Well, well, if it isn't the famous ajpn920.....
The irony is that you talk about logic, but you don't use much of that.
Firstly, you can't conclude that Minato is immune to genjutsu just because Tobi didn't use that on him.
Itachi didn't use genjutsu on Nagato, but does that mean Nagato is immune to genjutsu? No. One more thing is that Tobi was using genjutsu to control the nine tails, and it is possible that he thought he could defeat Minato by using his dimensional transfer technique. He clearly underestimated Minato, and that led to his apparent defeat.
Tobi's purpose was to use the nine tails to destroy Konoha, and not to defeat Minato. His first priority was the nine tails, and not Minato.
About FTG being Yin/Yang or whatever, it is probable. However, Itachi's Tsukuyomi, which you have classified under the "Yin" category, cannot be broken by "COUNTERBALANCING" it. The only way to get out of it is by possessing the Sharingan and Uchiha bloodline.
"Counterbalancing" genjutsu by disrupting chakra flow is how everyone manages to break free from genjutsu. This logic however does not apply to Tsukuyomi.
Just as Amaterasu can't be put out by Suiton, Tsukuyomi cannot be broken by counterbalancing it. Comparing Tsukuyomi to ordinary genjutsu is like comparing Amaterasu to ordinary Katon.U_U
Many people can break out of genjutsu by pumping chakra of the same type and cancelling it, but the time taken by them to do that gives the caster an opening to attack, as we've seen with Orochimaru and Itachi.
Well, since OP has been bashing out on everyone's intelligence, let me bash out on his argument. And OP, please feel honored that I joined the forums just for you and your argument's sake.
First off was the analyzation of FTG's mechanics. I agree that any space-time could logically fall under yin and yang. I'm really leaning toward that it's a combination of yin and yang plus shape transformation due to the fact that all s/t involves manipulation of both SPACE and time. One not so solid evidence from my assumption is the fact that Tobi's arm was kind of falling off (EWW and chapter 503 p 3 and latest episode btw) and disintegrating after he got hit by a rasengan from Yondaime Hokage. Knowing that Tobi uses his s/t migration so often, we could safely say that this disintegration is a consequence of his abuse of using s/t migration. After being hit, more than likely, he lost control of his chakra and more or less, he is also losing the form/shape of his body. Which is why I'm thinking shape matters in the aspect where manipulation of point of space is needed.
Where the logic goes wrong? Mastery of Yin and Yang release. Just because one has mastered a Yin and Yang release technique (even mainly yin) doesn't mean that they have mastered yin and yang release. My counter examples are the Nara clan's shadow jutsus (they use yin yang to control shadows), Naruto's kagebunshin (utilizes yin/yang release to create clones), Yamanaka clan's mind jutsus (pretty sure they use their imagination to project their minds), and Sai's Ink Jutsus(yin/yang to keep the form and give life to his drawings). All of these guys are still subject to genjutsu.
Just to remind everyone, we should all know yin creates shape and form from nothingness (well not from nothingness in the case of other yin/yang users) and yang gives life (chapter 510 pg 11). Even it is actually said by the 2nd Mizukage (ch 548 pg 18) that genjutsu is under yin release...
Does counterbalancing work with genjutsu? (specifically tsukuyomi if ever tobi ends up to use it. Hell, we haven't even seen him have a mangekyou in his current state) Truth is, you don't need to counter balance genjutsu. All you need is to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra either from yourself (if you're strong enough), or somebody else who can "release" you using their own chakra that even bijuus can stop genjutsu (just that Kurama didn't care about Naruto back then). Other ways are intense pain, being able to see/sense through the genjutsu through sharingan or I guess other techniques, or chilli pepper bombs from the anime.
Here's what I think:
Both Minato and Tobi are master tacticians. Hell if you read the manga/watch the episode, you read/hear Minato analyzing every aspect of the battlefield, even the tone of Tobi. Tobi on the other hand mustered up plans as the leader of the Akatsuki and even being able to manipulate Nagato with his own ideology.
