About Adult Naruto chakra mode.

[Eng nawashi]

-The last Naruto’s multiple Odoma rasengan couldnt go through toneri gudoma doom ,how can this be if naruto was using rikudo chakra ? War arc BSM Naruto’s multiple odoma rasengan used by K11 were able to make a hole in obito’s gudoma !!!

-in the Gaiden and Bruto movie ,Naruto’s mode looked like BSM but with no pigmentation aroud his eyes ,some people claim that is RSM just because of that ,but was it ever said that the pigmentation vanish is RSM sign!!? i dont recall that ,Naruto didnt have these RSM marks on his back which every RSM user had (JJ Obito,JJ Madara and Hagromo)

i am really confused ,can someone make things clearer for me?
-was the last naruto using rikudo chakra?
-is the Gaiden Naruto’s mode a RSM?
-does naruto still has RSM ?
-do Naruto and Sasuke still have rikudo chakra?
-does naruto still has the biju as communicative creatures or just thier chakra or he doesnt have even that anymore?

 

[Ambivalence]

It's either because Toneri's TSB are somehow sturdier than a JJ's, or because Naruto wasn't actually using RSM - the mode was apparently KCSM, as confirmed by the novel/databook (forgot which one) that came after the movie.

Naruto having no markings on his back and TSB in the gaiden and Boruto movie is for a very simple reason - he wasn't the temporary host of all 9 Bijus at that time, only for 100% Kurama. Some people on the forums refer to

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mode as ''full RSM''. That form can only be achieved by Naruto having the chakra of all the Tailed Beasts inside of him.

RSM is an individual powerup granted to Naruto and independent of any other factors. If what you say is true, and the no markings on his back and lack of TSB actually meant he doesn't have RSM, then a

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shouldn't be possible - no cloak, no markings, no TSB, no nothing, yet he still has it.

-was the last naruto using rikudo chakra?

Yes, as he was able to fly, which was originally an ability granted by RSM.

-is the Gaiden Naruto’s mode a RSM?

Yes, explained above.

-does naruto still has RSM ?

Of course.

-do Naruto and Sasuke still have rikudo chakra?

There's no reason why they shouldn't have it.

-does naruto still has the biju as communicative creatures or just thier chakra or he doesnt have even that anymore?

He doesn't have their chakra ''stored'' in himself, but he's still the meeting place for all the beasts, so theoretically he could still gain it.

 

[uhmusddy]

I think he doesn't call on the other tailed beasts so they can live in peace as opposed to continuing using them as chakra weapons which was a part of the past generation problems. Only uses Kurama because inside him, he's used to it and best friends.

i imagine he would call the rest in emergencies where his power isn't enough, but that hasn't happened yet.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

It's either because Toneri's TSB are somehow sturdier than a JJ's, or because Naruto wasn't actually using RSM - the mode was apparently KCSM, as confirmed by the novel/databook (forgot which one) that came after the movie.

Naruto having no markings on his back and TSB in the gaiden and Boruto movie is for a very simple reason - he wasn't the temporary host of all 9 Bijus at that time, only for 100% Kurama. Some people on the forums refer to

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mode as ''full RSM''. That form can only be achieved by Naruto having the chakra of all the Tailed Beasts inside of him.

RSM is an individual powerup granted to Naruto and independent of any other factors. If what you say is true, and the no markings on his back and lack of TSB actually meant he doesn't have RSM, then a

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shouldn't be possible - no cloak, no markings, no TSB, no nothing, yet he still has it.



Yes, as he was able to fly, which was originally an ability granted by RSM.



Yes, explained above.



Of course.



There's no reason why they shouldn't have it.



He doesn't have their chakra ''stored'' in himself, but he's still the meeting place for all the beasts, so theoretically he could still gain it.

I second this.

 

[Eng nawashi]

It's either because Toneri's TSB are somehow sturdier than a JJ's, or because Naruto wasn't actually using RSM - the mode was apparently KCSM, as confirmed by the novel/databook (forgot which one) that came after the movie.

