about Neji beating EMS Sasuke

[NarutoX28]

The Hyugas are clearly depicted as a powerful clan and their abilities are highly respected, enough for Kumogakure to risk starting a War between Konoha just to obtain the Byakugan's secrets. Nonetheless, manga makes it clear that the Uchiha and Senju are the Hyuga's superiors, so if anything, the Hyuga's were known as the strongest clan alive once the Uchihas and Senjus had died off.

As for the topic, Neji obviously cannot compete with EMS Sasuke. EMS Sasuke was praised by Tobirama, Orochimaru, Obito, and Madara. What sort of praise does Neji have that even suggests he's on EMS Sasuke's level?

 

[Aznkidd]

The Hyugas are clearly depicted as a powerful clan and their abilities are highly respected, enough for Kumogakure to risk starting a War between Konoha just to obtain the Byakugan's secrets. Nonetheless, manga makes it clear that the Uchiha and Senju are the Hyuga's superiors, so if anything, the Hyuga's were known as the strongest clan alive once the Uchihas and Senjus had died off.

As for the topic, Neji obviously cannot compete with EMS Sasuke. EMS Sasuke was praised by Tobirama, Orochimaru, Obito, and Madara. What sort of praise does Neji have that even suggests he's on EMS Sasuke's level?

tbh, EMS Sasuke was more laughable than the other EMS user. Madara strike him down with 1 easy stab by his own sword.....
But EMS is the power of two, so it doesnt count vs Neji, who at the time has 0 power up and his sensei focused only on Lee and most of his skill are self learned.

So people saying Neji is stronger than Sasuke by nature is not wrong.

 

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This reached 4 pages, amazing. :elmo:

 

[King Of Pop]

tbh, EMS Sasuke was more laughable than the other EMS user. Madara strike him down with 1 easy stab by his own sword.....
But EMS is the power of two, so it doesnt count vs Neji, who at the time has 0 power up and his sensei focused only on Lee and most of his skill are self learned.

So people saying Neji is stronger than Sasuke by nature is not wrong.

whats laughable is your response as usual. bringing in madara when he has nothing to do with this and sasuke was defeated by Rinnegan madara not Ems madara troll.

Hebi sasuke beats Neji med dif max. he outclasses him completely so saying Ems is unfair is irrelevant when sasuke desnt need his MS power to shit all over neji

bold. considering you are a garbage troll of course the ones who say neji is stronger would not be wrong to you smh. just stop posting already since your posts are always cancer

 

[NarutoX28]

tbh, EMS Sasuke was more laughable than the other EMS user. Madara strike him down with 1 easy stab by his own sword.....
But EMS is the power of two, so it doesnt count vs Neji, who at the time has 0 power up and his sensei focused only on Lee and most of his skill are self learned.

So people saying Neji is stronger than Sasuke by nature is not wrong.

EMS is still treated as a natural power-up as the Uchiha's eyes naturally evolve through obtaining their brother's eyes.

And no, MS Sasuke slaughters Neji, that's not even up for debate.

 

[Aznkidd]

whats laughable is your response as usual. bringing in madara when he has nothing to do with this and sasuke was defeated by Rinnegan madara not Ems madara troll.

Hebi sasuke beats Neji med dif max. he outclasses him completely so saying Ems is unfair is irrelevant when sasuke desnt need his MS power to shit all over neji

bold. considering you are a garbage troll of course the ones who say neji is stronger would not be wrong to you smh. just stop posting already since your posts are always cancer

what part of the bold part do you not understand ? :lol
maybe the time for you to wank back to the manga and see your fav screaming for power and beg for it ?

the legendary copy ninja was his sensei and he focused like 80% of time to teach Sasuke in part 1
before he even join academy, he has a brother (the one who was strong enough to take down the entire Uchiha clan with help from another teenager.....) taught him various of skill
clan leader of Uchiha is his father and he manage to taught his son Katon
later one of the legendary Sannin gave him curse seal and some pills then taught him
in the end, his brother even gave him amaterasu then both of his eyes........


Now tell me genius, who has ever taught Neji anything useful ?
Who give Neji power other than himself ?

Talk with brain not with ur a$$ next ok ?! :lol

 

[King Of Pop]

what part of the bold part do you not understand ? :lol
maybe the time for you to wank back to the manga and see your fav screaming for power and beg for it ?

the legendary copy ninja was his sensei and he focused like 80% of time to teach Sasuke in part 1
before he even join academy, he has a brother (the one who was strong enough to take down the entire Uchiha clan with help from another teenager.....) taught him various of skill
clan leader of Uchiha is his father and he manage to taught his son Katon
later one of the legendary Sannin gave him curse seal and some pills then taught him
in the end, his brother even gave him amaterasu then both of his eyes........