In knowing that Minato is also a tactician, I'm pretty sure Tobi knows trying to catch Minato would be awfully hard and end up as an openning to the Yellow Flash. Besides, if he uses tsukuyomi, he'll end up having a down time trying to focus tsukuyomi (or even more if he doesn't have an eternal mangekyou) which would be a lethal mistake if the opponent is really fast. We don't know if Tobi has a tsukuyomi-level genjutsu, but logically, if he did, I'm pretty sure he would have used it when he was holding Naruto as a hostage. Why? Yondaime Hokage would be the biggest threat to his plan of releasing the kyuubi. It would be best to take care of the biggest threat at the time that you have a hostage than just teleport Kushina away.
I'd say both were playing mind games/chess with their battle. Which is why Kishi decided to have Minato say that whoever hits the quickest and obviously, Tobi knew that as well (mini seconds before he managed to hold Minato which he unluckily got hit by the rasengan).
It basically boils down to Tobi not intending to use it (2) through the logical assumption that both are very rational tacticians.
PS. We don't need to insult people's intelligence just because they can't make an effective argument. You just end up looking like a kid who's looking for acknowledgement that your argument just makes sense. Like really? This kind of attention-whoring is for kids who never knew how to argue and just found their first logical argument that other people agree on.
The way you keep saying thank you to almost every person who agrees and fiercely defensive insults to those who agree is a proof of that. There is so much lack of respect that it's clearly spelling out that your objective for those messages isn't for argument but rather attention and acknowledgement. Sir, all you need to say is for people to reread again your argument and try to understand it. Another thing, some people haven't even learned how to analyze. Analytical skill is a LEARNED skill not some sort of genius skill. Even if a lot of people doesn't know how to analyze, at least respect them.
PPS. I'm a Naruto and Sasuke fan btw mainly because I can relate to both of them. Just to say, Naruto deserved his acknowledgement and same for the 4th Hokage. You had an argument that justified that kind of acknowledgement but your attitude towards those who disagree is totally ridiculous.
[editted to make sure that the OP knows that I'm posting this just for him]
sorry seems like here is many intresting post about what maker tried to say in essence: minato can change location under genjutsu and therefore cancel it. okay possible i see this very possible, but as u put out both are/if are yin tech if we see that in angle like while in itachi's tsukyomi is impure world and minato's pure world/ literally not in genjutsu, both can master these extremely high level techniques in their world??
Part 2 we know that itachi's tsukyomi is for sure yin tech / space, time and even mass of objects is under his control "kakashi: impossible to break" if kakashi could say under it exm: "touch" kurenai understand that she need to release it but kakashi could not that give's us a hint one cannot do anything in "pure world" while under (tsukyomi) different case with one that tamed oro, besides FTG works with seals it could even be just high advanced reverse summon. SUMMON can't just see jiraya summoning gababunta in itachi's genjutsus... ahh
everlasting minato vs itachi debate (this goes over line but i don't care) do we assume that itachi can use kotoamatsukami it was sealed inside him afterall? u represent ur idea's / "hints" as facts with rude tong and not much to back it up, be respectfull anyone can start thread with long post but don't act like ur god coz of it..
The Yin Release (陰遁, Inton; Viz "Dark Style") techniques, based on the spiritual energy that governs the imagination, can be used to create form out of nothingness.
Minato can't do that.
The Yang Release (陽遁, Yōton; Viz "Light Style") techniques, based on the physical energy that governs vitality, can be used to breathe life into form.
Guys, please read the title. It clearly states "theory". This thread was all about PLOTvs HINT. Since no one can give any logical reason why it would be PLOT, I made a theory supported by little facts why it should be a HINT. I DID NOT say that Minato having YIN YANG is a FACT. It is still a theory. A THEORYis still a THEORY. Didn't I supported it with little facts? Yes, I have..what facts am I referring to? Here they are:
A. FTG is a NINJUTSU. Chakra is needed to form a NINJUTSU: This is a FACT!
B. There are two methods of manipulating chakra: Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation: FACT!
C. There are 6 types of nature elements: FACT!
Based from these little facts, I've tried to deduce it's mechanics which eventually leads me to believe it's YIN YANG!
