONKOU WILL MID DIFF ANY ADMIRAL ANY TIME..

 

[sravan]

i think admiral can be defeated by any one yonkou

 

[New knight48]

Wow I hope that's not a spoiler. I don't read the manga but idk why u mentioned sabo luffy's childhood friend who died.

 

[I Hope Everyone Dies]

Wow I hope that's not a spoiler. I don't read the manga but idk why u mentioned sabo luffy's childhood friend who died.

Why should you even care if you don't read the manga, moron.

 

[Reaper]

Why should you even care if you don't read the manga, moron.

perhaps he means he only watches the anime

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Wow I hope that's not a spoiler. I don't read the manga but idk why u mentioned sabo luffy's childhood friend who died.

He was never shown to be dead so how did you come to that conclusion???

 

[Tobi98]

They are as strong as Yonkou's (or at least pretty close)

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Thank you captain obvious.

I see Admiral level being around Dragon/Sengoku level.

 

[Olorin]

I think that ppl underrate them, especially when they compare them to the yonko

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Ugh so u just put this in another thread then came to another and copy pasted it? When my bill cmes i will imagine very horrible things i tell u.

In truth at the top of OP its a tad crowded and the battles are never really going to b outright decided brfore a fight, Oda throws all these nifty scenarios that change how shit's gonna go down its like if colisseum didnt have a hollow space below and a pool to add to that do u think Sabo wld have toppled it or at least the way he did it.
Admirals like it or not are powerful fighters than any other fighter has to b mentally prepared for to face, but it is also becoz they are the marines's most powerful weopons that also makes them the weakness of the marines as in tge marnes can lose a 100 000privates/whatever and not even feel a dent but if an admiral is killed or incapacitated they sure as hell have to turtle back into a shell and find a worthy replacement or else get devoured by either a Yonko or the rev's so while yes Garp did say marines plus shichi balance out vs Yonko, marines cant afford to go all out hunting Yonko bcoz well yah vs a Yonko even with probably 4admiral lvl opponents they wld wld lose 1 or more and whose to guarantee any of the other 3yonko wont do something while they are occupied not to mention the Revs who will defnately capitalise on such an opotunity.
The thing is wars in OP are not depandant on how many millions of avarage man u have 1man with power enough can change the whole outcome of a war, and those millions just get swept aside so yes while marines are balanced out wuth shichi and Yonko it is the fact that the Yonko never work together that makes it easier for them bcoz any Yonko crew probably has 3 admiral lvl pple in it and 2 yonko equals close to the power of 6 admirals and so the fall short and well the shichi are really not for the marines' cause, it even buffles me how they got that many of them to come vs WB but we already know they coerced some so its plain that Shichi are an unreliable partner that wont do anything unless it wont gain them something or unless they lose something if they dont, at best they help the marines out the most by scaring away small scale pirates who arent gamechangers at all and when they take out a pirate crew its coz either they have directly pissed off the Shichi or there is some ulterior motive.
Marines = 1.3 power unit(0.3 is the millions of fodder that salute the admirals)
Yonko= 1power unit
2Yonko = 2power unit(marines come short).

 

[Uchiha Samater]

that paragraph is admiral level

 

[Love Cook]

So you think they're underrated when 3 admirals + entire navy = 4 yonkou + crew ?

That is like (pre war, because whitebeard is the only yonkou we seen in action to give any indication of power):

Aokiji + 2 shichibukai and a couple of VA's VS. Whitebeard and 16 divisions
Kizaru + 2 shichibukai and a couple of VA's VS. Big Mom and entire crew
Akainu + 2 shichibukai and a couple of VA's VS. Kaido and his 1000 beast army
Sengoku and Garp + 1 shichibukai and a couple of VA's VS. Shanks and his core crew

How can you say that they are underrated ? Admirals are almost on top of the foodchain. The only person that successfully damaged a Admiral was Whitebeard. No one else succeeded in giving them even a scratch.

 

[crono0929]

that paragraph is admiral level

wow that literally made me spit my drink all over....

 

[Olorin]

I think that the WG has more power than the 4 yonko

 

[Love Cook]

I think that the WG has more power than the 4 yonko

What do you mean by that ? This discussion is about the balance of powers between Navy, WG and pirates, and how the admirals fit in that picture.

So what other trump cards does the WG hold, that they didn't show yet ?

Also, if they have a power greater than the 4 yonkou, why didn't they use it to control the seas yet ?

 

[Fireplay]

Again with this. People underrate the admirals not overrate. I've heard dumb shit like a Yonko can low-diff an admiral. The admirals are TOP tier. The WG's strongest force. If a Yonko (Top tier) could wipe the floor with an admiral (another Top tier) whenever he/she pleases then the admirals wouldn't be Top tier wouldn't they. They might aswell quit being a marine and go home.

