I was not aware that stopping the child from living because of a situation it is not responsible for changes time and means the rape never happened. Or perhaps the abortion will erase the mother's memory of the rape so she isn't traumatized anymore. Or perhaps it even means the rapist is punished. Yes, I agree with you.
Yea , I don't see the reason why a woman should be forced to carry DNA of such a person and continue with the process of rape by not throwing something out, which was forced upon her. On top of it trying to make her legally obligated to bear it. Depending on the situation it can be continuation of the process and trauma, mental and physical. That's so unjust and cruel!
Besides if you are going to jump in to reply something not addressed to you, have the decency to not take it out of context. As it is now you are implying that even if it was rape since she did have ***, it's her responsibility. And I find it utterly inhumane that you are supporting a scenario where- first a guy rapes a woman and then uses law to make her carry on his "DNA" because it is his and he wants it.
C-section will help with the physical strain of the birthing process. Raising a child it's whole lifetime is far harder than birthing it. I asked my mother which one she'd rather go through and the said the pregnancy so their es a woman's perspective right there to shut down your argument.
C - section? Exactly what do you think a C section is? It's a major operation. Doctors do not recommend it as a first option and it's really costly as well.
I was not aware that your mother's opinion equals any woman on earth anywhere and regardless of context..
This is Chad's mother, there cannot be any pain compared to having a child naturally, but my oldest son is 36, my youngest 24, and one in between. Even though there grown, all the pain and suffering does'nt compare to the pain of raising your children, and going through there life also, and all there ups, and down and all the things they have to go through also. There's just no comparison of that pain for a few hours compared to that pain for a life time, because you always have to worry about your son, or daughter until you die. Emotional pain can far exceed physical pain depending on circumstances. If my child is sad and doing well I feel the pain 10x worse! but of they're happy than I'm happy. There's pain, and joy to raising a child, but there's suffering in raising that child that couldn't compare to child birth.
Totally out of context.
A banned cartoon- Well there you go folks, for those of you argueing saying child birth is harder than raising a child, your wrong. Your getting the first hand experience from my mother a women who's raised three children. She's basically saying the pains you go through raising a child is light years beyond the Pein's of child birth. A lot of you are guys who're saying child birth is harder, but now you're argueing against a women who's gone through it herself.
Is it the best you could come up with? How does your mother's experience in raising kids has any weight about the basic argument- whether pregnancy should be forced upon someone or not?
hello chad's mother, let me tell you a personal story. my aunt's first child was unfourtantely born too early in the pregnancy, his mother wanted a c-section but becausoe of complications they decided to change that while she was in labor. after 17 hours the baby was born, and 2 hours after that he died. thankfully she fully recovered and went on to bring two beautiful daughters a couple of years later. but she never were quite the same.
i am not against women deciding to bring and raise their child, and i don't claim that raising them is in any way easier then birthing them. but i do stand on every woman's right to decide if she is willing to go through with it. and if she decides instead of have an abortion then i will back her 100%. the woman is taking a precedence over the man because she is the one being put at risk, not the man. i hope you can understand that.
This^ is what we are trying to tell you.
You obviously didn't read what I said or it went over your head. She's saying if the father wants the child, and the mother doesn't than the father should have a say in the abortion. He should be a blue to raise the kid. She's saying that raising a child is so much harder than birthing a child. My post deals with the father raising the child.
You couldn't even get your mom to give a direct statement to an actual issue and talk about life in general? Giving your kidney to someone can save a life but should we make you legally obligated to donate one? Don't worry that process is shorter and easier than raising kids too.
Nice try, but I wasn't trolling. A women's whose experienced child birth, and raising children>your view. Nice try but that was my mothers input. I typed down what she said word for word, and if you don't believe me than that okay, remain ignorant. I've got a new thread about this anyways.
If you are not trolling, you are failing to see the picture beyond, on this issue. Your mother may probably be anti abortion and may agree with you but that would be just her individual opinion. Still what she said to you is little more than dancing around the issue-i.e. if you even told her what it was about. For she didn't say anything on the topic of abortion or the choice.