Once again, this is all about PLOT vs HINT. I have my opinion on the Minato vs Tobi and I believe that it was a HINT and not a PLOT therefore I created a THEORY to support my claim. Now, where is the logic behind the PLOT?
Since Uchiha fans always bashing Minato fans that we can't use logic at all then what do you call mine? Isn't my theory supported by facts? Since I have gathered these little facts, can't I use them to analyze what affinity FTG is made of?
We are entitled to our opinion. Why not make a thread about it being a PLOT and support your answer. We'll see how the majority of NB users will respond.
not any kind of fan boy and i think that was a good arguement
but i have a different idea
your argument says minato was a master of yin and yang element, what if he actually mastered three elements like Onoki and dust release. what if minato had a kg that was space / time. dust release is made up of earth wind and fire, so what if space / time is a different three,like wind fire and lightning. like you said we don't know anything about minato except the fight seen with tobi. and no one else has been seen using a space / time technique that i can think of, only minato
according to me dust release is more like a bloodline limit. space time jutsu isn't a bloodline limit. i mean even naruto can use it.(summoning is a space time jutsu).
I have seen enough threads about Minato's immunity to genjutsu. I've noticed that most of these threads are made by an Uchiha fan. I don't know what they're up to but I'm certain they try to humiliate Minato's fan. They're claiming that Minato fans does not use logic so I started it by asking the question why Tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato. The answer from these self proclaiming Uchiha geniuses fanboys are:
1. PLOT
2. Tobi did not intend to use it
3. Was not able to use genjutsu because he was controlling the fox.
Let's discuss number 2. This answer is really stupid and whoever answer this is dumb. This answer defeats Tobi's purpose. Where is the logic behind this answer? Nothing at all...
Let's proceed to the 3rd one. Tobi had all the time to cast genjutsu on Minato when he took Naruto as a hostage. Once again
Hihihi... Na not by far, throw in another 15 years. It's the topic and what you were saying that was boring. Not the way you write it. Honestly I think that over analyzing a Manga is boring all together. It's supposed to be entertainment, it's not Descartes...
Hihihi... Na not by far, throw in another 15 years. It's the topic and what you were saying that was boring. Not the way you write it. Honestly I think that over analyzing a Manga is boring all together. It's supposed to be entertainment, it's not Descartes...
Actually, I disagree. Over analyzing a Manga can in fact teach you several things in life... especially Naruto. There's powerful messages that authors want to say behind their Mangas. In the case of Kishi, I don't know if it's intentional.
Someone in mangafox forums had mentioned that every six paths of buddhism (since the idea of six paths is derived from buddhism) there is a character that represents each. Naruto represents the path of vigor and diligence.
Now, I really think Kishi was trying to say that it is more rewarding to follow that path of diligence as we can see, Naruto at first was despised by people but through his diligence and attitude, people started believing in him. Eventually, all shinobis believed in him (as we see in the last chapter). I'm pretty sure there is a reason why it is called "The Path Toward Radiance" when translated to English. I'll let you guys infer to what that meant and its connection towards Naruto.
"In the end, no matter how f**ed up you were growing up, if you follow this path, you'll be the one that everybody believes in." - at least that's how I imagine Kishi would say. Even if I was wrong in assumption. It's really enjoyable to know about themes, symbolic representations, and learning small hinted messages about life.
nah... i dont believe your reasoning fully....
1) PLOT: you say there is nothing about plot here, well naruto series is fully dependent on plot and nothing else.... thats y fans like me and you are created...
