Absence of Evidence= No RSM, NO 6 paths?
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Rikudou Tobi
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Madara never used Preta and Deva
Well it's like you said the abilities he created corresponded to each corpse, Nagato created it to be that way
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Like Umari Senju pointed out, the rinnegan doesn't function the exact same way as a sharingan does. Each person takes in a different set of powers when using the sharingan. As we seen from Nagato his pain powers revolve around the senju esque type of abilities closer to Buddha while someone like Sasuke is more uchiha like by influencing his powers around the thunder god Indra.
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The chibaku tensei is a technique of the Deva Path, as displayed by Nagato.
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That's where you're wrong.
In the manga Nagato's powers were either referred to as "the jutsus six pains used" (konan), or by many others pain's jutsus. Even the 3rd and 4th Databook said that they were rikudou pain's power (six path pain's power).
That's why it's called six path of pain's jutsu. The bodies itself is called six pains but their powers are the paths of pain(deva, human, hell, preta etc.).
People speculated that the Six path jutsus referred to Nagato's jutsu in which they were wrong because at that time (2010-2012) they though that six path powers, jutsus, and chakra all meant the Rinnegan. That's why for years people didn't believe that you can obtain six path chakra/power without the rinnegan. Now we know it's the complete opposite and at times the six path powers can refer to rinnegan, chakra or senjutsu.
Same thing when Madara said shadow and light style, people thought it was the jyubi jinchuuriki truth seeking orbs that was used in the war. Obviously it was not because madara never even used senjutsu before let alone six path senjutsu so being able to teach a chakra that you've never had or seen before doesn't make sense.
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Rikudou Tobi
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i know he absorbed but I don't want to get into a conversation on what type of absorption power that is. Same thing applies to Momoshiki's rinnegan absorption power, I'm not gonna call that Preta either.
As for chibaku tensei that's not a Deva power, that's just a rinnegan power outside of the six main powers of pain.
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Literally the deva power can only be accessed by one with the Rinnegan. As it says there, in both of those cases, someone had the Rinnegan; Hagoromo And Sasuke. Unfortunately it’s undebatable.
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Your premise doesn't make sense from a writing perspective though.
Why would Madara's and Sasuke's absorption just be some generic absorption when there was already an established rinnegan technique (preta) that served the same purpose by the time Madara debuted and by the time Sasuke awakened the rinnegan? Like do you actually think that when Kishi drew the scene of Madara absorbing Onoki's jinton that Kishi thought in his mind "hmm... I better make this absorption weaker than Preta path for no reason whatsoever"?
If not Deva, then what do you call Madara bringing down that meteor?
Finally, why would Kishi give Madara and Sasuke practically useless rinnegan eyes with almost no real offensive ability? That is what leaves the worst taste in my mouth when it comes to your belief about Nagato being the only one that can use Deva, Preta, etc...
If you are to be taken as correct then Madara and Sasuke's rinnegan eyes might as well be contact lenses when it comes to battle power, because they are near useless by your logic.
Let's look at your description of Sasuke's paths for example:
1. Bijuu vessel susanoo
Ok, so you're telling me that one of Sasuke's "six paths" can't even be used outside of the rare case when the bijuus are around? BS, but ok... Let's move on
2. Indra's arrow
That requires the bijuu perfect susanoo, so this has the same flaw as above! He'd be better off just using chidori related techniques. Heck, he already showed that he could use chidori with susanoo before he absorbed the bijuus. Great so now 2/6 of his paths are rendered a flop. Keep in mind that this is already a third of them.
3. Dimensional Portal: Cool for travel or for investigating other dimensions, but has almost zero battle application. That's 3/6 down.
4. Amenotejikara: Not really an offensive technique by nature, but could be dangerous if used strategically or for blitzing.
5. Chibaku tensei
6. Absorption (apparently less than preta for whatever reason)
So you are basically saying that Kishi basically only gave Sasuke two offensive techniques (that can't really be spammed) as his rinnegan techniques, and he made half of his arsenal a flop that can rarely be used? He did arguably even worse to Madara. Yet he gave a borrowed rinnegan user 6 actually useful techniques for battle?