Naruto having no markings on his back and TSB in the gaiden and Boruto movie is for a very simple reason - he wasn't the temporary host of all 9 Bijus at that time, only for 100% Kurama. Some people on the forums refer to

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mode as ''full RSM''. That form can only be achieved by Naruto having the chakra of all the Tailed Beasts inside of him.

RSM is an individual powerup granted to Naruto and independent of any other factors. If what you say is true, and the no markings on his back and lack of TSB actually meant he doesn't have RSM, then a

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shouldn't be possible - no cloak, no markings, no TSB, no nothing, yet he still has it.



Yes, as he was able to fly, which was originally an ability granted by RSM.



Yes, explained above.



Of course.



There's no reason why they shouldn't have it.



He doesn't have their chakra ''stored'' in himself, but he's still the meeting place for all the beasts, so theoretically he could still gain it.

toneri gudoma has to be drastically stronger than JJs in order to tank /take the same damage from the same attack but instead enhanced with rikudo chakra ,that doesnt make any sense.
so naruto wasnt using RSM niether Rikudo chakra in the last !!!? then how he could fly ? also rikudo chakra doesnt make you fly but only RSM .

so you are saying naruto hasnt all biju chakra any more thus he cant use the full RSM but he can use Base RSM ,that makes sense

okey about the rikudo chakra .

 

[Ambivalence]

toneri gudoma has to be drastically stronger than JJs in order to tank /take the same damage from the same attack but instead enhanced with rikudo chakra ,that doesnt make any sense.

Naruto was in BSM that time during the War Arc, in The Last he was in KCSM with some Rikudou chakra. It's obvious the latter is still superior, but not by that much. Toneri was also in Tenseigan Chakra Mode, the Tenseigan being a major upgrade in power, more or less on the level of being a JJ, and since he can definitely mid-diff Obito it's not that far fetched that his TSB are also stronger.

so naruto wasnt using RSM niether Rikudo chakra in the last !!!? then how he could fly ? also rikudo chakra doesnt make you fly but only RSM .

He did use Rikudou chakra, and it's widely assumed he can now fly without entering RSM because of his mastery of his new powers over the 2 year gap between ch.699 and The Last.

so you are saying naruto hasnt all biju chakra any more thus he cant use the full RSM but he can use Base RSM ,that makes sense

Not only base RSM, but also RSM combined with his BM. It's essentially Full RSM without the Biju's chakra and TSB, that's about it.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Naruto was in BSM that time during the War Arc, in The Last he was in KCSM with some Rikudou chakra. It's obvious the latter is still superior, but not by that much. Toneri was also in Tenseigan Chakra Mode, the Tenseigan being a major upgrade in power, more or less on the level of being a JJ, and since he can definitely mid-diff Obito it's not that far fetched that his TSB are also stronger.



He did use Rikudou chakra, and it's widely assumed he can now fly without entering RSM because of his mastery of his new powers over the 2 year gap between ch.699 and The Last.



Not only base RSM, but also RSM combined with his BM. It's essentially Full RSM without the Biju's chakra and TSB, that's about it.

the first part isnt convicing ,there is no to little difference between human BM and KCM ,no to mention that was full kuarma KCSM .

you are contradicting yourself ,if you are saying that there isnt much gap between the last naruto and war arc BSM Naruto ,then how could the tensigan be a superior/equal boost to jiubi if toneri was physically equal to the last Naruto who is around BSM Naruto considering the damage that thier attacks could do to the gudoma . and since it doesnt make any sense that toneri gudoma is drastically stronger than obito’s ,so it will always come to the same conclusion ,the last naruto is around BSM Naruyto’s level.which means he wasnt using rikudo chakra to boost his speed and attacks ,considering the huge boost the rikudo chakra grants.

not sure about flying without RSM .

 

[Ambivalence]

the first part isnt convicing ,there is no to little difference between human BM and KCM

Besides a giant Kurama avatar, ability to use Tailed Beast Ball and full access to Kurama's chakra? Sure, no difference at all.

you are contradicting yourself ,if you are saying that there isnt much gap between the last naruto and war arc BSM Naruto ,then how could the tensigan be a superior boost to jiubi if toneri was physically equal to the last Naruto who is around BSM Naruto considering the damage that thier attacks could do to the gudoma . and again it doesnt make sense that toneri gudoma is drastically stronger than obito’s ,so it will always come to the same conclusion ,the last naruto is around BSM Naruyto’s level.