2)Tobi did not intend to use it.... looks absurd but there are still chances that tobi underestimated minato and really did not intend to use it.... though i also do not agree with this but it can also be true as far as kishi is concerned
3) Was not able to use genjutsu because he was controlling the fox. : yes it can also be valid but who knows... since he thought he can finish minato without nin and at the time when he had naruto in his hand he just concentrated on capturing kyuubi.... still sounds plausible? yes
and about your speculation that he is a master of yin yang release... could be true but it still does not satisfy this fully...
what i think is that tobi does not have his genjutsu as stong as itachi and that KA guy(forgot his name ) .. thats why he did not rely on using genjutsu as a weapon against a hokage who can move in seconds where each seconds count.... that is why he just relied on his reliable techniques only and si not take any risks
Guys, please read the title. It clearly states "theory". This thread was all about PLOTvs HINT. Since no one can give any logical reason why it would be PLOT, I made a theory supported by little facts why it should be a HINT. I DID NOT say that Minato having YIN YANG is a FACT. It is still a theory. A THEORYis still a THEORY. Didn't I supported it with little facts? Yes, I have..what facts am I referring to? Here they are:
A. FTG is a NINJUTSU. Chakra is needed to form a NINJUTSU: This is a FACT!
B. There are two methods of manipulating chakra: Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation: FACT!
C. There are 6 types of nature elements: FACT!
Based from these little facts, I've tried to deduce it's mechanics which eventually leads me to believe it's YIN YANG!
Once again, this is all about PLOT vs HINT. I have my opinion on the Minato vs Tobi and I believe that it was a HINT and not a PLOT therefore I created a THEORY to support my claim. Now, where is the logic behind the PLOT?
Since Uchiha fans always bashing Minato fans that we can't use logic at all then what do you call mine? Isn't my theory supported by facts? Since I have gathered these little facts, can't I use them to analyze what affinity FTG is made of?
We are entitled to our opinion. Why not make a thread about it being a PLOT and support your answer. We'll see how the majority of NB users will respond.
At least point out to them that 1) They need evidence 2) That they infer upon that evidence which leads them to why it supports their argument.
You tried using the FTG analysis as how to analyze but you didn't address how to actually make a strong argumentation.
And just to point out to everyone:
If people don't believe your argument, that means either a) you don't have solid evidence, b) your evidence doesn't support what you're saying, c) your argumentation is still vague and/or not logical, d) you failed to communicate effectively with your argument.
OP, your argument falls under category d. I get where you're going at, but still it doesn't justify to bash on intelligence for people not getting your argument. It could still simply mean that your argumentation is not effective enough. I'd rather bash out myself if I didn't effectively argue, than blame it on them for not getting it. That is, I'll admit, I quite often fail to communicate my arguments.
Hello Guys. First of all, thank you for participating in the discussion. It reaches several pages so it's good for me to know that there're enough people trying their best to give their thoughts. I may be right for some, and not for others. We are entitled to our opinion and as they say, we can't please everybody. This thread was all about HINT vs PLOT. If it turns out that the story was only a PLOTthen I congratulate each one of you in advance, but if it turns out to be a HINT, then please stop bashing every members as well as every Minato fans.
I have no intention of making this topic long, so I would like to ask a few questions. Please respect this and answer it BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW. The questions are answerable by TRUEor FALSE.
Note: If your answer is FALSE, please explain and don't proceed to the next number! Here are the questions:
1. FTG is a NINJUTSU
2. Ninjutsu uses Chakra
3. Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation are the ONLY method of manipulating chakra
4. FTG is NOTShape Transformation
5. Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water, and YIN YANG are the ONLYtype of nature elements
6. Everyone CAN'T have YIN YANG because it is ONE of the TYPE of nature elements and no one can use all types except Rinnegan user
7. FTG can't be classified as Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water
**For question 8 (Please refer to the answer from question 3 and 4 first!)**
8. FTG is Nature Transformation!
**For question 9 (Please refer to the answer from question 5 and 7 first!) Since there are only 6 types of nature elements and FTG can't be classsified as Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water**
9. FTG is therefore the 6th element YIN YANG!
Since YIN release and YANG release are needed to form a NINJUTSU, then is it possible that Minato is a master of YIN release and YANG release? No one can create a NINJUTSU if he can't master his/her element well.