Now tell me genius, who has ever taught Neji anything useful ?
Who give Neji power other than himself ?

Talk with brain not with ur a$$ next ok ?! :lol

i dont care about any of this. who is stronger between both of them period. stop telling me who sasuke learned from and what not as thats irrelevant.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Exactly Sasuke blitzs this clown. The strongest person Neji ever beat his life was a bunch of zetsus

so kidomaru is weaker than fodder zetsus now?...lolololol

 

[Aznkidd]

i dont care about any of this. who is stronger between both of them period. stop telling me who sasuke learned from and what not as thats irrelevant.

i said by nature Neji is stronger since he learned everything by himself, while Sasuke got fed with diamond spoon...

 

[Math42]

what part of the bold part do you not understand ? :lol
maybe the time for you to wank back to the manga and see your fav screaming for power and beg for it ?

the legendary copy ninja was his sensei and he focused like 80% of time to teach Sasuke in part 1
before he even join academy, he has a brother (the one who was strong enough to take down the entire Uchiha clan with help from another teenager.....) taught him various of skill
clan leader of Uchiha is his father and he manage to taught his son Katon
later one of the legendary Sannin gave him curse seal and some pills then taught him
in the end, his brother even gave him amaterasu then both of his eyes........


Now tell me genius, who has ever taught Neji anything useful ?
Who give Neji power other than himself ?

Talk with brain not with ur a$$ next ok ?! :lol

Regardless, according to Kishimoto:

Third databook statistics(I believe that they are slightly flawed)
Sasuke Uchiha(Hebi):
Ninjutsu-5 Taijutsu-3.5 Genjutsu-4 Intelligence-3.5 Strength-3.5 Speed-4.5 Stamina-3.5 Hand seals-4
Neji Hyuuga:
Ninjutsu-4 Taijutsu-4.5 Genjutsu-2 Intelligence-3 Strength-2.5 Speed-4.5 Stamina-3.5 Hand seals-3

Thus Sasuke Uchiha during the formation of the Team Hebi would be relatively on par with teenage Neji.

Neji should not be underestimated, and they were both considered "geniuses."

 

[King Of Pop]

i said by nature Neji is stronger since he learned everything by himself, while Sasuke got fed with diamond spoon...

only desperate clowns use the "character x is stronger by nature logic" lol just stop. i dont care about any of that

 

[Aznkidd]

Regardless, according to Kishimoto:

Third databook statistics(I believe that they are slightly flawed)
Sasuke Uchiha(Hebi):
Ninjutsu-5 Taijutsu-3.5 Genjutsu-4 Intelligence-3.5 Strength-3.5 Speed-4.5 Stamina-3.5 Hand seals-4
Neji Hyuuga:
Ninjutsu-4 Taijutsu-4.5 Genjutsu-2 Intelligence-3 Strength-2.5 Speed-4.5 Stamina-3.5 Hand seals-3

Thus Sasuke Uchiha during the formation of the Team Hebi would be relatively on par with teenage Neji.

Neji should not be underestimated, and they were both considered "geniuses."

if Tsunade after healing Neji then become his teacher, i think Neji would've been on par with ems user.

Medic is like forbidden for Byakugan user :lol too haxxed as Byakugan user know more about body, weakness in general...

for example tsunade crippled Kabuto with just a hit and it completely change his body function :lol
and Neji has feat to shoot chakra at Kidoumaru like few meters away. combined will be very haxxed ability...

 

[Zerox553]

if Tsunade after healing Neji then become his teacher, i think Neji would've been on par with ems user.

Medic is like forbidden for Byakugan user :lol too haxxed as Byakugan user know more about body, weakness in general...

for example tsunade crippled Kabuto with just a hit and it completely change his body function :lol
and Neji has feat to shoot chakra at Kidoumaru like few meters away. combined will be very haxxed ability...

So, fanfic basically XD. Did you just use actual fanfic feats to gauge how potentially strong neji could be if he had tsunade as a teacher...... I'm at a loss for words.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

And that there is most likely the max the can get powerwise. Though I consider that a feat i'm also sure others did the same with wind techniques if i'm not mistaken.

That's why I said we can't believe Kakashi since even he didn't know anything.