Because it stems from the fact that Hagoromo and Hamura were more or less equal when they defeated the Juubi. Later, Hagoromo increased in power by becoming a JJ, and Hamura also unlocked a power up, which was the Tenseigan. Considering Toneri, an inferior user of the Tenseigan, can canonically mid-diff JJ Obito, it's safe to say that the Tenseigan is a massive boost in power, comparable to the host of a Juubi Jinchuriki.

Also, I don't get why you're so puzzled about this. Toneri can infuse his own chakra into his TSB (which is why they became green) and can transform them into a beam that split the Moon in half. What's JJ Obito's TSB's destructive capabilty again? Oh, right...

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if tensigan boosted toneri speed to be equal to the last Naruto who is around BSM Naruto level then no way he can beat JJ Obito .

He can react to anything Obito throws at him, he can counter it, he has enough firepower to obliterate him. BSM Naruto was already reacting to JJ Obito's attacks. All he lacked was a stable defense - which in Toneri's case is TCM's TSB - and enough power to kill him, easily at that.

Inb4 quad Juubidama.

not sure about flying without RSM

It's either that or plot. Take your pick.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Besides a giant Kurama avatar, ability to use Tailed Beast Ball and full access to Kurama's chakra? Sure, no difference at all.



Because it stems from the fact that Hagoromo and Hamura were more or less equal when they defeated the Juubi. Later, Hagoromo increased in power by becoming a JJ, and Hamura also unlocked a power up, which was the Tenseigan. Considering Toneri, an inferior user of the Tenseigan, can canonically mid-diff JJ Obito, it's safe to say that the Tenseigan is a massive boost in power, comparable to the host of a Juubi Jinchuriki.

Also, I don't get why you're so puzzled about this. Toneri can infuse his own chakra into his TSB (which is why they became green) and can transform them into a beam that split the Moon in half. What's JJ Obito's TSB's destructive capabilty again? Oh, right...

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He can react to anything Obito throws at him, he can counter it, he has enough firepower to obliterate him. BSM Naruto was already reacting to JJ Obito's attacks. All he lacked was a stable defense - which in Toneri's case is TCM's TSB - and enough power to kill him, easily at that.

Inb4 quad Juubidama.



It's either that or plot. Take your pick.

dont misinterpret my words ,i meant there is no to little difference between kcm and human BM in terms of speed and ninjutsu scale.then there is the fact that the last naruto is Full kuarma KCM .

no proof that hamura and hagromo were equal when they fought jiubi ,even if we assumed that they were equal ,that doesnt mean if they got different power ups ,it would be neccessirly equal ,no logic in that

i see ,it turned to a toneri vs obito discussion ,i was just trying to scale the last naruto ninjutsu and speed
you got me wrong again ,i was talking about the defensive power of thier gudoma ,no proof that tonerie gudoma is drasyically more durable than obito’s nor it makes sense ,also toneri blocked naruto’s odoma rasengans with normal black gudoma ,it wasnt green or golden so my point is still the same ,the last naruto’s ninjutsu scale is around BSM Naruto level which means his speed would be around BSM Naruto’s and that naruto wasnt most likely using rikudo chakra to buff his ninjutsu and speed.

 

[xxSAGExx]

-The last Naruto’s multiple Odoma rasengan couldnt go through toneri gudoma doom ,how can this be if naruto was using rikudo chakra ? War arc BSM Naruto’s multiple odoma rasengan used by K11 were able to make a hole in obito’s gudoma !!!

-in the Gaiden and Bruto movie ,Naruto’s mode looked like BSM but with no pigmentation aroud his eyes ,some people claim that is RSM just because of that ,but was it ever said that the pigmentation vanish is RSM sign!!? i dont recall that ,Naruto didnt have these RSM marks on his back which every RSM user had (JJ Obito,JJ Madara and Hagromo)

i am really confused ,can someone make things clearer for me?
-was the last naruto using rikudo chakra?
-is the Gaiden Naruto’s mode a RSM?
-does naruto still has RSM ?
-do Naruto and Sasuke still have rikudo chakra?
-does naruto still has the biju as communicative creatures or just thier chakra or he doesnt have even that anymore?