While it's true that two techniques of the same nature would cancel each other out if the same amount of chakra was put into them like Kakashi's fight with Kakuzu, where he was able to cancel Kakuzu's Lightning Release by deflecting it with his own technique, is it possible for Minato to counter YIN release techniques with his own YIN techniques?
Unlike Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water techs where we can see them if being used, YIN release can't be seen because it is based on the spiritual energy that governs the imagination.
MY POINT: Since I don't believe the story to be PLOT but rather a HINT, this COULD be one of the reason why we did not see Tobi using a sharingan on Minato. This is my OPINION with some explanation behind it.
There you go guys. Thank you for your participation and have a great day!
I think the TS is trying to state that whenever an Uchiha Fanboy or a Minato hater pits Minato against Itachi all they say is "He gets caught in a genjutsu and he is dead. How will he know he is in a genjutsu. Itach pwns Minato because minato will get failed against genjutsu. Minato fan boys dont use logic." NOW we have a Minato fan stating !. Minato is not immune to genjutsu, but it is POSSIBLE for him to be able to "counterbalance" the technique IF he is able to counter the jutsu with the same amount of chakra used on them. He then uses LOGIC to prove his speculations. The TS then asks ALL of the people how are stating that this is wrong because of PLOT (this is also the same people stating that Minato Fans dont use LOGIC). Does anyone see anything funny about these people who are against Minato? Someone is using logic to prove their statements which was the request of someone else and now that someone is using logic to support there speculations the someone else is stating that PLOT is what makes this speculation invalid.----My question is how can you state that the plot is what makes this impossible since you don't know what happens at the end But who an I to state that?
But anyway. I thinks its ridiculous to state that since Minato wasn't put in a genjutsu that he is IMMUNE to it and i also think that is is MORE RIDICULOUS to state that since no one is immune to genjutsu that Minato automatically loses to people with high level genjutsu (madara, itachi, (possibly sasuke)).
What does make sense is that genjutsu users know that it might not be so easy to trap someone in a genjutsu since they maybe able to easily counter it or that it would be a waste of time to put them in one or that it will be too much of a hassle to put someone in a genjutsu when they will break out scratch free.
EX 1. Madara vs 5 HOKAGE--by this logic (minato not being shown to have been able to break out of a genjutsuthen he is pwnd by it) madara would instantly wreck all of the hokage since his intentions is to kill them (i think).
EX 2. Raikage vs. Sasuke-- Since raikage wasnt shown to have broken a genjutsu then he must (by that logic) be weak to it and sasuke would have wrecked him in 2 seconds.
Both of those make no sense.
Also I read some people stating that you cannot master yin and yang release techniques if you are not senju or uchiha or both. Why not? If a ninja has water affinity chakra what is stopping them from mastering water jutsu? Nothing right... So essentially it should work the same way for ninja with yin or yang majority energy. If they practice ying/yang techniques they should eventually have mastered the type. It is plausible that you cannot master BOTH if you are not senju and uchiha.
I think that the SPECULATIONS that of the TS make sense. But i think that it goes alittle but further than whether or not he was placed in a genjutsu.
As for itachi vs anyone threads its silly to assume that itachi will instantely genjutsu all his opponents (well in his case maybe not) but the point is that in the entire series jutsu becuase one of the two fighter has a high proficiency in genjutsu they dont always lead the fight with it so its stupid to assume that in all situations minato will get caught in a genjutsu or that itachi will even use it.
Lol calling a group of people retards and fanboys while you're basing your answers purely on Speculations and Fanboyism. It's actually two reasons why Tobi didn't use Genjutsu, only two :
1. PLOT... how many times did kishi use a Plot shield to cover things up, the reason why Kishi didn't make Tobi use a Genjutsu is simply the fact that their isn't any possible way that Minato would break it. I mean Tobi Controlled a Bijuu, if he uses the same level genjutsu he did, on Minato, Minato is a goner. Another reason to prove that it was a Plot, is the fact that Kishi needed Minato to do the things he did.... ( saving the village, his son, sealing the Kyuubi ).
