[Discussion] Ace,Sabo & Luffy tag

[Venomous Cobra]

But Sabo was the one covered in dirt while Fujitora was clean as a whistle.

I understand what you're saying and it probably does hint fuji's superiority in that fight but still the fact that he was not damaged bit does somehow show that sabo was able to keep up even if he was the weaker one.

Kizaru damaged someone stronger than sabo in their brief battel aka marco

 

[-Akuma-]

Nah, he can't. He only preformed haoshuko unconsciously when he was young, but no CoA or CoO and with his durability feats against BB, I cannot see him doing anything to logia with insane haki that can even bypass marco's Zoan and haki like kizaru

Fodder in the NW had haki, I can assume Ace had it, let me guess you aoutmaically assume any new character in OP has haki expect Ace? And his durability feats against Teach, to take him out he had to be in the center of a explosion that took out most of an Island. Kizaru didn't bypass Marco's Zoan, hence why he had ot cuff him with SS negating his powers before hurting him.

Yeah no, dealing with sabo and luffy will not exhaust a man that was dealing with roger's first mate and luffy's teacher with only a sword. G4 lasts for 10 minutes, after those ten minutes, luffy can no longer move nor even use haki. That's when kizaru easily one snipes his head with a laser or yaska attack, luffy becomes useless after g4 and without it.

Again Ray's object was to hold off Kizaru which is what he did, Kizaru was the only trying to push through and he couldn't. Old Ray shouldn't be that much stronger than Sabo, Kizaru isn't hold off an Sabo and Luffy assault at all.

Well sabo was dealing with fuji alone, and from what I understood, fujitoura is pretty a new admiral, kizaru damaged someone who was stronger than sabo pre-skip(marco) and had even kept up with rayleigh with only a sword and no other attacks. And I even said maybe, not certain, so don't jump to conclusions.

Being new doesn't make him weaker, people who are Admiral are string period, Kuzan was said to be a monster even when he was a VA. While who's stronger between Marco and Sabo is debatable, but not the point. Kizaru only hurt him after he had been cuffed, while again I doubt old Ray is that much above Sabo if he's above him at all.

 

[Passerby]

Fodder in the NW had haki, I can assume Ace had it, let me guess you aoutmaically assume any new character in OP has haki expect Ace? And his durability feats against Teach, to take him out he had to be in the center of a explosion that took out most of an Island. Kizaru didn't bypass Marco's Zoan, hence why he had ot cuff him with SS negating his powers before hurting him.



Again Ray's object was to hold off Kizaru which is what he did, Kizaru was the only trying to push through and he couldn't. Old Ray shouldn't be that much stronger than Sabo, Kizaru isn't hold off an Sabo and Luffy assault at all.




Being new doesn't make him weaker, people who are Admiral are string period, Kuzan was said to be a monster even when he was a VA. While who's stronger between Marco and Sabo is debatable, but not the point. Kizaru only hurt him after he had been cuffed, while again I doubt old Ray is that much above Sabo if he's above him at all.

Ace had Haki? And for some reason he forgot to use it against Smoker who was out to kill Luffy?

 

[LBeezy]

Sometimes I get so disgusted and tired of seeing people wank the Admirals and hate on Luffy and other pirates around his level..

OT: Ace, Sabo, and Luffy tag team can defeat almost any single opponent they go against I guess.. excluding the few real deal powerhouses. But the real question is what chopstickchakra said, what's the status of the Mera Mera no mi in the hypothetical tag team?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Fodder in the NW had haki, I can assume Ace had it, let me guess you aoutmaically assume any new character in OP has haki expect Ace? ]

You can argue something with an assumption of that level, half of the strawhats are by no means fodder and they still don't have haki. Ace could have used haki against BB yet he didn't, he could have used against akainu to save his brother, yet he didn't. Those sitution were dead serious yet he didn't showcase and so it is confirmed that ace didn't know about haki. only vista and marco had shown haki in BB's crew.

And his durability feats against Teach, to take him out he had to be in the center of a explosion that took out most of an Island.

Ace literary took to attacks, and the final one. and the explosion wouldn't affect him as he;s a fire logia unless BB's attack was more powerful in which case 3 attacks is all it took for ace to go down, the rest was of-paneled implying that BB was physically stronger.

