[VS] A vs Itachi

[Katsumi Ren]

What about Izanami? It's the ultimate genjutsu and doesn't require eye sight to work, that's the exact reason it was used by Itachi on Kabuto.

Ay strikes me as the kind of guy who whould just keep trying the same shit over and over for at least a little while, in that time he would be standing still long enough for itachi to open his eyes and use another genjutsu like he did on kabuto.

 

[battlestatio]

3 tomoe Itachi can keep up with V1 Ay just fine and crow clone feints leave Raikage open for amaterasu. When Ay goes V2, ribcage susanoo gives Itachi breathing space. While Ay can use his shunshin to dodge amaterasu, he isn't constantly using V2 shunshin. Itachi can strike when Ay least expects it.

Itachi wins mid difficulty.

 

[genii96]

Ms itachi is greater than Ms Sasuke in basically every aspect accept Amaterasu.

This would imply that v1 Ay is significantly faster than kcm Naruto who kept up with/out maneuvered the third raikage. This means we have a bit a of a problem. It would mean Ms Sasuke is faster than kcm naruto, and with itachi being faster than Sasuke, it also makes him faster than kcm naruto.

I retracted my edo tensi point

I already spoke about them having a conversation

Minato's non FTG reflexes are not superior to Itachi's

When Ay dodges Amaterasu Sasuke turns his head in attempt to follow him. Which means he could slightly see him.

Ay hasn't been shown to be able to keep the V2 shroud up for long periods

the sharingan allows one to track fast moving objects,which is the only reason sasuke dodged v1 ay's elbow,also linear attacks are more easily tracked.
Sharingan precog and speed are not the same,the sharingan just allows one to react to quick attacks more easily,sasuke nor itachi are as fast as ay or naruto,but their ms can track their speeds up to a certain level. Just like how naruto's sage mode allowed him to track the third raikage.
The effort naruto put in facing the raikage is more than what he put in facing itachi by far. Itachi was an edo,so he didnt have the choice but to fight at his best.
Third raikage was never outsped by naruto,naruto just managed to hit him thanks to his skillful use of his chakra arms. He would have killed naruto if not for dodai and the division. Also his speed isnt all that great,he was known for his endurance not speed.
Minato's reflexes are above ay himself even in v2 as ay admitted iirc. Ftg is a teleportation tech,reflexes just allow minato use it before he is hit.

Ay dodged to the ledt,Sasuke moved his head to his left,ay appeared at his right,ay ran a full semicircle around him.

Pretty sure the drain of v2 is less that that of the ms.

 

[Draphsin]

Which is again an irrelevant situation since Itachi does not have 5 Susano'o clones to occupy A with and Tsunade is not in this matchup for A to be distracted by.

No, just because itachi doesn't have 5 susanoos doesn't mean he can't create a situation where the relatively thick-headed raikage will be hit by ama. The fact of the matter & my point is that situations vary, using sasuke's situation to prove that ama is a non-factor is simply wrong.

How is Itachi going to hit A with Amaterasu if he can dodge it?

He will create a situation where Ay can get hit.

It matters because he is not likely to do the same here. He is not enraged and ready for vengeance. Itachi did not kidnap and potentially kill his brother.

Ay is simple-minded & can easily be provoked. He's a hot-headed fighter & always charges in blindly therefore having itachi create a situation where he disregards ama can be easy. Ay lets himself get angry enough to not only disregard his safety, but even risk his life. Mifune/danzo said it perfectly. [

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] He let's his emotions control him & in the end he only ends up destroying himself.

Against a ninja like itachi, who doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve & can calmly analyze a situation at hand is actually a terrible matchup for ay. Since itachi isn't terribly outclassed in terms of speed/reactions he can set up traps & play mind games via bunshins/crows with ease.

Only if A allows himself to be hit by it for some reason. Something made harder by the fact that he has the tools to dodge it.

All ay has is speed, if he fails to use his speed correctly then he falls victim to ama. That "reason" you vaguely mentioned can be a variety of different things that itachi can turn into opportunities. You're acting as if every single amaterasu shot itachi uses is going to be dodged, that is based on nothing but the fact that ay managed to dodge it one time & whilst anticipating it & in V2 mode. This is a different fight, with different people, the outcome will not be the same every time that ama is used.