2. Tobi simply underestimated Minato. ( which is simply the best answer since Kishi wrote the PLOT, Minato isn't stronger than Tobi, but if Tobi haven't retreated that time, things would've been different ( meaning Minato possibly dying or being delayed by Tobi ) , leaving the things he did to the village after Tobi left.... UNDONE!!! I also think that it would be hard even for Tobi to use two Genjutsu at the same time.... it was simply a PLOT, Deal with it. ( Note that I hate the Uchihas and I think they're a Pathetic clan, and me being a Fanboy of Itachi who himself said it... A pathetic clan which only sought power and nothing more )
Look at it this way, Let's say Minato > Tobi for a sec.... even that being the Issue Tobi is still a strong Opponent... So If Tobi stayed and fought with Minato, or even used a Genjutsu, Whatever they might have done would DELAY the arriving of Minato to save the Village, also that fight would've made him loose most of his chakra.... again PLOT!!!
Hello Guys. First of all, thank you for participating in the discussion. It reaches several pages so it's good for me to know that there're enough people trying their best to give their thoughts. I may be right for some, and not for others. We are entitled to our opinion and as they say, we can't please everybody. This thread was all about HINT vs PLOT. If it turns out that the story was only a PLOTthen I congratulate each one of you in advance, but if it turns out to be a HINT, then please stop bashing every members as well as every Minato fans.
I have no intention of making this topic long, so I would like to ask a few questions. Please respect this and answer it BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW. The questions are answerable by TRUEor FALSE.
Note: If your answer is FALSE, please explain and don't proceed to the next number! Here are the questions:
1. FTG is a NINJUTSU
2. Ninjutsu uses Chakra
3. Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation are the ONLY method of manipulating chakra
4. FTG is NOTShape Transformation
5. Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water, and YIN YANG are the ONLYtype of nature elements
6. Everyone CAN'T have YIN YANG because it is ONE of the TYPE of nature elements and no one can use all types except Rinnegan user
7. FTG can't be classified as Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water
**For question 8 (Please refer to the answer from question 3 and 4 first!)**
8. FTG is Nature Transformation!
**For question 9 (Please refer to the answer from question 5 and 7 first!) Since there are only 6 types of nature elements and FTG can't be classsified as Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water**
9. FTG is therefore the 6th element YIN YANG!
Since YIN release and YANG release are needed to form a NINJUTSU, then is it possible that Minato is a master of YIN release and YANG release? No one can create a NINJUTSU if he can't master his/her element well.
While it's true that two techniques of the same nature would cancel each other out if the same amount of chakra was put into them like Kakashi's fight with Kakuzu, where he was able to cancel Kakuzu's Lightning Release by deflecting it with his own technique, is it possible for Minato to counter YIN release techniques with his own YIN techniques?
Unlike Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water techs where we can see them if being used, YIN release can't be seen because it is based on the spiritual energy that governs the imagination.
MY POINT: Since I don't believe the story to be PLOT but rather a HINT, this COULD be one of the reason why we did not see Tobi using a sharingan on Minato. This is my OPINION with some explanation behind it.
There you go guys. Thank you for your participation and have a great day!
