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Can Luffy 1 shot Lucci?
What is the strongest attack Lucci can withstand without dying/passing out?
Does Jet Hawk 1 shot?
Can Sanji 1 shot with Diable?
Can Franky 1 shot with Radical beam?
Can Lucci's attack deflector technique deflect a current Jet Pistol?

W/O Haki.

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Can Luffy 1 shot Lucci?
What is the strongest attack Lucci can withstand without dying/passing out?
Does Jet Hawk 1 shot?
Can Sanji 1 shot with Diable?
Can Franky 1 shot with Radical beam?
Can Lucci's attack deflector technique deflect a current Jet Pistol?

W/O Haki.

Thanks.
Without Buso Haki Luffy pwns low diff with is a oneshot easy
So does Zoro w/o
Yes Red Hawk oneshots
Sanji don't know about oneshot.
Franky yeah if Lucci stands still
Jet Pistol maybe Hyozu blocked Jet Pistol
 
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Without Buso Haki Luffy pwns low diff with is a oneshot easy
So does Zoro w/o
Yes Red Hawk oneshots
Sanji don't know about oneshot.
Franky yeah if Lucci stands still
Jet Pistol maybe Hyozu blocked Jet Pistol
Sanji broke a pacifistas neck with one kick, of course he one shots.

OP: yeah Lucci gets one shotted by everything listed.
 

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Sanji broke a pacifistas neck with one kick, of course he one shots.

OP: yeah Lucci gets one shotted by everything listed.
Power is one thing, but in speed Lucci is about as fast as pre timeskip luffy :| I don't really know how fast Sanji is
 

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Can Luffy 1 shot Lucci?
What is the strongest attack Lucci can withstand without dying/passing out?
Does Jet Hawk 1 shot?
Can Sanji 1 shot with Diable?
Can Franky 1 shot with Radical beam?
Can Lucci's attack deflector technique deflect a current Jet Pistol?

W/O Haki.

Thanks.
Anyone can be one shot if hit with a deadly move, for example Black Beard was one shotted by Magellan. It depends on strength and preparation
 

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Lucci is a master of Gepou and can use soru in conjunction so how is Sanji faster. Sanji only has Sky walk which operates on his own base speed :|
Sanji already could keep up with Jyabura's soru pre-skip. That was before he ran two years and got even faster than fishmen under water.

Pretty obvious that Sanji is faster than Lucci after skip.

on-topic: Luffy beat Lucci, The entire crew could barely beat one pacifista one sabaody, So Luffy, Sanji and Franky can all beat Lucci without trouble.

But that is because shounen story lines are broken, every villain is stronger than the next. And it makes look guys like Enel and Lucci like dumbasses in retrospect compared to current normal power level guys.

So this comparison should never be made, because when Lucci comes back he will be Luffy level again. That's why this doesn't work.
 

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Sanji already could keep up with Jyabura's soru pre-skip. That was before he ran two years and got even faster than fishmen under water.

Pretty obvious that Sanji is faster than Lucci after skip.

on-topic: Luffy beat Lucci, The entire crew could barely beat one pacifista one sabaody, So Luffy, Sanji and Franky can all beat Lucci without trouble.

But that is because shounen story lines are broken, every villain is stronger than the next. And it makes look guys like Enel and Lucci like dumbasses in retrospect compared to current normal power level guys.

So this comparison should never be made, because when Lucci comes back he will be Luffy level again. That's why this doesn't work.
Lucci at that point was more than twice as strong as Jyabura. I am not saying u r wrong that Sanji can beat Lucci, but without comparable speed feats I can't say Sanji out paces Lucci to get the ones shot :|
 

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Sanji already could keep up with Jyabura's soru pre-skip. That was before he ran two years and got even faster than fishmen under water.

Pretty obvious that Sanji is faster than Lucci after skip.

on-topic: Luffy beat Lucci, The entire crew could barely beat one pacifista one sabaody, So Luffy, Sanji and Franky can all beat Lucci without trouble.

But that is because shounen story lines are broken, every villain is stronger than the next. And it makes look guys like Enel and Lucci like dumbasses in retrospect compared to current normal power level guys.

So this comparison should never be made, because when Lucci comes back he will be Luffy level again. That's why this doesn't work.
I doubt Lucci will be Luffy level again, well maybe much later. I see no reason for him to be that strong unless he's going to become main villain again. He will be M3 level I bet for now, but stronger I doubt. As the series goes on even further I believe Luffy should leave his Pre ts enemies behind. It shows real progress imo. But for now I say they are close but once Luffy starts beating top tiers I'm sure the gap will be huge. It would be stupid if every villain Luffy beat and struggled with had his same growth rate especially till EOS.
 

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Lucci at that point was more than twice as strong as Jyabura. I am not saying u r wrong that Sanji can beat Lucci, but without comparable speed feats I can't say Sanji out paces Lucci to get the ones shot :|
Twice as strong doesn't mean twice as fast. Or is Usain Bolt the strongest man in the world ?

All the soru and geppou looked pretty comparable. Luffy kept up with Blueno about the same as he did with Lucci. Just on the edge of following them in gear 2.

And there is no comparable speat feat, there is a superior speed feat. Sanji outpaces a fishman underwater.