Kizaru didn't bypass Marco's Zoan, hence why he had ot cuff him with SS negating his powers before hurting him.[/FONT

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I don't see any handcufs here
Again Ray's object was to hold off Kizaru which is what he did
Ray was going to get captured and so he had to defeat kizaru cause he asked him if there's any possibility that he'd let them go which kizaru denied. Ray even rejected the possibility of helping them with kuma because he was literary barely handling kizaru. Also rayliegh did far better job against kizaru than sabo did against fujitoura, ray actually scratched him

Kizaru was the only trying to push through and he couldn't. Old Ray shouldn't be that much stronger than Sabo, Kizaru isn't hold off an Sabo and Luffy assault at all.

Old rayleigh is a top tier, he's the person who thought luffy and luffy himself is now stronger than sabo by feats

Being new doesn't make him weaker, people who are Admiral are string period

Someone is always given a promotion from VC to an admiral, admirals are used in front lines and so they experience stronger enemies and build their skills based on those extreme fight, VC are however given easier opponents

Kuzan was said to be a monster even when he was a VA.

Evem monster trio were compared to monsters in the manga...that does not indicate that he was as strong as he is now when he was a VC.....

While who's stronger between Marco and Sabo is debatable but not the point.

Sabo's haki is able to give pain to akainu, and his speed is good enough to lay a hit on kizaru, He is able to regenerate , blitz the likes of kuzan and so his feats are vastly better.

Kizaru only hurt him after he had been cuffed, while again I doubt old Ray is that much above Sabo if he's above him at all.

So roger's firstmate and the person who was directly compared to white beard by garp when he said "Two legends at the same time" is as strong as sabo?......woah what is portrayal godammit....

 

[loj]

Sometimes I get so disgusted and tired of seeing people wank the Admirals and hate on Luffy and other pirates around his level..

OT: Ace, Sabo, and Luffy tag team can defeat almost any single opponent they go against I guess.. excluding the few real deal powerhouses. But the real question is what chopstickchakra said, what's the status of the Mera Mera no mi in the hypothetical tag team?

I'm sorry I totally forgot to write it,Ace bas mera,Sabo doesn't.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

An admiral in and a vice admiral

 

[-Akuma-]

You can argue something with an assumption of that level, half of the strawhats are by no means fodder and they still don't have haki. Ace could have used haki against BB yet he didn't, he could have used against akainu to save his brother, yet he didn't. Those sitution were dead serious yet he didn't showcase and so it is confirmed that ace didn't know about haki. only vista and marco had shown haki in BB's crew.

Half of the SH are fodder, Sanji himself can be barley called a decent fighter in the NW. Ace proabobly did use haki against BB, or did you forget haki was cloured pre skip. Also the fact Ace was complete calm at the fact Teach was also an logia means that he had a way to hit him. Again you're naming all these times not knowing if he was suing haki or not due to vagueness pre skip.

Ace literary took to attacks, and the final one. and the explosion wouldn't affect him as he;s a fire logia unless BB's attack was more powerful in which case 3 attacks is all it took for ace to go down, the rest was of-paneled implying that BB was physically stronger.

So BB chopping and punching him didn't happen? The collision did effect him, it was blatantly obvious the fight was concluded in the that clash. Again how odes that make Tech stronger when they were both ranged DF attacks?

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I don't see any handcufs here

My bad you have him hurting Base Marco when he's distracted, when was Base Marco have insane durability. My point was he couldn't hurt Marco while his DF was active, hurting Base Marco who literally gets right back up afetr isn't that amazing.

Again Ray's object was to hold off Kizaru which is what he did
Ray was going to get captured and so he had to defeat kizaru cause he asked him if there's any possibility that he'd let them go which kizaru denied. Ray even rejected the possibility of helping them with kuma because he was literary barely handling kizaru. Also rayliegh did far better job against kizaru than sabo did against fujitoura, ray actually scratched him

No Ray wasn't going to get captured, he interrupted Kizaru to stop him from killing Zoro. The fact that Ray is literally left alone after this proves your whole theory wrong, Ray is left untouched after this. Ray wanted them to leave the Straw Hats alone which they couldn't. If they wanted and could capture Ray they would of. Ray scratched Kizaru because Kizaru stopped paying attention.

Old rayleigh is a top tier, he's the person who thought luffy and luffy himself is now stronger than sabo by feats

Sabo is a top tier as well, just lower down like Ray. While Luffy himself in G4 isn't stronger by feats, the same who couldn't put down a badly injured DD.

Someone is always given a promotion from VC to an admiral, admirals are used in front lines and so they experience stronger enemies and build their skills based on those extreme fight, VC are however given easier opponents

Someone strong is also given VC to Admiral, in fact if there's nobody strong enough they will draft someone in. Fujitroa came in from an Marine draft.

Evem monster trio were compared to monsters in the manga...that does not indicate that he was as strong as he is now when he was a VC.....