Well he was referring to the Uchiha in general. If he was talking about the overall strength/abilities and Uchiha still are considered stronger then a 3T Uchiha > Hyuga to Kakashi since Uchiha's hardly awakened MS.

Using gentle fists style is easy to read that's why it's still deadly if it hits but 64 palm is faster and overall better. But that's just basic offense/taijutsu they have no defences for fire style jutsu's and techniques like burning ash without rotation.

If that's the case then I take that back but it seemed possible he could.

I'm just going to drop this unless fire Style is not made from Chakra and get the same treatment

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[unknownvillain1254]

EMS is still treated as a natural power-up as the Uchiha's eyes naturally evolve through obtaining their brother's eyes.

And no, MS Sasuke slaughters Neji, that's not even up for debate.

That called borrowed power and that's why the technique was forbidden there's nothing natural about it

 

[unknownvillain1254]

:lol You always got shit to say. And you should be the last person talking about fanfic.

Ok I'm drop more fanfic

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I'm going to ask u what power do the uchiha to stop this effect?

 

[Exaar]

The history as far back as Kaguya/Hagoromo/Hamura no not even Indra and Ashura since all he said was wrong. Which even then if we go by his words Hyuga still isn't the strongest.

His words his coincide with the Hyuuga's claim which is far more than what was said about any other clan at the time.

Well no one really knew of MS at that time it seemed unless Kakashi or whoever read the stone tablet which no one can unless they have Sharingan. When Itachi first used Tsykuyomi on Kakashi did Kakashi know it was MS? Probably not because later in part 2 he said he awakened a new jutsu and want to test it out. Then he told the fake Itachi how much have his eyes deteriorated again he just awakened MS so how did he know of it's effects? The only way is if he read the tablet or his MS as soon as he used it went blurry a bit.

Actually people did know of MS, especially the higher ups like Hiruzen, Danzo and most likely the elders too and other villages higher ups/kage. Most likely includes some of the elite shinobi. You don't really need MS to know about it. It could simply be in top secret files or Hiruzen could've been told about the uchiha's power when he was being trained my Tobirama/Hashirama and leaked that information to those he trusted.

Kakahsi knew of MS, That much is clear from his reaction upon itachi stating he will show him the reason why the uchiha were so feared. When he showed up he didn't immediately panic and tell them to close their eyes when 3tomoe was active, it was only when his MS activated.

Well a Hyuga never shown elemental techniques though. It seems all Hyuga members rely on their own kkg and fighting style instead.

They train in elements though, I think the 4th databook showed that neji has like 3.

Anyway, Yes it makes sense for the main branch to focus more on their gentle fist due to them having access to the clans more powerful techniques but the branch family due to restrictions can make up for it with elements and such.

Like if an Uchiha use Sharingan windmill triple attack on a branch member how will they get out of it alive? Or even dodge it if they're reading the opponent's movement's and blocking the path with strings/wire?

Well that depends on the speed/strength of said branch member.

Besides then jutsu's wiki description is

Spoiler

The user first attaches strings beforehand onto the tossed shuriken and kunai thrown after it, then one shuriken is pulled back using a tree as an axis, based on the yo-yo's principle. The other shuriken and kunai are decoys, and the true attack is the shuriken that is pulled back using the force of the thrown kunai. The trick in making this technique successful is to somehow be able to read the enemy's movements, which normally would require the Sharingan.

Well from sasuke's feat in the Forrest, The attack works on placing the thrown shuriken/Kunai into the oponents blind spots, which hyuuga don't have besides a very small one which no one really knows of.

As Oro said here

Spoiler

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Unlike Oro, Hyuuga can see around them and will know all locations of these shuriken at all times and they due to their byakugans vision that can most likely see the threads attached to them aswell. Plus from that scan i would hardly say them wires restrict movement enough to cause problems since it's only 1 string per weapon thrown, so unless they're like tenten and can suummon a shit ton all with threads attached and throw them at once, Maneuvering around them shouldn't be a massive problem

 

[Aznkidd]

So, fanfic basically XD. Did you just use actual fanfic feats to gauge how potentially strong neji could be if he had tsunade as a teacher...... I'm at a loss for words.

:lol i was talking to him about "if" Neji ever had a real teacher who is willingly to teach him "something" case.

learn to read properly next :lol

otherwise the other debate is pretty over with the manga fact said Neji skill was self taught while Sasuke's skill was free given, taught by many legendary, pills..... which come down to conclusion Neji is stronger by NATURE if Sasuke has to get power by his own like how Neji did with his.

