A theory to support why Tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato

[iSpeak]

Using your statement, every shinobi capable of using ninjutsu have YIN YANG thus Naruto in part one who can use ninjutsu has YIN YANG?

That is exactly what I am saying. Do you know why Shinobi are able to create ninjutsu/walk on water etc and regular people can't? It is because of their control over forming chakra through Yin and Yang. Every Ninja/Shinobi is able to do it. You are getting it confused with Yin-Yang Release, which is a whole nother story. Shinobi need Yin and Yang in order to form chakra.

YIN YANG is the 6th NATURE element. Naruto does not have nature affinity in part 1.

It goes like this. YIN YANG=Nature Element=ninjutsu=shinobi=naruto?

To make it short: YIN YANG=Nature Element=naruto

Question: Does naruto uses nature affinity in part one? If not, then your argument is invalid.

Using Yin and Yang to from chakra is not the same as using Yin-Yang Release, that is where you are getting mixed up.

It's not the source of all but to some yes like shikamaru's techs, or yamanaka's techs. Others may fall in shape transformation.

Exactly, so saying FTG is Yin-Yang Release because it doesn't fall in any of the other Nature types is invalid. And I have already explained why FTG is Shape manipulation instead of Nature Manipultaion.

No argument needed here. Your last post states that only uchiha+senju/uzumaki DNA can use YIN YANG. I proved that Pain is not an uchiha but can use YIN YANG because of rinnegan.

Nagato was given his Rinnegan by a Uchiha... the Rinnegan gave him mastery of all elements but it didn't give him Yin-Yang Release. He was able to use it because he had Uchiha DNA (the Rinnegan) + Uzamaki DNA. Similar to how Danzo had Uchiha DNA (Sharingans) + Senju DNA (implanted by Oro) which allowed him to use Yin-Yang Release.

time to go to bed..nice discussing with you mate..

Ok cool, nice discussing with you too.

 

[777skills]

The biggest issue that we are having with the Itachi vs. Minato situation is that minato as a combat figure is incomplete and the uchiha fanboys will not recognize that minato was stated by multiple kage and someone the most influential characters in the series to be one of the i not the strongest ninja of his time (which is only about 16 years ago or so) so the minato fan boys are trying to explain to them that he must have the ability to respond to genjutsu in a way that makes him viable to be the villages head and even to be so highly reguarded by almost all the individuals who mention his name.

It even goes as far as me hearing some fan buys state that itachi was faster than minato. When one raikage said he is the fastest person alive and that before him was minato and that naruto has surpassed him and minato in the area of speed. Meaning that in order of fastest to slowest is Naruto KM/BM, Minato, A. and they will stills state that minato is slower than itachi or some BS.

While that has nothing to do with this topi the point of it is that when time comes for them to offer decent evidence most of them do not. Then when someone of minatos fanboys offer some type of explination that has even partial manga and logic support they dismiss it as PLOT or SPECULATION and MOST do not even try. Then IF they were to be proven right by the next manga they will take the credit for all the work of the single individual who tried. If someone asks what the derivative of (4x^2)+5000 is and someone answers 8x if you dont know how you got that conclusion or are unable to prove how you got that answer then the answer is useless. So the same way a minato fanboy can just state that minato can beat s06p with no evidence and be called "noob, stupid or face palmed" the same shouldgo for any itachi (or any other fan boy) that states that itachi (or any other character) can do so and so against minato (or any other character) they should be dismissed from the argument till they can back the claim they are standing by.

What has pissed me the most is that not too many people ( im not saying none because a few did support some of there claims) dismissed the TS opinion as PLOT or ridiculous or impossible without any type of proof.

RANT OVER

 

[Ninjinuity]

From the gist of things, I see Uchiha fans are trying to disprove that Minato's S/T techs are yin/yang releases, Therefore Tobi pwns.

Well I'm sure there were some things I didn't put in there, but TBH, I didn't understand them well. I was just thinking about how FTG's classification can decide who would pwn the other.

Using Yin and Yang to from chakra is not the same as using Yin-Yang Release, that is where you are getting mixed up.

