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There are some stuff i noticed about vs section and the arguements. I am going over some points i have made; if you find any one of them lacks something or plain wrong; just post, i am open to critisizm as long as a certain amount of respect is held. I am a human; i may have very well made some mistakes but reasoning before posting stuff like "lol 'your' an idiot" would be a lot better.

I am going over some points:
1) One-shot attacks.

Ex: A touch from gentle fist can injure or kill anyone (i am going with this one; since it is somehow always used in Hinata vs threads)

Of course it is. It is an attack of a ninja; its purpose to harm. A kunai can slice anyone's throat, a Konoha Senpu on the head can break a skull, a shruken to heart might be the end, a Tsukiyomi will rape the opponent. That's the purpose. It does not mean the opponent will just stand there waiting for an attack. They are ninja. They run, evade, dodge, block, shield, use defensive techs or do their own offensive techs since they are ninja in fighting position.

2) Filler arguements

They are not canon. Deal with it. If we are on the manga's vs section; anime should not be count since some people are only reading manga and they do not have to know about filler techs which some can be defined as "asspull"; but asspull or not; the battles only take place with manga techs since as i said; many others do not have to be aware of filer techs.

3) X does not have counter to Y

It generally goes back to 1st point. This arguements have almost no basis. One has no counter against a killer move if the the move can be done succesfully; and the quality of that move effects the result. This statement is generally used by fanboys or fangirls.

4) Blocking, dodging and speed

Blocking is not making someone on par in terms of speed. Dodging>Blocking when it comes to speed; look at this example:

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As seen; Sasuke says something like "i can not dodge it, so i should block"; it means dodging is something require more speed rather than blocking. I have seen ones said Madara is as fast as A since he blocked A's attack...

About dodging; the distance really matters in performing such thing. One can dodge something faster than him/her. For example a car is coming at you at 50 km in an hour. By given distance; you can step aside; which means "dodging", it is not that different than evading an attack; attack is also something that comes an opponent in a certain speed and distance. But if the same car is much closer, you are doomed since you are not fast enough to step aside. Now this is not seen much in the manga since they are generally close in combat; but distance matters when it comes to dodging.

5) Databooks

Are they canon? It really differs, but we can say that it is partly canon since Kishimoto wrote them. But it does not provide certain arguements when it comes to people close in stats and feats. It would not be correct to say X has better databook stats combination than Y; so X is stronger/wins. Their techs and effectiveness differs; some ninja in the manga are more capable in defeating the opponent even they have lower stats.

6) X sees Y; so X defeats

This is used in doujutsu arguements (byakugan and sharingan). Seeing equals awareness if one can comprehend with what is going on; and awareness might not cause action in situations which the opponent get overpowered. Ex: X's byakugan can see 10 kms away, fighting distance is 300 meters; X sees Y before so X wins. This ain't matter; if one can not overpower the enemy; what is point of noticing, seeing and getting close? A fodder nin can see the meteor which is about to land on his head; does that mean he/she will definetely counter? Look at this example; if one does not have required skills to overpower; there is no result of seeing or even awareness:

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That's it; if you did not read; i put the required gif for you; cuz i am that good.
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Now if you can explain how you can dodge Totsuka?
Nothing wrong with the 1 shot jutsu- they are meant to be

Did i ever get into Totsuka? I am going over general arguements here.
And most of the time ninja do not pull out their one-shot techs from the beginning.
 

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Many of these points are subjective & youre considering variables that we have no control over...

Filler arguments & XYZ arguments are the only ones that I 100% agree with
 

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Many of these points are subjective & youre considering variables that we have no control over...

Filler arguments & XYZ arguments are the only ones that I 100% agree with

Exactly; many things vary but they got completely ignored...
My most arguements were XYZ; so you disagree with the databook situation and speed arguements?
 

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Exactly; many things vary but they got completely ignored...
My most arguements were XYZ; so you disagree with the databook situation and speed arguements?

the databook should be taken to fact unless its been contradicted.

The other examples rely heavily on variables, & thats why I only measure core speed. Because if the speed of a character is considerably higher than the other's, then chances are that character is going to win most of the time (regardless of blocking, or dodging feats). Theres also the possibility of defenses that have to be considered in speed as well.

Same with 1-shots, if theyre considerably more effective & versatile then that character is more than likely able to beat the other.
 

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the databook should be taken to fact unless its been contradicted.

The other examples rely heavily on variables, & thats why I only measure core speed. Because if the speed of a character is considerably higher than the other's, then chances are that character is going to win most of the time (regardless of blocking, or dodging feats). Theres also the possibility of defenses that have to be considered in speed as well.

Same with 1-shots, if theyre considerably more effective & versatile then that character is more than likely able to beat the other.

Yeah; i agree with most of them; but i am sick of seeing arguements such as "a touch from gentle fist kills; so Hinata wins" in many vs threads; 1-shots can be effective; but com to think of it every ninja has something can be considered as 1 shot; even a kunai can very well kill someone; but sometimes people fanboy in an unblievable level, and it gives results to debates such as linked in the second quote in my sig U_U.
 

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Yeah; i agree with most of them; but i am sick of seeing arguements such as "a touch from gentle fist kills; so Hinata wins" in many vs threads; 1-shots can be effective; but com to think of it every ninja has something can be considered as 1 shot; even a kunai can very well kill someone; but sometimes people fanboy in an unblievable level, and it gives results to debates such as linked in the second quote in my sig U_U.

Lol I just noticed the sig XD

Yeah I do agree, you do have to consider the conditions of a fight to a point, a kunai obviously wouldnt kill a high level ninja, & neither would a gentle fist strike. People who think so lack the common sense to see clearly & should have no place debating about characters.
 
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