 

[Simbv]

Did anyone actually say that EMS would lose against Neji? Or was it two people arguing for a couple pages and someone got salty and created a separate thread? Neji has a pretty good chance with Hebi Sasuke and you would be ignorant to think otherwise. EMS Sasuke obviously stomps Neji with the force of an elephant.

Most Hyuga fans wine about them being nerfed and forgotten about, because they ultimately were. Part 1 hyped up the Hyuga clan so much with Kakashi's statements and with Neji, the genius of the Hyuga clan who was without argument top 4 strongest genin back in part 1. I had my hopes up for the Hyuga to get mad development waaay back when i started watching part 2 and i was hyped to see Neji getting some screen time early part 2. But what happened after that? The entirety of the Hyuga clan was thrown to the side like a common house fly and their genius along with it. Blame Kishi, blame his editors, blame somebody because IMO this was a bad choice.

There are only 3 dojutsus in the ENTIRE Naruto world, and to somehow forget about one is blasphemous. Especially when it was the original eye of Kaguya, the otsutsuki(butchered the spelling) and possibly The SO6P(not likely). Yes i am a salty Hyuga Fan, but i was salty of the focus on the Uchiha in general in Part two. They were overdeveloped and wanked too much when you had other interesting clans to develop. Such as the Hyuga,Uzumaki,Senju,Aburame, etc. The Name of part two shouldn't have been Naruto Shippuden, but Naruto Uchiha Chronicles.

All in all, blame Kishi and his editors.

:lol i was talking to him about "if" Neji ever had a real teacher who is willingly to teach him "something" case.

learn to read properly next :lol

otherwise the other debate is pretty over with the manga fact said Neji skill was self taught while Sasuke's skill was free given, taught by many legendary, pills..... which come down to conclusion Neji is stronger by NATURE if Sasuke has to get power by his own like how Neji did with his.

Its highly implied Neji started training with Hiashi after the Chunin Finals. IF not he definitely was training with Hiashi at the end of part 1. But i get what you mean,before that NEji had basically no sensei in terms of techinques and jutsu, seems to me like Gai would only improve his physical strength and stamina since his style of Taijutsu is literally the opposite of Neji's.

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[Aznkidd]

Did anyone actually say that EMS would lose against Neji? Or was it two people arguing for a couple pages and someone got salty and created a separate thread? Neji has a pretty good chance with Hebi Sasuke and you would be ignorant to think otherwise. EMS Sasuke obviously stomps Neji with the force of an elephant.

Most Hyuga fans wine about them being nerfed and forgotten about, because they ultimately were. Part 1 hyped up the Hyuga clan so much with Kakashi's statements and with Neji, the genius of the Hyuga clan who was without argument top 4 strongest genin back in part 1. I had my hopes up for the Hyuga to get mad development waaay back when i started watching part 2 and i was hyped to see Neji getting some screen time early part 2. But what happened after that? The entirety of the Hyuga clan was thrown to the side like a common house fly and their genius along with it. Blame Kishi, blame his editors, blame somebody because IMO this was a bad choice.

There are only 3 dojutsus in the ENTIRE Naruto world, and to somehow forget about one is blasphemous. Especially when it was the original eye of Kaguya, the otsutsuki(butchered the spelling) and possibly The SO6P(not likely). Yes i am a salty Hyuga Fan, but i was salty of the focus on the Uchiha in general in Part two. They were overdeveloped and wanked too much when you had other interesting clans to develop. Such as the Hyuga,Uzumaki,Senju,Aburame, etc. The Name of part two shouldn't have been Naruto Shippuden, but Naruto Uchiha Chronicles.

All in all, blame Kishi and his editors.



Its highly implied Neji started training with Hiashi after the Chunin Finals. IF not he definitely was training with Hiashi at the end of part 1. But i get what you mean,before that NEji had basically no sensei in terms of techinques and jutsu, seems to me like Gai would only improve his physical strength and stamina since his style of Taijutsu is literally the opposite of Neji's.

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that is just keep in check training like a normal kungfu trainee doing every day to not forgot their muscle of fighting art :lol
children in academy doing pretty same as to throw kunai and shuriken daily :lol

the proper training that Sasuke got was totally on whole new level. For example chidori is a new tech, kirin is a new tech, curse mark control, snake summon.... those tech are new elements to the game.
what you are showing is just everyday training of a normal kungfu trainee/master would've done to keep their muscle in check and their skill combat not become dull

I recommend you doing some research on it next time.