This, and some more from the same post, made sense. I consider myself enlightened.

 

[777skills]

From the gist of things, I see Uchiha fans are trying to disprove that Minato's S/T techs are yin/yang releases, Therefore Tobi pwns.

Well I'm sure there were some things I didn't put in there, but TBH, I didn't understand them well. I was just thinking about how FTG's classification can decide who would pwn the other.




This, and some more from the same post, made sense. I consider myself enlightened.

The point of procing whether or not FTG is yin yang is that aif it is it can possibly mean that minato is able to counter ballance or over power people that use genjutsu on him with his yin yang energies. Its like if someone blew a fire ball at sasuke and he then blows a bigger fireball at them.

 

[MidgeMush]

No. If we go by LOGIC then it's unlikely that Tobi won't use genjutsu because it defeats his purpose and we know what Tobi's purpose is.

A speculation but with something to support. I believe there's two kind of speculation. A weak and strong type

Here's an example:

1. Minato has fire element: Absolutely a poor one because there is nothing to support this speculation.

2. Minato has wind: A strong one because of the hints given.

Hints:
A. Jiraiya said that Minato was a shrewd person, and was not a man who would do something without reason

B. Attempted to stab A using a kunai when A is using a lightning shroud.

C. Wind is greater than lightning.

If we add A+B+C, then there's a high possibility that Minato had wind element. This is speculation but a strong one.

Try to compare the two examples and you know what I mean. If someone will say, Minato can easily be trapped by a genjutsu, then he is speculating and of weak type. Why? because there is no evidence even the tiniest one to support that claim.

Look dude this is pointless, Tobi has only used Genjutsu on the fox since he's been around, And as for your theory to Minato having 3 elements hit's a brick wall, during Minato's training with the Rasengan technique, he wasn't able to complete the jutsu to it's full level, he used fire and the Rasengan blew up in his face, BUT if a shinobi is trying to perfect a technique and what your saying is that he had wind element then that would mean he would of mastered the RS...
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe space time jutsu ran in his clan but was extremly hard to master??? cause Naruto has shown some signs of becoming the next Yellow flash since going to Kyuubi mode.
And most Genjutsu wouldn't work on Minato anyway because he could just space time jutsu to get out of it.
Seriously this is all so stupid...

 

[MidgeMush]

I'm not saying he does that to avoid genjutsu btw, but he probs could, the status of hokage is hard to earn tbh

 

[ero sannin]

i agree with the orignal post on top of that i read in the manga that minato was so fast that genjutsu useres never had the chance to hit him with it even if they did try kind of like when we warped out of tobis little time space thing when they fought. he was so fast it was to the point that even if they tried to cast a genjutsu on him his ftg tech would allow him to manauver away from it. plus like you said it required yin and yang and if he is the master at chakra manipilation the ftg allows him to disrupt his chakra to the point he autmatically is immune to genjutsu. thats my thoughts

 

[MidgeMush]

Exactly, Minato was an awesome shinobi, and no one still know's who tobi is yet, he could be like another Danzo, got himself some eyes and won't have the power of the full sharingan, another point we havent even seen hes EMS he may not even have it

 

[Turson]

As strong as he was, Minato wasnt immune to Genjutsu.

 

[hun655]

good job +rep

 

[sdam]

No one is immune to genjutsu. I think the reason why Tobi did not trap minato in genjutsu was because minato was not stubid enough to look into the eyes of one who he though was madara uchiha, as we also see when minato puts the contract seal on tobi he doesn't look into the eyes of him he look's out in the air.

 

[MidgeMush]

.... No one said he was immune, we're just saying his skillful enough to avoid a genjutsu

 

[Narubro]

FTG is like a summoning jutsu, since you can summon yourself wherever the seals are

 

[Scryed]

I honestly believe that FTG is a type of summoning. Just like someone has to place a seal on the ground (or in Sasuke's case, on the air when he fought Danzo) to summon something, Minato has seals on his Kunai and everything else he can place a seal on to be able to summon himself to that spot. Maybe the way that Minato transports himself is the same way that fukasaku summoned Naruto to that one place so that he could learn Sage Mode.

