A very hypothetical situation(Madara and Hashirama).

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The hypothetical situation is if Madara and Hashirama were not actually Edo's, but had all the same techniques the currently possess. So basically:

  • EMS Madara + Rinnega(Preta Path) + Mokuton
  • Hashirama + Sage mode

I honestly think Hashirama will win. Most of the Madara wankers(Madara Rules), will say no that's not the case, when logically it really is. Aspects we have to look at on Hashirama's side that makes him more likely to win:

1. Hashirama's chakra dwarfs Madara's.
2. Hashirama has more skill with mokuton than Madara(Proven as Madara is at a stalemate with Hashirama while using mokuton and the rinnegan).
3. Hashirama's instant healing.

These are most of the things Hashirama had over Madara since VOTE though right? Think about it this way. Hashirama was only pushed to his limits at VOTE because when he got serious(after defeating Kurama), Madara still basically was full on chakra. Hashirama had already used multiple techniques, then went sage mode and used shinsuusenju which probably took a massive chunk of chakra from him. All Madara had been doing up until this point was activate his susanoo...

Hashirama's chakra levels will be a massive advantage for him in this fight because:

1. Madara wouldn't use a meteor as that would probably wipe him clean of chakra(Plus Hashirama has a counter to it ;)).
2. While Madara can use Hashi's techniques, the same amount of chakra will be taken. If Madara is using the same techniques as Hashirama, Madara will obviously be drained of chakra much faster than Hashirama will.

A common argument from Madara fans is that he will have preta path so Hashirama's mokuton is useless. Not entirely. While I agree it would suck the chakra from the mokuton, it just wouldn't stop the momentum of it. Also, the entirety of the tree won't be sucked up, merely the chakra. The wood would still be there.

The things Madara has to overcome far exceeds the new feats he now has, to defeat Hashirama. Hashirama still has a counter to all of the techniques Madara has shown, even with him having Hashirama's powers and the rinnegan. Madara still doesn't have a counter to Shinsuusenju.

Before this is considered a wank, I do agree Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama. The thing that changes with them being alive is that they now have chakra levels, which Hashirama has been shown to have much, much more than Madara. Hopefully people agree and understand what I'm trying to say, I know it's a little much to understand for some of you.
 

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I agree, especially due to the chakra levels, but since when did Madara use Mokuton or Rinnegan against Edo Hashi?
 

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I agree, especially due to the chakra levels, but since when did Madara use Mokuton or Rinnegan against Edo Hashi?

I don't know, I merely assumed he did. I mean... why would Kishi give him all of Hashi's abilities, but then not use it against Hashirama...
 

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I don't know, I merely assumed he did. I mean... why would Kishi give him all of Hashi's abilities, but then not use it against Hashirama...

Hashirama got serious when Madara mentioned his power so he probably didn't use it. Why would Madara use it on Hashi when he can stall him without using Rinnegan and Mokuton (he was able to fight Hashi and Tobirama for a day straight with only EMS)? Kishi intentionally didn't show any panels with him using it, so I doubt he did. Although he did have his rinnegan activated so who even knows? I'm going with no until stated otherwise.
 

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Hashirama got serious when Madara mentioned his power so he probably didn't use it. Why would Madara use it on Hashi when he can stall him without using Rinnegan and Mokuton (he was able to fight Hashi and Tobirama for a day straight with only EMS)? Kishi intentionally didn't show any panels with him using it, so I doubt he did. Although he did have his rinnegan activated so who even knows? I'm going with no until stated otherwise.

I guess I'll agree, Kishi probably just doesn't want to draw a drawn out battle between them.
 

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I think you should take away mokuton. that is hashiramas move.
 

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I'm just wondering why you think Edo Madara>Edo Hashirama if you think that Edo Hashirama(NO Edo benefits) would beat Edo Madara (No Edo Benefits)
 

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I kind of agree with you. Madara and Hashirama are equals in all regards.. except for chakura reserves. Hashirama doesn't dwarf Madara but has a hell of a lot more chakura than Madara. Edo Hashirama and Edo Madara.. It all depends on "Shingei Tensei" vs "Shinsuusenju".. I've heard arguments both ways. I'm a big Madara fan but I think Hashirama is "slightly" above Madara in nearly all hypothetical forms [other than Edo as this one is debatable].
 

