[Question] Admins/Mods attention: Rules counteracting one another?

[Chatte]

Ok, so I do have a little question for the mods. I came over a little issue lately while browsing the threads and made me wonder some things about it.

Isn't the rule of Duplicate thread and the rule of Thread revival counteracting each other a bit?

I ask mainly because of this:

A new member comes, does a new thread that is duplicate with another thread, in instance, but maybe he searched, found an old thread but was older than a month and couldn't discuss on the matter because he might get an infraction for reviving an old thread.

However, if he does a thread with the same subject, he might get an infraction because the thread is duplicate.

So aren't these two rules kind of counteracting one another? Because as it seems, he gets an infraction no matter what.

I would personally let the old threads revived in the favor of duplicate threads.
That's just my opinion.

Hope I made myself clear and didn't offended anyone with this.

I just wanted to ask because I considered there is a little flaw there and I am sure the admins/mods can clear this one up for me.

Thank you!

EDIT: Example:

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because Blaze gave it as an example in another thread.

I quickly went and read it, like it and posted, without looking at the date because it was something not discussed which left the possibility of having an opinion open.
I only saw that it was old after someone warned me it was old.

And I know I deserve my infraction for reviving and old thread, however, if I would have made a new thread to discuss about it, it would have gotten me the infraction of duplicate thread, because Blaze already discussed it.
Hope my example was understood.

 

[theRPGdude]

If there was a thread that was the same. He can just look for the answers himself. No need to make a new thread. That's like the same thing as spaming or raising post count just for that. If it were dead and you comment it's spam. It you make an duplicate of it knowing that there's a thread just so you can raise post count. That's spam. And will be treated as such.

I may be wrong. And there been a lot of threads I make that we're like that. But all I got was search button so I'm fine.

 

[Katkot]

Chatte sama , i think its not against rule to revive old thread ..
Today i saw dr.proof revived his old thread about itachi and its fine since his thread was good thread

 

[Vasto Lordé]

I wondered about this a while after I joined but when I stopped making normal threads I forgot about it, would love to hear the Mod's opinion on it though, maybe we're interpreting it wrong.

 

[Chatte]

If there was a thread that was the same. He can just look for the answers himself. No need to make a new thread. That's like the same thing as spaming or raising post count just for that. If it were dead and you comment it's spam. It you make an duplicate of it knowing that there's a thread just so you can raise post count. That's spam. And will be treated as such.

I may be wrong. And there been a lot of threads I make that we're like that. But all I got was search button so I'm fine.

Yeah, I do get where you're coming from, however what if he has an opinion about the given thread?
I know that personally, at first, I had some threads that I liked, however I did not post because they were older than a month.
And If I had wanted to discuss about it, I would have been obligated to make a new thread and that would've lead me to infraction.

And I am not talking about the VS threads or something like that, no.
Those are logical.
However there are other threads that can have good subject but they're too old and forgotten because of the hot trolling threads and they get somewhere in the last page and when you find them, it's too late because it's been already a month since they're posted.

Chatte sama , i think its not against rule to revive old thread ..
Today i saw dr.proof revived his old thread about itachi and its fine since his thread was good thread

It is against the rules.
With Dr. Proof it's a bit different.
He got his thread deleted and then talked to a mod and he had the permission to post it again.
And it was an ongoing thread.

I wondered about this a while after I joined but when I stopped making normal threads I forgot about it, would love to hear the Mod's opinion on it though, maybe we're interpreting it wrong.

Me too, that's why I made this thread.
Hopefully they get what I'm saying.
And I'm sure they will clear this up for us.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Well, I agree. Problem Ira?

 

[-S-]

Chatte sama , i think its not against rule to revive old thread ..
Today i saw dr.proof revived his old thread about itachi a
nd its fine since his thread was good thread

No, thread bumping is forbidden if the thread is a month old.

OP: I don't think we should be allowed to revive old threads... simply because if they don't have any fresh discussion in it, there's no need for it to be brought back. It just fills up the threads list with old clutter, instead of allowing new threads to be shown.

 

['Nāpalm]

good job its shame they might infract you simply of addressing this

 

[Waltz]

This sounds pretty solid. I have a solution though:

I had a case where i revived an old theory, and was infracted for doing so. I knew of the duplicate rule, so i re-did the thread but instead of making it identical i tweaked it and changed the title.

I think this is the best way to out beat both rules.

 

[theRPGdude]

If you want to share a comment why not comment on the persons profile or private message. Instead of flooding the fourms with spam. There's more then one way to do things right and abide by the rules.

Like I said. The Mods will view it as spam and post count raise.

 

[Chatte]

Well, I agree. Problem Ira?

Well, glad you agree, however you don't have to be that agressive.

No, thread bumping is forbidden if the thread is a month old.

OP: I don't think we should be allowed to revive old threads... simply because if they don't have any fresh discussion in it, there's no need for it to be brought back. It just fills up the threads list with old clutter, instead of allowing new threads to be shown.

I agree up to a certain extent, however, today I found myself in the position of posting into an old thread without knowing it. It was one of Blaze's threads.
And when you find good threads like that, it's a shame not to be allowed to post, especially when it's a thread open to discussion but everyone decided to leave it and go fight for their favorite character in a VS thread.

good job its shame they might infract you simply of addressing this

I don't think they will infract me.
It's a question who has been posted in the correct section treating a serious matter.

This sounds pretty solid. I have a solution though:

I had a case where i revived an old theory, and was infracted for doing so. I knew of the duplicate rule, so i re-did the thread but instead of making it identical i tweaked it and changed the title.