As for the Minato vs Tobi thing. I do believe that the reason why he didn't attempt to use genjutsu on Minato during that fight was because he was concentrating on the fox at the time.

I do believe you on the part in which why Tobi hadn't put Minato in a genjutsu before casting genjutsu on the fox to tame it or after Minato broke his control over the fox.

Perhaps Tobi didn't cast a genjutsu on him before the fight because its not Tsukiyomi so it would waste his time and if the fox manages to come out of Kushina during the genjutsu, he would kill Minato along with Tobi too.

After the fight, perhaps the reason why he couldn't catch him in a genjutsu was because the seal Minato put on him to break control over the fox was actually a seal to undo any kind of genjutsu currently in play or maybe even a seal to prevent the target from temporarily even casting a genjutsu.

I just came up with these ideas while I wrote.These ideas are pure speculation but it could be possible. Both Tobi and Minato are big mysteries. Though if they were to fight again, I don't think it would end up the same way.

Yin could be Uchiha which would be spiritual while Yang could be Senju which would be physical. The Sage was known to have a Yin-Yang release, the power of Uchiha and Senju, and used Yin to create a form and Yang to breathe life into that form. Something like that or vice-versa. This is the reason why I don't think a technique like FTG is Yin-Yang.

The Shinobi who teleported Mei also knew FTG. They learned it from Minato. So I think that anyone could pretty much learn it but no one knows how to.

These are my thoughts.

 

[Viewtiful]

Urg. No one knows exactly what techniques are Yin Release and Yang Release, other than the 2nd Mizukage's clam illusion possibly. Only Izanagi and the Sage's CoAT ability are the things that are known for sure to use Yin and Yang, in those cases, together as Yin-Yang Release.

 

[MidgeMush]

No the seal that Minato put on tobi had nothing to do with genjutsu, it was to free the fox

 

[jorgelius]

yeah it was contract seal its fuuinjutsu

 

[-Hades-]

First of all ii want to apologize because i don't have the time to read all posts, and i am sorry if this was stated before.

Now regarding the first post... your theory on the reason why Tobi didn't use genjutsu on Minato is because he had Yin-Yang release is just a pure speculation... you do not have manga proof for this (like a known Yin-Yang user resisting a genjutsu) let alone the part with Minato having Yin-Yang release in the first place (yea that is plausible).

For your theory to be valid we should have seen Tobi trying to cast a genjutsu on Minato and then seeing Minato escaping it with ease, or resisting it... This being said we didn't see anything that would lead us to think that Minato used any sort of yin-Yang jutsu (or simply the nature itself) to make himself immune to genjutsu.

Also remember that this is just a STORY. Everything happens the way the writer wants it to... There are many things that if they were to happen you wouldn't be reading Naruto right now... the story would have been long over.

 

[Tylor]

look there you go again ignoring plot and decided to change it into a hint

we already told u what the answer but apparently u don't want to listen if it don't suit ur opinion,

kishomoto has been using plot shield since the manga start, that was in order to entertain the readers so it won't be boring and lame,

for example
Edo Deidara can easily spam C0 and kill all ppl in the war but kishi don't make him do that since it will be boring,
Edo Madara can also spam that meteor to destroy the 5th kage but nah kishi didn't do that
Current Naruto was said to be able to sense malicious/evil/killing intent from miles away, with that he can easily find sasuke but kishi don't do that since it will kill the excitement
and there is itachi when j-man appear in to save naruto, if we are using ur so called logic itachi can amaterasu j-man or tsukoyomi, but it will be lame if someone like j-man got owned by a new character like itachi,

so the answer is plot shield and kishimoto is responsible for that, its sad since u use kishimoto quote while u deny what kishimoto did in his manga

+REP THANK GOD,somebody thinks logical

 

[ajpn920]

so the answer is plot shield and kishimoto is responsible for that, its sad since u use kishimoto quote while u deny what kishimoto did in his manga

The bolded part. My quote from Kishimoto "That unrivalled strength [Minato], that carefree smile.." Now, I look it as a HINT. Isn't this a HINT? Do you still want to call it as a PLOT?