JJ Obito wasn't using all of his TSBs to block BSM Naruto and Sasuke's attacks, he was using 1 and 2 here and there. Also Naruto wasn't using Rikudo chakra against Toneri, he was in KSM but he was using Toad SM+KM since he had the pigmentation. Also K11 used Senjutsu Chou Oodama Rasengan not Oodama Rasengan (Oodama Rasengan is slightly bigger than Rasengan. Naruto was in RM when he saved Gai, you're talking about 6 paths RSM which is when Naruto has the markings and TSBs.

Gaiden Naruto was using Rikudo chakra, we see Naruto using SM so his toad SM still has pigmentation. Yes Naruto still has the Bijuus chakra in him, their chakra will replenish since Naruto has their mind in their chakra. Naruto simply needs to call upon them (most likely call forth their names as Hagoromo did when they first appeared together). Plot prevented this since Naruto is already the strongest ninja there is.

 

[lndra]

I'm not sure what you are referring to... I believe Naruto destroyed Toneri's TSB, or he overpowered them with Odama Rasengan.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Are you sure? Because i remember naruto did a rasengan barrage and that completely shattered toneri's tsb shield.
That form he used in gaiden was rsm but he was only using kurama's chakra. He needs to use all the bijuu chakra to use full rsm. Kishi actually had reasons to prevent/nerf him from using it.

In the last he got a large chunck of his chakra blasted out and in the bolt movie. He nearly got kurama extracted.

 

[Eng nawashi]

I'm not sure what you are referring to... I believe Naruto destroyed Toneri's TSB, or he overpowered them with Odama Rasengan.

nope ,toneri tsb doom tanked it ,then naruto by somehow got to him from underground and punched him out of the doom

 

[ninjarasengan]

Are you sure? Because i remember naruto did a rasengan barrage and that completely shattered toneri's tsb shield.
That form he used in gaiden was rsm but he was only using kurama's chakra. He needs to use all the bijuu chakra to use full rsm. Kishi actually had reasons to prevent/nerf him from using it.

In the last he got a large chunck of his chakra blasted out and in the bolt movie. He nearly got kurama extracted.

The Tsb shield wasn't damaged by the Rasengan barrage...Naruto went underground, came up inside the dome, and hit Toneri with a Rasengan directly...Toneri was blasted through the shield, destroying it.

 

[Seventh Sama]

The Tsb shield wasn't damaged by the Rasengan barrage...Naruto went underground, came up inside the dome, and hit Toneri with a Rasengan directly...Toneri was blasted throught the shield, destroying it.

Hmm, I need to rewatch it. Brb

 

[Eng nawashi]

The Tsb shield wasn't damaged by the Rasengan barrage...Naruto went underground, came up inside the dome, and hit Toneri with a Rasengan directly...Toneri was blasted throught the shield, destroying it.

i believe that the doom has got much weaker after this barrage that naruto punch/rasengan whatever could throw him throught it ,alright?

 

[lndra]

nope ,toneri tsb doom tanked it ,then naruto by somehow got to him from underground and punched him out of the doom

Nope, watch the movie again. Right after Toneri sliced the moon Naruto used a Rasengan barrage and destroyed the shield of TSB protecting him.

If you happened to have not seen that part, or deny it. I'll just take HD screen shots and call it a day.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Nope, watch the movie again. Right after Toneri sliced the moon Naruto used a Rasengan barrage and destroyed the shield of TSB protecting him.

If you happened to have not seen that part, or deny it. I'll just take HD screen shots and call it a day. I just watched the scene so I know what I'm talking about :lol

i watched the scene too ,the doom was only destroyed after naruto came up from underground and punched him out of it

 

[Eng nawashi]

seems like people have missed alote of things at this movie ,for ex most people didnt even notice that Naruto tanked the moon cutter when toneri used it for the first time.

 

[lndra]

i watched the scene too ,the doom was only destroyed after naruto came up from underground and punched him out of it

He came out of the ground and used a regular Rasengan to blow him out.

It was already destroyed, it was withering away.