About Jesus

[Pumpkin Ninja]

That kind of thinking is biased Wolfus I thought you knew better. Most religious people are too brainwashed to be able to think for themselves. Then when they hate you for being an atheist they have no means of backing it up. Some religious people are too into religion for the good of mankind, and a good majority of religious people are extremely ignorant and intolerant. Religious people are so firm in their beliefs that they most often don't accept other peoples ways of thinking. Whether or not I personally respect someone depends on how they act and behave towards me and others, not what they believe happens when you die. I will give respect to anyone depending whether or not they have earned it from me, their religious beliefs have nothing to do with it.

You are generalizing people who follow a religion. And people don't need to earn respect, you're supposed to respect people until you realize they don't deserve it, if that made any sense.

 

[Mypower]

You are generalizing people who follow a religion. And people don't need to earn respect, you're supposed to respect people until you realize they don't deserve it, if that made any sense.

Ok but,some christians will respect muslims less then other christians, and vice versa. People have trouble respecting beliefs that aren't their own, but just because you don't respect their beliefs, doesn't mean you don't respect them as a person.

 

[Wolfus]

That kind of thinking is biased Wolfus I thought you knew better. Most religious people are too brainwashed to be able to think for themselves. Then when they hate you for being an atheist they have no means of backing it up. Some religious people are too into religion for the good of mankind, and a good majority of religious people are extremely ignorant and intolerant. Religious people are so firm in their beliefs that they most often don't accept other peoples ways of thinking. Whether or not I personally respect someone depends on how they act and behave towards me and others, not what they believe happens when you die. I will give respect to anyone depending whether or not they have earned it from me, their religious beliefs have nothing to do with it.

"Most religious people are too brainwashed"...and my thought is biased, huh?

Well, I guess you never read the piece of paper I wrote and posted in here.

Spoiler

Let's begin. The topics I'll be discussing is: disrespect towards religious people and double standards.

A-I've seen, mostly on the internet, that some people state that "all religious people are stupid, because they believe in something that doesn't exist". This is a mistake, and I'll explain why.

There are many religious people all over the world, and even when they belong to the same religion, they're very different among themselves, what they do, how they believe in something. One should never judge a person because of a single belief.

Now, their belief. Usually, religious people believe that a god(a superior ultimate being with the power to control everything) or gods created the universe and life. Now, it is true that there is barely any evidence that would support the existence of God or gods. However, the origin of the universe is unsure:
We currently have theories that would explain that origin(the most fambous being the big bang theory), but these theories don't have many evidenes either. As far as I checked, there isn't enough evidence to consider any of these theories a fact,a truth. My point is that the origin of the universe is still unsure, and people are allowed to have their beliefs, because we don't know for sure what's the real truth.

Basically, people are not stupid by having a belief about something that is unsure.

Another thing: What will show if you're smart or not is the way you believe in something: smart people won't let a belief blind him towards discoveries, towards scientific facts. A smart person won't let a belief harm his learning, his school education, the knowledge he will discover.
If a person has a belief, but he/she is still able to learn and understand the subjects in school, to succed in his academic life, and to understand and accept different opinions and costumes, this person is not dumb.
This is what will show if a person is smart or not, not a belief.

Those who let some belief blind themselves toawrds reality and many other things, those are fanatics. But many religious people are not religious fanatics.

People who say that all religious people are stupid have a prejudice, and they are allowing this prejudice to blind them. Basically, they're becoming fanatics themselves. Judging a person's intelligence by one belief is a mistake, and it's a not smart action either.

Basically, being religious doesn't mean being dumb, being an atheist doesn't mean being smart.

Of course, there is the opposite side of the coin: i've seen fanatics claiming that atheists are bad people, because they don't follow God, but that's not true either. It's their actions within society that will show if their bad people or not, not some belief(or lack of belief). i'm not focusing on this, though, because the first situation I've seen more often. But this is worth to be mentioned

B- I've seen people saying that: "religious people don't deserve to be respected, because they killed many others".
This is also a mistake.

As I explained above,fanaticism is different from religion. Those who did it on the past are fanatics, and obviously, they were wrong to do that. However, as I explained, you can't blaim an entire group because of what fanatics did, considering that are many in this group that are not fanatics.
It's even worse when it happened huntreds of years ago. The times changed. There is no more inquisition, even the fanatics don't do that anymore. Some habits of a religion changed, and so did the religious people Religious people are not asgardians nor ash(pokemon). They don't live for huntreds of years. So saying that "oh, you religious people killed many others..." is a mistake, because those who live these days are not those who killed many years ago, and as I explained, it's bnot because they have the same belief that they are the same people.