I think this is the best way to out beat both rules.

Yeah but this is similar to a bit of a cheating, no offence, and I wouldn't want to do that.
And I don't want to beat the rules, I want to respect them and be ok with everything.

If you want to share a comment why not comment on the persons profile or private message. Instead of flooding the fourms with spam. There's more then one way to do things right and abide by the rules.

Like I said. The Mods will view it as spam and post count raise.

Yes but when the discussion is quite good and at the subject, why not post in that thread, maybe someone would like to see those opinions as well.
If we do it like you said, how would that member know what we have talked about?
What if it gets lost in the other discussions on our profile?
That way it all stays in one place, easier to track.

And I am referring here to good discussion threads a la Blaze Release and Varrah for example, who don't get the shine because of the troll threads and VS threads.

 

[Valen]

The searchbar doesn't even work that well

 

[Yui Kotegawa]

Chatte sama , i think its not against rule to revive old thread ..
Today i saw dr.proof revived his old thread about itachi and its fine since his thread was good thread

Wow really?
Yea i agree some of the rules are a bit unorthodox.

 

[-S-]

I agree up to a certain extent, however, today I found myself in the position of posting into an old thread without knowing it. It was one of Blaze's threads.
And when you find good threads like that, it's a shame not to be allowed to post, especially when it's a thread open to discussion but everyone decided to leave it and go fight for their favorite character in a VS thread.

Hmm.. if you found an old thread, it was most likely through Google or searching through the forum, in which you case you should always make sure to check the date of the last post.

Addressing the VS thread problem, that shouldn't be an issue since those threads are in two different sections, and if not, you can always choose to report the VS thread if it's in the Discussion Section

 

[theRPGdude]

In all cases such as this. Threads that are a month old probably already have been answered. Therefore, no comment needed.

I see what you did there but it's not really condrdicting themselves cause the Admins already provided an explanation on what not to do and do.

 

[Waltz]

Yeah but this is similar to a bit of a cheating, no offence, and I wouldn't want to do that.
And I don't want to beat the rules, I want to respect them and be ok with everything.

I see what your saying, but you must remember that my options were to either Beat both rules or face an infraction for Bumping or Duplicating. Hopefully this thread will shed some light on the matter.

 

[Chatte]

The searchbar doesn't even work that well

I did had problems with the search bar myself once or twice.
But that's another thing.

Wow really?
Yea i agree some of the rules are a bit unorthodox.

They are not unorthodox, I find them normal, however a bit clashing against each other.

Hmm.. if you found an old thread, it was most likely through Google or searching through the forum, in which you case you should always make sure to check the date of the last post.

Addressing the VS thread problem, that shouldn't be an issue since those threads are in two different sections, and if not, you can always choose to report the VS thread if it's in the Discussion Section

Well, I usually search for threads when I am bored to see the new feeds of threads.
However, if I find an old thread and it's too old but I like it, and it's not the type of a VS thread, I would like to post in, but can't because of this rule.
Regarding the VS, what I wanted to say it's that people let the other types of threads for VS threads to fight over for their personal favorite character and the good threads go on the last pages, remaining buried there.
That was my problem, to say like that.

In all cases such as this. Threads that are a month old probably already have been answered. Therefore, no comment needed.

I see what you did there but it's not really condrdicting themselves cause the Admins already provided an explanation on what not to do and do.

I am not talking about those question type threads, I am talking about the discussion type threads where multiple opinions and views are shared.
So therefore, maybe, your opinion changes the course of it and brings new discussions which would be nice to have.

I have read the explanations and the rules that's why I asked if they are not counteracting a bit themselves.

If I wouldn't have been worried about that, I wouldn't have made the thread.

 

[theRPGdude]

I see what your saying, but you must remember that my options were to either Beat both rules or face an infraction for Bumping or Duplicating. Hopefully this thread will shed some light on the matter.

I don't see how fooling the mods can help the situation. They even stated that different titles don't matter. If it conhensodes with the same topic then it will be deleted. For examples, VS threads with flashy names.

 

[Chatte]

I see what your saying, but you must remember that my options were to either Beat both rules or face an infraction for Bumping or Duplicating. Hopefully this thread will shed some light on the matter.

Hopefully, yes, it will.

I just want to have everything cleared.
It's not my type to break the rules and it would come a bit off since I am "screaming" at people to follow them. :|

 

[Waltz]

If you want to share a comment why not comment on the persons profile or private message. Instead of flooding the fourms with spam. There's more then one way to do things right and abide by the rules.

Like I said. The Mods will view it as spam and post count raise.

Actually, i've realized that its easier to get Mods and especially Admins attentions via a Thread Rather than VM or PM. I've PM Admins and they do not reply. VM may take hours for response due to the fact that Mods are usually busy.

Making a thread about serious matters (as in this case) is much more effective.

I don't see how fooling the mods can help the situation. They even stated that different titles don't matter. If it conhensodes with the same topic then it will be deleted. For examples, VS threads with flashy names.

In my sinario it's worked. I agree that it doesn't help the situation but it's either that or an infraction.

The example i'm using was much earlier this year...and back then it didn't seem that important to me to make the conflicting rules an issue. I'm glad this thread was made though.

Hopefully, yes, it will.

I just want to have everything cleared.
It's not my type to break the rules and it would come a bit off since I am "screaming" at people to follow them. :|

True. Lets wait and see if there is a response.

In my (past) situation, the odds were against me so i had to take the safest route possible...though it shouldn't be done.