How can a man make compensation for it anyway? Tbh i agree with Kobak. The man shouldnt have *** with someone until they sort out any future problems that could arise. But unfortunately people just arent that sensible. Life isnt fair and men dont get the final decision. Fair ? Probably not. Kobak it seems your father was an *******
Well offering a marriage and intending to commit sincerely may be a decent try. Don't be there just for the baby but for her too. Few people go for abortion for fun. At least not in my part of world. Usually it's mostly medical conditions or the desperate women trying to survive the economic problems or victims of rape, single mothers whose reputation and chances of any normal life are at stake etc.
If it's a married couple of course it's only fair to take in the opinion of other partner in consideration( still mother's life takes precedence in) . But for people who do not want to walk that extra mile - well it would be better if they think and ask other person's view on caring on child bearing before jumping in bed. If someone goes in before taking that factor in consideration and agreeing upon it, then they can only ask afterwards and should back off if the woman is not ready to go through it.
The less committed you were while going in the bed or your partner being unaware of it, less say you have.
Your acting as though it's a planned pregnancy. Sometimes people get pregnant without trying. There are times where both parties think that pregnancy won't happen, and it still does. Not all man purposely try to get a women pregnant, sometimes it just happens, and if said man feels that he wants the child than he should have just as much right to say wether or not an abortion is an option as the women. Where not talking about men who's purposely try to get a women pregnant against there will here.
Of course but the condition you are talking about is that- the Man says 'yes' and woman says 'no'. Now that means a stalemate. And that's when the right of a woman to her own body kicks in.
My mothers had abortions as well. Just because your fathers crazy, doesn't mean you can compare him to man who's willing be a father and raise a child. Your completely changing the topic by talking about a man who's obviously out of his mind, when I'm trying to talk about a man who wants to raise a child. I'm not talking about a man who doesn't. Your running out of options for a counter argument so now your just using a completely different subject to prove your point.
You argued that the father's say should be prevalent and actually want a law enacted for it. So his argument is not a diversion but completely valid. You never took the wide variety of scenarios out there in the consideration while other people are taking them in.
Obviously a man who would rape a women isn't fit to raise a child. N most rape cases the women doesn't even know the man. I'm talking about couples here. Your trying to prove your point by bringing in a while other subject. Of course if a women's raped she should have the right to an abortion.
So do you mean to suggest that in case of rapist and crazy or selfish fathers the law should deny fathers' say in the matter? What are other conditions where you think father's say should be disregarded? Exactly how much thought you have given to the topic beyond thinking about father's wish?
How would it affect the mothers life if she's out of the picture. If anything abortion would affect the mothers life more. Your arguments against mine have nothing to do with what I've been posting. Your taking what I'm saying out of context and bringing up a whole new subject. I'm not running out of arguments. I'm talking about a couple who's been together, and then the women gets pregnant, decides she doesn't want the child, but the father does.
How can you decide what's going to affect another person or not when you are missing even the basic problems. A lot of physical changes in a body which carries through the pregnancy are permanent. Forensics can tell if woman carried children before her death just by studying the skeleton even, you know.
Many medical problems developed during this condition are also permanent or have long lasting effects. Things like postpartum depression, and thyroid and many other hormonal disturbances can also be involved. So it does affect a mother. Losing a baby after going through so much or having life long problems is not very peachy condition either and adds to depression.
You didn't have much of an argument to begin with. We are just pointing out the narrowness of your way of thinking.
I'm talking about a father who wants to raise a child, and your over here talking about a father who doesn't want to. You are running out of arguments so your chancing the original subject. Once somebody runs out of arguments or doesn't know how to answer a question they change the subject completely. It happens in politics all the time.
How about you bring some new argument on table instead of just father's wishes which may not even be permanent and change when reality hits later on.
Every birth can have complications. If it's known for a fact that said birth can put the mother at risk than, yes she should have the right to theabortion, even against the fathers will. Were talking about this under normal circumstances here though.
Actually we are not. You never mentioned any specific conditions and if you pay attention all your supporters are on different page regarding this issue. Put these condition where you agreed with abortion or wavered on your stand, and you will lose support of some of them.
Frankly this issue is so subjective that a law, like you are suggesting, is not going to resolve the issue only make it worse. There are times when choosing an abortion can be stupid and there are times when forcing a woman for it as selfish , bad and inhuman. We can only rely on the sensibility of people in assessing their circumstances and reasons and then let it be.