 

[Olorin]

What do you mean by that ? This discussion is about the balance of powers between Navy, WG and pirates, and how the admirals fit in that picture.

So what other trump cards does the WG hold, that they didn't show yet ?

Also, if they have a power greater than the 4 yonkou, why didn't they use it to control the seas yet ?

1. WG has the 3 admirals, the fleet admiral, the VA's, Sichibukai, CP-0, Kong, there's also the Gorosei and yes I do think that the overall power of teh WG is greater than that of the Yonko

2. just because you have more power (and in this case not that much more imo) it doesn't mean you just attack another ''superpower'', why would you, gathering all the resorces of the WG and going head on against the 4 Yonko would completely destroy teh Navvy even if they would have won, they would no longer be able to keep the balance in the world, just look how much sh?? went down throughout the world after WB died, what do you think would happen if the WG decided on a full-blown war against the Yonko, the 3 powers would be gone and the geo-politics of the OP world would be f???, the Navy would lose it's ability to protect the citizens and the WG would lose it's influence, nations would leave since noone wants to be in a broken down WG which is ust a shadow of it's former self, it's basic politics

also let me ask you that: if the US had the power greater than teh Soviet Union why didn't they use it to control the world? (or vice versa) why didn't they take on Russia? because it would be extremely stupid that's why

 

[Love Cook]

1. WG has the 3 admirals, the fleet admiral, the VA's, Sichibukai, CP-0, Kong, there's also the Gorosei and yes I do think that the overall power of teh WG is greater than that of the Yonko

2. just because you have more power (and in this case not that much more imo) it doesn't mean you just attack another ''superpower'', why would you, gathering all the resorces of the WG and going head on against the 4 Yonko would completely destroy teh Navvy even if they would have won, they would no longer be able to keep the balance in the world, just look how much sh?? went down throughout the world after WB died, what do you think would happen if the WG decided on a full-blown war against the Yonko, the 3 powers would be gone and the geo-politics of the OP world would be f???, the Navy would lose it's ability to protect the citizens and the WG would lose it's influence, nations would leave since noone wants to be in a broken down WG which is ust a shadow of it's former self, it's basic politics

also let me ask you that: if the US had the power greater than teh Soviet Union why didn't they use it to control the world? (or vice versa) why didn't they take on Russia? because it would be extremely stupid that's why

Yeah I thought you were confused in the last post, but this post explains it all.

The WG doesn't have admirals, fleet admiral and Va's. The WG has Kong, the shichibukai, Gorosei and the nobles.

You've got it all mixed up. That's the whole discussion basically the balance of San Dai Seiryoku. Maybe read up in this matter before you add in the discussion.

There are no clues that the WG has a trump of that size that rivals the power of yonko, maybe they possess an ancient weapon, that's a possibility that could stir up panic in the NW.

Also your example makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Olorin]

The WG doesn't have admirals, fleet admiral and Va's. The WG has Kong, the shichibukai, Gorosei and the nobles

last time I checked the Marines work for the WG, they are literally the WG's military force

and the Sichibukai technically work for the WG as well or they lose their privileges, technically they are pirates who allied with the WG for certain perks

yes there are 3 (official) powers in OP but 2 of them are/work for the WG

and please do explain how it makes no sense whatsoever?

 

[Love Cook]

last time I checked the Marines work for the WG, they are literally the WG's military force

and the Sichibukai technically work for the WG as well or they lose their privileges, technically they are pirates who allied with the WG for certain perks

yes there are 3 (official) powers in OP but 2 of them are/work for the WG

and please do explain how it makes no sense whatsoever?

Yeah, well you know what. You canact like the knowledgeable guy around here but you got your information mixed up. Read the wiki for the short version about how the WG works, but I'm done explaining it. Just think how your own country works (hoping it's not in the middle east because then this example doesn't work with the Arabic spring and all that.) They are the military force but not under their command.

As for the Russia Usa example, that's bullshit on so many levels. First of all you said that WG has more power than the 4 yonkou. If that is true, than they can easily crush them one by one. Second US and RU both had WOMD and posed a nuclear thread that could change the world without even fighting them on the battlefield. Pirates and navy don't hold such power that can spread chaos all over the world instantly. Third is that US and RU really didn't want any war, but pirates and Navy are already at war. In the US and Ru example a war would be fought at innocent peoples home countries, in OP chances are pretty big this fight will be on a government island / pirate base or even at sea where innocent lives aren't at risk. Those are the most obvious reasons which prove that your argument doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the WG has a shot to take out a yonkou they would take it, but they can't right now.