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Preta Path is useless against Sage Mode Hashirama, it'd make Madara petrified and shit (excuse my French). However, I do believe that if Madara was given his personal summon, Kurama, back, with all of his current abilities, he would win against Hashirama quite handily. Why? Because the only reason he lost last time was due to him not being able to see through Hashirama's wood clone (which through Madara's own words, takes at least EMS to see through), but with his chakra reserves being enhanced by them cells (don't say they aren't), he wouldn't be exhausted to the point that he would not be able to utilize his EMS.

Without Kurama, though? He's not messing with Shinjusenju.
 

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We don't know who's chakra levels are greater. All that we know is that Hashirama's chakra is enormous to the level of a bijuu.

Madara's chakra level is said to be the greatest among all of Uchiha history, whos chakra was said to be unparalleled. Also now Madara also has senju DNA. Other than that we don't know who has greater chakra.


But considering that their chakra levels are equivalent to a bijuu, then Madara should be able to use rinnegan techs like calling down a meteor no problem.


also the sharingan lets Madara copy Hashirama's techniques, while the rinnegan grants him mastery over those techniques......so his level of expertise should be equal to Hashirama
 

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Edo Madara is not above Edo Hashirama at all.
 

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Hashirama still wins. People need to realize Madara isn't a chakra tank he can't use the op techs of the rinnegan and mokuton and expect to stand against Hashirama.

And on top of that no buddha required this time.
 

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Hashirama still wins. People need to realize Madara isn't a chakra tank he can't use the op techs of the rinnegan and mokuton and expect to stand against Hashirama.

And on top of that no buddha required this time.

the fact that he can fight a day with hashi should tell you he has a large reserves of chakra and he controlled kuruma while using ps big chakra feat right there. controlling kuruma and using something as big as ps simultaneously is big feat. ofc hashirama has bigger reserve but madara is not too bad himself. and two madara has preta meaning ninjutsu are more sources of chakra to his already big chakra reserves so he shouldn't have problems using rinnegan techs. One such he can use meteors to severely damage buddha
 

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I'm just wondering why you think Edo Madara>Edo Hashirama if you think that Edo Hashirama(NO Edo benefits) would beat Edo Madara (No Edo Benefits)

You misunderstand. I belive Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama, while Alive Madara(With Edo benefits) < Alive Hashirama(Full strength/Not edo/Prime)
 

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You misunderstand. I belive Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama, while Alive Madara(With Edo benefits) < Alive Hashirama(Full strength/Not edo/Prime)

Doesn't make any sense since neither of them have sealing feats. They're effectively equals in that regard and the way you described in the OP stands as well.
 

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Madara make a clone, that clone soloes hashirama while the real one sits around and eat breakfast :I
 

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the fact that he can fight a day with hashi should tell you he has a large reserves of chakra and he controlled kuruma while using ps big chakra feat right there. controlling kuruma and using something as big as ps simultaneously is big feat. ofc hashirama has bigger reserve but madara is not too bad himself. and two madara has preta meaning ninjutsu are more sources of chakra to his already big chakra reserves so he shouldn't have problems using rinnegan techs. One such he can use meteors to severely damage buddha

The fact that Hashirama didn't go all out, should tell you something. The fact that Hashirama was able to kill Madara easily, when he actually decided to kill him.. should tell you something. The fact that Hashirama was only trying to stop what Madara threw at him should tell you something.

He can use meteors to severaly damage the buddha? why would Hashirama need to use the buddha in the first place? its pointless. He doesn't need it against the PS. Madara is actually not even on Hashirama's level in chakra reserves.... Hashirama's chakra is vast enough to crack rooms by him just raising it. Is Madara's? no. On top of that the Meteors are about big as a mountain... that is all...

Just cause they are rivals do not mean they were on each other's level. You Madara fans somehow think that is the case.
 

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You Sir are correct on it all.
 
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