Another thing. Religious people are citizens, and as any citizen, they must be respected. Of course, this doesn't happen always, people disrespect each other constantly. However, this doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected. As long as they follow their duties as citizens, it's their right to be respected, and nobody should take away other people's rights.

It's even worse when people are defending the rights of some group, but at the same time, they say something like this. It's hypocrisy.

C- "People shouldn't talk about their religion in public". This is also a mistake.

As I explained above, people are allowed to have this belief in this matter. There is no probelm with that. They are allowed to have their opinions.
As I said, they are citizens, and as citizens, they have right to express their opinions(freedom of speed) when they want to. Again, taking away people's right is a mistake that will only lead to fights and hatred.

What religious people CAN'T do is try to push their belief into people's throat. Everybody is allowed to have opinions, and they are allowed to disagree with religios people too. It's their right.
Many fanatics trty to do that, and that is something they can't do.
But you can't blaim all religious people for that. Talking about religion in public and pushing it into people's throat are very different things.

Besides, not only religious fanatics push things into people's throat. Some fanatic atheists also do the same thing. Trying to say that all religious people are stupid, saying that they believe in an imaginary friend, and trying to opress religious people because of their belief is another way to push what they stand for into people's throat.
Atheists are not better nor worse than religious people. So, in the same way religious people can't do that, atheists can't either.

Take your time. I said it once, I'll say it again: Don't judge people by their beliefs. Having a belief barely means anything. People who share the same belief can differ among themselves in many, many aspects.

The "most religious" you spoke of are simply the fanatics, and nowadays, they're not even a majority. Don't put all the rest in the level, because you have no idea of how the rest of the people act and think

 

[Joon]

You are generalizing people who follow a religion. And people don't need to earn respect, you're supposed to respect people until you realize they don't deserve it, if that made any sense.

Make perfect sense. I live by that.

 

[Mypower]

"Most religious people are too brainwashed"...and my thought is biased, huh?

Well, I guess you never read the piece of paper I wrote and posted in here.

Spoiler

Let's begin. The topics I'll be discussing is: disrespect towards religious people and double standards.

A-I've seen, mostly on the internet, that some people state that "all religious people are stupid, because they believe in something that doesn't exist". This is a mistake, and I'll explain why.

There are many religious people all over the world, and even when they belong to the same religion, they're very different among themselves, what they do, how they believe in something. One should never judge a person because of a single belief.

Now, their belief. Usually, religious people believe that a god(a superior ultimate being with the power to control everything) or gods created the universe and life. Now, it is true that there is barely any evidence that would support the existence of God or gods. However, the origin of the universe is unsure:
We currently have theories that would explain that origin(the most fambous being the big bang theory), but these theories don't have many evidenes either. As far as I checked, there isn't enough evidence to consider any of these theories a fact,a truth. My point is that the origin of the universe is still unsure, and people are allowed to have their beliefs, because we don't know for sure what's the real truth.

Basically, people are not stupid by having a belief about something that is unsure.

Another thing: What will show if you're smart or not is the way you believe in something: smart people won't let a belief blind him towards discoveries, towards scientific facts. A smart person won't let a belief harm his learning, his school education, the knowledge he will discover.
If a person has a belief, but he/she is still able to learn and understand the subjects in school, to succed in his academic life, and to understand and accept different opinions and costumes, this person is not dumb.
This is what will show if a person is smart or not, not a belief.

Those who let some belief blind themselves toawrds reality and many other things, those are fanatics. But many religious people are not religious fanatics.

People who say that all religious people are stupid have a prejudice, and they are allowing this prejudice to blind them. Basically, they're becoming fanatics themselves. Judging a person's intelligence by one belief is a mistake, and it's a not smart action either.

Basically, being religious doesn't mean being dumb, being an atheist doesn't mean being smart.

Of course, there is the opposite side of the coin: i've seen fanatics claiming that atheists are bad people, because they don't follow God, but that's not true either. It's their actions within society that will show if their bad people or not, not some belief(or lack of belief). i'm not focusing on this, though, because the first situation I've seen more often. But this is worth to be mentioned

B- I've seen people saying that: "religious people don't deserve to be respected, because they killed many others".
This is also a mistake.

As I explained above,fanaticism is different from religion. Those who did it on the past are fanatics, and obviously, they were wrong to do that. However, as I explained, you can't blaim an entire group because of what fanatics did, considering that are many in this group that are not fanatics.
It's even worse when it happened huntreds of years ago. The times changed. There is no more inquisition, even the fanatics don't do that anymore. Some habits of a religion changed, and so did the religious people Religious people are not asgardians nor ash(pokemon). They don't live for huntreds of years. So saying that "oh, you religious people killed many others..." is a mistake, because those who live these days are not those who killed many years ago, and as I explained, it's bnot because they have the same belief that they are the same people.