Kuzan was a monster compared to VA, none of the M3 would be called monster by an Vice-Admiral pre skip. Kuzan was exceptional even when compared to his peers.

Sabo's haki is able to give pain to akainu, and his speed is good enough to lay a hit on kizaru, He is able to regenerate , blitz the likes of kuzan and so his feats are vastly better.

Marco and Vista could only irritate Akainu with a clean hit, couldn't even fully bypass his logia form. Sabo was able to hit Fujitroa many times as well, so landing a hit on an Admiral isn't major as you make it out to be, while he never full on blitzed Kuzan.

So roger's firstmate and the person who was directly compared to white beard by garp when he said "Two legends at the same time" is as strong as sabo?......woah what is portrayal godammit....

Yes especially when that person is old and only picked up a sword in recent until then, decline must not be a thing to you huh?

 

[-Akuma-]

Ace had Haki? And for some reason he forgot to use it against Smoker who was out to kill Luffy?

You clearly can't read at all if you think Ace was remotely serious against Smoker.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Half of the SH are fodder, Sanji himself can be barley called a decent fighter in the NW.

They are clearly not, robin is topping hakuba who is supposed to be a new supernova and franky defeated senor Pink. And lol at sanji being just "decent" when he has 2 types of haki unlike the character you're debating with now. Sanji by feats beat all the supernova aside from his crew and law,same supernova that were called terrifying and strong from multiple people

Ace proabobly did use haki against BB, or did you forget haki was cloured pre skip.

Show me where he did please.

Also the fact Ace was complete calm at the fact Teach was also an logia means that he had a way to hit him. Again you're naming all these times not knowing if he was suing haki or not due to vagueness pre skip.

OH MY GOD!
Bro,That's A neck fam

BB doesn't simply pass through attacks, he absorbs them with his darkness and if he fails to do it, he'll get harmed. H specifically stated that he doesn't pass through things

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FONT=Trebuchet MS]So BB chopping and punching him didn't happen? The collision did effect him, it was blatantly

obvious the fight was concluded in the that clash. Again how odes that make Tech stronger when they were both ranged DF attacks?[/FONT]

Only ace had range, BB didn't have those many, it was only the last one in their big clash that was long ranged if I remmeber correctly.

My bad you have him hurting Base Marco when he's distracted, when was Base Marco have insane durability. My point was he couldn't hurt Marco while his DF was active, hurting Base Marco who literally gets right back up afetr isn't that amazing.

Marco's DF should be always active, this is a war after all and he's in the front line, plus he should have healed in no time. But even if he was, Marco was still damaged

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Are you really suggesting that blitzing marco is not that much of a feat?

No Ray wasn't going to get captured,

He's a pirate and so he knows that if he's captured he'll get jailed, he even mentioned his bounty and so please dont say his objective is just to delay when he's clearly mentioning his bounty being the reason for his hiding

he interrupted Kizaru to stop him from killing Zoro. The fact that Ray is literally left alone after this proves your whole theory wrong, Ray is left untouched after this. Ray wanted them to leave the Straw Hats alone which they couldn't. If they wanted and could capture Ray they would of. Ray scratched Kizaru because Kizaru stopped paying attention.

Wrong rayleigh explained that his bounty iss what's preventing him from living peacefully

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This confirms that marines will never inore pirate if they have a bounty

Sabo is a top tier as well, just lower down like Ray.

One tier is enough to give kizaru more superior feats, it's not like I expected him to be insanely stronger than fuji but still stronger.

While Luffy himself in G4 isn't stronger by feats, the same who couldn't put down a badly injured DD.

Do you have a proof that sabo could do any better?

Kuzan was a monster compared to VA,

When did it say "compared to the VCs" I remmeber it said he was a monster only

none of the M3 would be called monster by an Vice-Admiral pre skip. Kuzan was exceptional even when compared to his peers.

Robb lucci was being praised by the vice admirals back in eneis lobby, same rob lucci who was defeated by luffy and later on surpassed by zoro and sanji

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Marco and Vista could only irritate Akainu with a clean hit, couldn't even fully bypass his logia form.

Akainu still felt pain though

Sabo was able to hit Fujitroa many times as well, so landing a hit on an Admiral isn't major as you make it out to be, while he never full on blitzed Kuzan.

Sabo never managed to give pain to fujitoura bro

Yes especially when that person is old and only picked up a sword in recent until then, decline must not be a thing to you huh?

Garp was still strong enough to kill akainu, White beard was still strong enough to match the admirals and even shit stomp someone like akainu for moments, hell even fujitoura himself is pretty old,what makes you think that it's weaken rayleigh that much?