 

[genii96]

No, just because he dosesn't have 5 susanoos doesn't mean he can't create a situation where the relatively thick-headed raikage will be hit by ama. The fact of the matter & my point is that situations vary, using sasuke's situation to prove that ama is a non-factor is simply wrong.



He will create a situation where Ay can get hit.



Ay is simple-minded & can easily be provoked. He's a hot-headed fighter & always charges in blindly therefore having itachi create a situation where he disregards ama can be easy. Ay lets himself get angry enough to not only disregard his safety, but even risk his life. Mifune/danzo said it perfectly. [

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] He let's his emotions control him & in the end he only ends up destroying himself.

Against a ninja like itachi, who doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve & can calmly analyze a situation at hand is actually a terrible matchup for ay. Since itachi isn't terribly outclassed in terms of speed/reactions he can set up traps & play mind games via bunshins/crows with ease.



All ay has is speed, if he fails to use his speed correctly then he falls victim to ama. That "reason" you vaguely mentioned can be a variety of different things that itachi can turn into opportunities. You're acting as if every single amaterasu shot itachi uses is going to be dodged, that is based on nothing but the fact that ay managed to dodge it one time & whilst anticipating it & in V2 mode. This is a different fight, with different people, the outcome will not be the same every time that ama is used.

raikage only showed that mindset against sasuke. Against madara he was cool headed and combined well with onoki. If he was as simpleminded as you say then he should have been caught by a genjutsu against the madaras quickly.

 

[Draphsin]

raikage only showed that mindset against sasuke. Against madara he was cool headed and combined well with onoki. If he was as simpleminded as you say then he should have been caught by a genjutsu against the madaras quickly.

Well if during the madara fight he was supposed to be cool-headed then it's not any better than when he was enraged. He still let tsunade distract him & he still let a much slower susanoo not only pin him but get enough time to place him in a genjutsu. Doesn't matter when it happened it still happened, maybe madara didn't bother to do it until that moment. He never placed anyone else in a genjutsu & they would be much easier to trap so just because madara didn't place him in a genjutsu quickly doesn't mean that he's any less simple-minded than what I stated, & they hardly have any correlation to eachother.

& He only combined well with onoki because he can make him faster, what they did requires no amount of complex thinking so it's irrelevant.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

This is still being argued :|

 

[Braiyan]

No, just because itachi doesn't have 5 susanoos doesn't mean he can't create a situation where the relatively thick-headed raikage will be hit by ama.

It was not just the 5 Susano'os that led to A being caught, it was the fact that focusing on Tsunade's predicament distracted him.

The fact of the matter & my point is that situations vary, using sasuke's situation to prove that ama is a non-factor is simply wrong.

The fact of the matter is that A has the speed to dodge Amaterasu and has absolutely zero reason to not use that speed to dodge it again in this matchup. And I find it quite ironic that you say I shouldn't use Sasuke's situation as evidence that A can make Amaterasu a non-factor when you're using that same situation to state that A will lose his temper and be reckless, even though A was only like that because he was facing Bee's kidnapper/killer.

He will create a situation where Ay can get hit.

And A will create a situation where he won't get hit.

Ay is simple-minded & can easily be provoked.

And yet 5 Madara clones with Susano'o were unable to catch him and put him in genjutsu until he was distracted by Tsunade. Pretty good for a "simple-minded" ninja.

He's a hot-headed fighter & always charges in blindly therefore having itachi create a situation where he disregards ama can be easy. Ay lets himself get angry enough to not only disregard his safety, but even risk his life. Mifune/danzo said it perfectly. [

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] He let's his emotions control him & in the end he only ends up destroying himself.

All of this only applied at the Kage Summit, mainly because like I said before, his brother was kidnapped by Akatsuki, and possibly dead. He disregarded his safety at that time because he wanted revenge on Sasuke, AKA the person responsible for his brother being kidnapped and possibly dead. Itachi has not killed nor kidnapped Killer Bee in this matchup. Therefore those feelings are not present.

Against a ninja like itachi, who doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve & can calmly analyze a situation

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at hand is actually a terrible matchup for ay. Since itachi isn't terribly outclassed in terms of speed/reactions he can set up traps & play mind games via bunshins/crows with ease.