Another thing. Religious people are citizens, and as any citizen, they must be respected. Of course, this doesn't happen always, people disrespect each other constantly. However, this doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected. As long as they follow their duties as citizens, it's their right to be respected, and nobody should take away other people's rights.

It's even worse when people are defending the rights of some group, but at the same time, they say something like this. It's hypocrisy.

C- "People shouldn't talk about their religion in public". This is also a mistake.

As I explained above, people are allowed to have this belief in this matter. There is no probelm with that. They are allowed to have their opinions.
As I said, they are citizens, and as citizens, they have right to express their opinions(freedom of speed) when they want to. Again, taking away people's right is a mistake that will only lead to fights and hatred.

What religious people CAN'T do is try to push their belief into people's throat. Everybody is allowed to have opinions, and they are allowed to disagree with religios people too. It's their right.
Many fanatics trty to do that, and that is something they can't do.
But you can't blaim all religious people for that. Talking about religion in public and pushing it into people's throat are very different things.

Besides, not only religious fanatics push things into people's throat. Some fanatic atheists also do the same thing. Trying to say that all religious people are stupid, saying that they believe in an imaginary friend, and trying to opress religious people because of their belief is another way to push what they stand for into people's throat.
Atheists are not better nor worse than religious people. So, in the same way religious people can't do that, atheists can't either.

Take your time. I said it once, I'll say it again: Don't judge people by their beliefs. Having a belief barely means anything. People who share the same belief can differ among themselves in many, many aspects.

The "most religious" you spoke of are simply the fanatics, and nowadays, they're not even a majority. Don't put all the rest in the level, because you have no idea of how the rest of the people act and think

It's true that religious people are brainwashed not like zombies they have been indoctrinated just like you. And like I said I don't care about your beliefs it means nothing to me.

 

[Wolfus]

I respect the religion..... On the other hand, disrespect it. The internet is not showing any out of character behavior than what I would show outside of the internet.

No, you don't, and your posts prove it. It matters not if you behave like that on the internet and in real life. It's a mistaken behavior.

Being religious doesn't give you the right to disrespect the person or the group.

 

[Wolfus]

It's true that religious people are brainwashed not like zombies they have been indoctrinated just like you. And like I said I don't care about your beliefs it means nothing to me.

No, they were not. Funny how your reply has no counter to the text I wrote.

If you're so smart, then I believe you would have put a better counter than this.

It's irrelevant if you care or not. I don't care about many people, many things. That doesn't give me the right to disrespect them.
Every citizen has the right to be respected, religious people included.

Tell me, if you're so smart, then what is your contribution to mankind? What is your scientific knowledge? Hell, are your grades even that good?
Because I can surely tell you that mine, besides the many buildings I'll project, will also be my master's degree thesis and doctorate thesis, in the engineering and/or mathematics and/or physics field. What about yours?

Oh, and by the way, I'm not praising myself in here. I'm simply showing you, that I, a kind of religious person, can learn and "wield" science perfectly fine.
My teacher says that: There's a room full of cats. If you make a statement such as "all the cats in there are white", then I need only ONE black cat to disprove that statement. That cat is my "counter-exemple".
I'm the black cat of your statement. And I'm not the only, oh, I'm not. I pale in comparison to other people, and many people that would "destroy me" are also religious. They're even darker cats.

Don't judge people by their belief

 

[Mypower]

No, they were not. Funny how your reply has no counter to the text I wrote.

If you're so smart, then I believe you would have put a better counter than this.

It's irrelevant if you care or not. I don't care about many people, many things. That doesn't give me the right to disrespect them.
Every citizen has the right to be respected, religious people included.

Tell me, if you're so smart, then what is your contribution to mankind? What is your scientific knowledge? Hell, are your grades even that good?
Because I can surely tell you that mine, besides the many buildings I'll project, will also be my master's degree thesis and doctorate thesis, in the engineering and/or mathematics and/or physics field. What about yours?

Since you're so accomplished go prove God is real I dare you.

 

[Joon]

No, you don't, and your posts prove it. It matters not if you behave like that on the internet and in real life. It's a mistaken behavior.

Being religious doesn't give you the right to disrespect the person or the group.

Who said I was religious? :| I maybe contradict myself in that post, but at the end of the day, it's respect. That is the difference between me and someone else. Also, I'll be the judge if it is misbehavior.

 

[Mypower]

No, they were not. Funny how your reply has no counter to the text I wrote.

If you're so smart, then I believe you would have put a better counter than this.