BS!
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Chibaku tensei is not the power of Deva, Chibaku tensei is just the power of the rinnegan. Deva paths powers is to control the magnetic forces of attraction by pushing and pulling. It's one power. Tendo path only has one power, that's it. I even showed you the Databook in which it listed Chibaku tensei as a different power than Tendo.
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I know that Deva path is from the rinnegan too, nagato created this pain power because of the rinnegan. Tendo realm in the databook is listed as Nagato as the sole user. I didn't see Sasuke, Madara, or Hagormoo.
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You need to know that every rinnegan user have their own different realm even Madara's Limbo Hengoku is from a different realm:
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Also know that the Six paths of Pain are all of the Rinnegan’s 6 Path powers in corpses that are controlled by Nagato, that he specifically named his PATHS OF PAIN. The Corpses are utilizing the Rinnegan’s Six Paths Abilities which ALL Kekkei genkai Rinnegan bearers have been seen to display.
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By the way, here is 100% proof that "Pain's" techniques are not actually exclusive to Nagato, but come with the rinnegan (or at the very least Madara's rinnegan).
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Here is a link to the scan just in case the picture doesn't work.
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Rikudou Tobi
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You're using wikipedia? It literally has the words FANDOM written on the front page. Why didn't you just read the manga I sent you? Or ask for the pages?
It’s not Wikipedia and the information there isn’t refutable. It’s all there in an organized fashion with excerpts from Databooks and manga panels. Nothing is false there. But I can’t make you believe it, so I end it here.
Yet the eyes share common characteristics between them, for example the genjutsu the sharingan user can cast, or even the trait of analyzing muscle movement in detail, so it checks out that the eyes have generic jutsus to them all. Also, he was called the sage of the "six paths" ... do you really believe that to be a coincidence?
Also, Kaguya said that "Indra descendant has Amaterasu" (so taking him to the ice dimension won't do, bla bla bla), so if she knew it clearly this isn't the first time Amaterasu was used and it was used by someone else besides Itachi / Sasuke in the past.
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Wikipedia is a fandom organized by base members on what they believe is accurate or not. Look at the bottom of the page of the very wikipedia you posted towards me. The term Six path Techniques is linked to the chapter 606 page 14. Where Madara told Obito that he will teach him the jutsus of six paths.
What does that have to do with the rinnegan? There's a reason why people don't use wikipedia as a factual source. Look at their reference page. I can literally show you a mistake on that page right now if you want me to.
Exactly, the generic jutsus in the Kekkei genkai version of the Rinnegan (because Momoshiki’s KKM has displayed entirely different feats) are the Deva, Naraka, Preta, Human, Animal, Asura And outer paths. The problem with that is that Nagato was the only one to use them all but since they were done with Madara’s eyes, then he can definitely use them. The same can’t be said about Sasuke though. Now techniques such as “Limbo, Amenotejikara, etc.” can be classified as the “MS version” of the Rinnegan’s abilities. In which they differ for each individual user.
Rikudou Tobi
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Which is the error I wanted to point out. They said that you can use shurado, Ningendo, Shinra tensei etc. with the black rods that came out of naval of the hashirama clone.
That's wrong. You can't use any of those pain jutsus without the rinnegan. And neither did Madara and Obito have the rinnegan in the first place either.
They're (wikipedia) confusing Six path jutsus with Six path of pain's jutsu.
No you are twisting facts here, there's no such thing as "paths of pain"
Yes there's a lot of six paths related things in this manga
there's is
Six Paths Senjutsu
Six Paths Sage Mode
Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal
Six Paths — Chibaku Tensei
Six Paths Technique - Those are the Rinnegan 7 paths which every Rinnegan users should have access to
Six Paths of Pain - Controlling corpses through the use of the Outer Path, used by Nagato and then Tobi
probably some more but anyways...
Six Paths Technique are Rinnegan's 7 paths, Nagato was using 6 of them through Pain bodies with the use of the 7th path - Outer Path hence why he was called 7th Pain by Konan.