Yeah, because KCM Naruto and Madara had plenty of time to call up clones against A, much less without him noticing right awa-

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All Itachi will have time to do is either barely dodge A's attacks or turtle up with Susano'o, like Sasuke did. A would have to be literally standing still doing nothing for Itachi to get off clones in such a way as to fool him.

All ay has is speed, if he fails to use his speed correctly then he falls victim to ama.

All A needs is speed to dodge Amaterasu. I've yet to see Itachi having a viable way of slowing him down or restraining him long enough to hit him with it.

That "reason" you vaguely mentioned can be a variety of different things that itachi can turn into opportunities. You're acting as if every single amaterasu shot itachi uses is going to be dodged, that is based on nothing but the fact that ay managed to dodge it one time & whilst anticipating it & in V2 mode. This is a different fight, with different people, the outcome will not be the same every time that ama is used.

And you're acting like A will not anticipate Amaterasu once he sees Itachi use his MS and that he won't go into V2 mode instantly in response.

 

[slimreaper]

The big difference between Ay and KCM naruto, is Ay can effectively use his speed in battle due to his lightning shroud increasing his reactions.

Naruto on the other hand, is faster, but has regular synapses so he can only think and react at his normal rate. This basically means naruto's speed is a one shot at a time thing and not transferable to battle

 

[genii96]

Well if during the madara fight he was supposed to be cool-headed then it's not any better than when he was enraged. He still let tsunade distract him & he still let a much slower susanoo not only pin him but get enough time to place him in a genjutsu. Doesn't matter when it happened it still happened, maybe madara didn't bother to do it until that moment. He never placed anyone else in a genjutsu & they would be much easier to trap so just because madara didn't place him in a genjutsu quickly doesn't mean that he's any less simple-minded than what I stated, & they hardly have any correlation to eachother.

& He only combined well with onoki because he can make him faster, what they did requires no amount of complex thinking so it's irrelevant.

tsunade was fighting recklessly and was getting stabbed,then her SOH began to run out,he was worried and then got hit,he was looking out for his comrade,nothing to do with being reckless,gaara was also distracted by mei too,is he reckless?
Here,noones is going to distract him,so that point is irrelevant.

Susanoo caught him when he was distracted,they never got him before then. It grabbed him,so there wasnt much he could do.

Really?,
the second he is distracted madara places him in gejutsu,clearly he was trying

 

[Black Wolf]

Surviving against five Madara clones that had no intention of going all out does not reflect on what a serious Itachi would be capable of, with a higher level of armored Susano'o. Clones dilute the original's power by a significant amount when used in large amounts. Thus, unless you want to argue that Wave Arc Sasuke could go toe-to-toe with Zabuza, trying to equalize Madara's clones with Madara's actual capabilities is pointless.

Fact of the matter is, Raikage barely managed a draw against an inexperienced MS Sasuke that could barely maintain the ribcage Susano'o. Itachi is not only superior to Sasuke in the Mangekyo, but is also faster and better at Taijutsu. He lacks Raiton variants, but trying to physically tango with the guy that is three times his size won't be the first thing in mind.

The Raikage needs his Bijuu-chakra-level Shunshin to dodge Sasuke's Amaterasu, which had far more buildup than usual. Constantly maintaining that level of Shunshin throughout the entire battle is easier said than done, all while avoiding Amaterasu without fail and avoiding Susano'o arm grabs / Totsuka slashes. The Raikage cannot break any level of Susano'o above the ribcage.

Not decisively giving it to anyone here, but definitely feel that Itachi is not being given the full credit he deserves here.

 

[Tera Path]

I think that Itachi wins this.

Assuming the same scenarios as A vs Sasuke, but in a 1v1.

Amaterasu would've nearly killed or killed A if it wasn't for C.
Edo Itachi was good enough to keep up with Bee and KCM Naruto, I see no reason why he can't keep up with Ay.
Susano'o ribcage was sufficient for Sasuke to fight A, so Itachi could fight him.

TBH, you shouldn't of restricted genjutsu, it's literally a STAPLE for Itachi, I think that it would've been better off restricting paralyzing genjutsu and Tsukuyomi.

Only way for Itachi to kill Ay would be through Amaterasu, Susano'o wouldn't be fast enough to catch A, but it would provide a good defence.

This battle could go either way, but I'm rooting for Itachi.

 

[Ababeel]

A wins, mid-high difficult.

 

[LustyLover]

a wins, mid-high difficult.

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