It's irrelevant if you care or not. I don't care about many people, many things. That doesn't give me the right to disrespect them.
Every citizen has the right to be respected, religious people included.

Tell me, if you're so smart, then what is your contribution to mankind? What is your scientific knowledge? Hell, are your grades even that good?
Because I can surely tell you that mine, besides the many buildings I'll project, will also be my master's degree thesis and doctorate thesis, in the engineering and/or mathematics and/or physics field. What about yours?

Oh, and by the way, I'm not praising myself in here. I'm simply showing you, that I, a kind of religious person, can learn and "wield" science perfectly fine.
My teacher says that: There's a room full of cats. If you make a statement such as "all the cats in there are white", then I need only ONE black cat to disprove that statement. That cat is my "counter-exemple".
I'm the black cat of your statement. And I'm not the only, oh, I'm not. I pale in comparison to other people, and many people that would "destroy me" are also religious. They're even darker cats.

Don't judge people by their belief

ANd plus I said I don't care about beliefs !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Wolfus]

Since you're so accomplished go prove God is real I dare you.

It seems thar genious isn't even able to understand my intentions. I'm not discussing about God.

I'm talking about respect towards religious people. I don't care about what people choose to believe, I respect them and their belief. Something everybody MUST do.

 

[Mypower]

It seems thar genious isn't even able to understand my intentions. I'm not discussing about God.

I'm talking about respect towards religious people. I don't care about what people choose to believe, I respect them and their belief. Something everybody MUST do.

I said I don't care about beliefs do you even read my posts. :eww:

 

[Wolfus]

Who said I was religious? :| I maybe contradict myself in that post, but at the end of the day, it's respect. That is the difference between me and someone else. Also, I'll be the judge if it is misbehavior.

The person being religious. Maybe I wasn't very clear in that statement. I'll rewrite it.

A person being religious doesn't allow you do disrespect that person, irrelevant of your belief or lack of it.

 

[Wolfus]

ANd plus I said I don't care about beliefs !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said I don't care about beliefs do you even read my posts. :eww:

Obviously you don't read mine.

Perhaps I should be more clear. Let's bold a statement I already made: It doesn't matter if you care or not. That doesn't give you the right to disrespect that person or that belief.I don't care about many people, many things. That doesn't give me the right to disrespect them.
Every citizen has the right to be respected, religious people included.

 

[Joon]

It seems thar genious isn't even able to understand my intentions. I'm not discussing about God.

I'm talking about respect towards religious people. I don't care about what people choose to believe, I respect them and their belief. Something everybody MUST do.

You cannot force that upon them. They have to come in terms with this on their own. You can advise them, but not force it down their throats.

 

[Mypower]

You cannot force that upon them. They have to come in terms with this on their own. You can advise them, but not force it down their throats.

^^^^^ Thank you.
Wolfus doesn't seem to understand he's just a blabbering robot.

 

[Wolfus]

You cannot force that upon them. They have to come in terms with this on their own. You can advise them, but not force it down their throats.

Respect? That's something that everybody must do, it's every citizen's right to be respected. This is law. Though it shouldn't be, because we should be able to understand that it's needed naturally. However, as it seems we disrespect each other by the most simple things, it's justified.

Funny how people fight so much for the so called equality and rights of some groups, but the speech changes completely when it's about religious people.

^^^^^ Thank you.
Wolfus doesn't seem to understand he's just a blabbering robot.

Is that because you couldn't counter ANY of my posts?
You said as if you hadn't repeated a pointless statement FOUR times. "I don't care about their beliefs", if you don't recall it, genious.

Bold. Correct, you can't. I understand what Wolfus is saying, but this is something you have to agree and disagree too.

No, it's not. It's something you follow, because it's a law. To respect every citizen.
I bet you're one of those that would be almost crushing your keyboard if the situation was about the "opressed minorities" being disrespected, aren't you?

People nowadays are so hypocrite.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

^^^^^ Thank you.
Wolfus doesn't seem to understand he's just a blabbering robot.

Daryoon is saying he can't force you to respect religious people, you know that right? So, what you're saying is you refuse to respect them? XD

 

[Tiogar]

Personally, I'm agnostic, but I like the message that Jesus gives in that we should all try to get along, and I'm fine with people wanting to believe in God.

Calm down everyone.
You're all starting to look like this to me:

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Tiogar out.
This thread is quickly becoming a complete sh#tstorm.

 

[Joon]

Daryoon is saying he can't force you to respect religious people, you know that right? So, what you're saying is you refuse to respect them? XD

Bold. Correct, you can't. I understand what Wolfus is saying, but this is something you have to agree and disagree too.