I doubt Lucci will be Luffy level again, well maybe much later. I see no reason for him to be that strong unless he's going to become main villain again. He will be M3 level I bet for now, but stronger I doubt. As the series goes on even further I believe Luffy should leave his Pre ts enemies behind. It shows real progress imo. But for now I say they are close but once Luffy starts beating top tiers I'm sure the gap will be huge. It would be stupid if every villain Luffy beat and struggled with had his same growth rate especially till EOS.
You don't get what I was saying.

I'm not saying Lucci will be back as a villain, but in shounen if he does he will be stronger than Luffy again. But that wouldn't make any sense because that would make him exponentially stronger than his former self. But his former self trained day an night to reach that level.

That's why it doesn't show progress. Because Morgan and Kuro were also real fights once but now they would get beat by fodder because the powerscale shifted to a new level.

That's why you can't pit someone like franky against Lucci. Because current Franky would curbstomp him according to current feats but realistically Lucci should be superior to Franky at all times.

Oda's power scale (and Naruto and Bleach and Fairy Tail and Dragon Ball and almost every other manga) goes like:

Enemy 1 power 1
Enemy 2 power 10
Enemy 3 power 100
Enemy 4 power 1000
Enemy 5 power 10000

This is fine if you want cool fights and new upgrades and growth, but you can't compare protagonists to the beginning of the story anymore.

Realistic powerscaling would be more like:

Enemy 1 power 100
Enemy 2 power 104
Enemy 3 power 110
Enemy 4 power 112
Enemy 1 power 115

Where you have a steady growth through the arcs, and where enemy 1 even could be a match for enemy 5 who is the big bad. But this is more the stuff you see in books and movies where the hero doesn't evolve every fight.
 

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Twice as strong doesn't mean twice as fast. Or is Usain Bolt the strongest man in the world ?

All the soru and geppou looked pretty comparable. Luffy kept up with Blueno about the same as he did with Lucci. Just on the edge of following them in gear 2.

And there is no comparable speat feat, there is a superior speed feat. Sanji outpaces a fishman underwater.



You don't get what I was saying.

I'm not saying Lucci will be back as a villain, but in shounen if he does he will be stronger than Luffy again. But that wouldn't make any sense because that would make him exponentially stronger than his former self. But his former self trained day an night to reach that level.

That's why it doesn't show progress. Because Morgan and Kuro were also real fights once but now they would get beat by fodder because the powerscale shifted to a new level.

That's why you can't pit someone like franky against Lucci. Because current Franky would curbstomp him according to current feats but realistically Lucci should be superior to Franky at all times.

Oda's power scale (and Naruto and Bleach and Fairy Tail and Dragon Ball and almost every other manga) goes like:

Enemy 1 power 1
Enemy 2 power 10
Enemy 3 power 100
Enemy 4 power 1000
Enemy 5 power 10000

This is fine if you want cool fights and new upgrades and growth, but you can't compare protagonists to the beginning of the story anymore.

Realistic powerscaling would be more like:

Enemy 1 power 100
Enemy 2 power 104
Enemy 3 power 110
Enemy 4 power 112
Enemy 1 power 115

Where you have a steady growth through the arcs, and where enemy 1 even could be a match for enemy 5 who is the big bad. But this is more the stuff you see in books and movies where the hero doesn't evolve every fight.
Luffy was completely outpacing Blueno, while Lucci was able to keep up with Luffy physically.
 

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Twice as strong doesn't mean twice as fast. Or is Usain Bolt the strongest man in the world ?

All the soru and geppou looked pretty comparable. Luffy kept up with Blueno about the same as he did with Lucci. Just on the edge of following them in gear 2.

And there is no comparable speat feat, there is a superior speed feat. Sanji outpaces a fishman underwater.



You don't get what I was saying.

I'm not saying Lucci will be back as a villain, but in shounen if he does he will be stronger than Luffy again. But that wouldn't make any sense because that would make him exponentially stronger than his former self. But his former self trained day an night to reach that level.

That's why it doesn't show progress. Because Morgan and Kuro were also real fights once but now they would get beat by fodder because the powerscale shifted to a new level.

That's why you can't pit someone like franky against Lucci. Because current Franky would curbstomp him according to current feats but realistically Lucci should be superior to Franky at all times.

Oda's power scale (and Naruto and Bleach and Fairy Tail and Dragon Ball and almost every other manga) goes like:

Enemy 1 power 1
Enemy 2 power 10
Enemy 3 power 100
Enemy 4 power 1000
Enemy 5 power 10000

This is fine if you want cool fights and new upgrades and growth, but you can't compare protagonists to the beginning of the story anymore.

Realistic powerscaling would be more like:

Enemy 1 power 100
Enemy 2 power 104
Enemy 3 power 110
Enemy 4 power 112
Enemy 1 power 115

Where you have a steady growth through the arcs, and where enemy 1 even could be a match for enemy 5 who is the big bad. But this is more the stuff you see in books and movies where the hero doesn't evolve every fight.
This is so true and I completely agree.
 

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Luffy was completely outpacing Blueno, while Lucci was able to keep up with Luffy physically.
Wrong, Luffy could just keep up with Blueno he still had to make an effort to attack him. Also Blueno had time to block and use tekkai and tried to get into his other dimension. Granted that it didn't help much his speed was just a bit lower but in strength he was outclassed.

Even if Blueno was slower than Lucci they were not worlds apart, so the point still stands. Sanji would run circles around Lucci.
 
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