*Sigh* so it was you. I had a couple of people vming me talking about how some guy clearly infatuated by me decided to honour me and create a thread about my sig. Sorry to break it to you but this infatuation is one sided. Im not a girl nor am i gay., therefore its best to take your infatuation somewhere else U_U
That would turn out to be a hot thread.. His avi I mean her avi looks gay to me. I would like to apologize for calling her mama's boy...I'll call her papa's girl instead... So, she's the girlfriend of the great Itachi...now I know..pls don't let your BF "tsukuyomi" me Blaze...LOL
Where do i start with this guy. Seems like alot of people have actually taken time in their life to actually argue with you and we still havent gotten far. It seems like you are clearly interested in me from constantly calling my name and quoting me at every opportunity. If you havent realised the only time ive quoted you is when you quote me. Ive never quoted you first because i just brush your posts aside. Similarly the idea of remembering my name and constantly shouting it is is rather weird. I dont even remember your username, thats how much you interest me. If i was to take my time with you on this thread, it would take me forever. Not because what youve said is great, but rather the opposite. A time comes when a post is so ridden with mistakes and fails and the op instead thinks its logical, you just have to allow them to believe what they believe.
Im actually surprised that this thread hasnt been considered a troll thread and closed tbh, therefore in order for me not to revive such a thread and instead allow it to die down, this will be my last post, after all ive learnt this from a friend;
Lol calling a group of people retards and fanboys while you're basing your answers purely on Speculations and Fanboyism. It's actually two reasons why Tobi didn't use Genjutsu, only two :
1. PLOT... how many times did kishi use a Plot shield to cover things up, the reason why Kishi didn't make Tobi use a Genjutsu is simply the fact that their isn't any possible way that Minato would break it. I mean Tobi Controlled a Bijuu, if he uses the same level genjutsu he did, on Minato, Minato is a goner. Another reason to prove that it was a Plot, is the fact that Kishi needed Minato to do the things he did.... ( saving the village, his son, sealing the Kyuubi ).
2. Tobi simply underestimated Minato. ( which is simply the best answer since Kishi wrote the PLOT, Minato isn't stronger than Tobi, but if Tobi haven't retreated that time, things would've been different ( meaning Minato possibly dying or being delayed by Tobi ) , leaving the things he did to the village after Tobi left.... UNDONE!!! I also think that it would be hard even for Tobi to use two Genjutsu at the same time.... it was simply a PLOT, Deal with it. ( Note that I hate the Uchihas and I think they're a Pathetic clan, and me being a Fanboy of Itachi who himself said it... A pathetic clan which only sought power and nothing more )
Look at it this way, Let's say Minato > Tobi for a sec.... even that being the Issue Tobi is still a strong Opponent... So If Tobi stayed and fought with Minato, or even used a Genjutsu, Whatever they might have done would DELAY the arriving of Minato to save the Village, also that fight would've made him loose most of his chakra.... again PLOT!!!
Those are some of the reasons. I intentionally created a thread explaining two things and id not only copy and paste the part that is relevant to this thread, id copy and paste the url aswell. Funny how the op doesnt mention the fact that tobi controlling the fox with his sharigan, the same eyes that he couldve used on minato yet he didnt. Similarly in the recent chapters, its clearly been said that controlling a tailed beasts requires absolute concentration and tobi controlling the strongest tailed beasts of all is bound to take great concentration therefore he cannot possibly use this whilst trying it at minato aswell
Now that the issue concerning minato's apparent genjutsu immunity is over. Ill explain the argument why tobi didnt use genjutsu on minato. This is basically the logic minato fans have resorted to, then again whats new U_U. Apparently because tobi didnt use genjutsu on minato, minato is immune? .
First all Tobi might be a genjutsu user but so far he hasnt shown true skill in genjutsu like other noticeable characters in battle to say the least. The only time he used genjutsu in battle was against Konan and this time he was forced to otherwise he wouldve died at the cost of an eye. He Used izanagi which casts genjutsu on the USER. He hasn't used genjutsu on another person in battle the way others have done;
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He is good at it to control Yagura and the fox, but he it clearly isnt his fighting style or he isnt skilled at it to use it in actual combat.
To those who say why didnt he use it against minato, therefore minato is immune. Ask yourself this, why did he use this against Fu and Torune, and team kakashi or are all of them immune to genjutsu aswell. Basically saying minato is immune because tobi didnt use it is basically saying team kakashi, fu and torune, bee and gai are also immune, but there is one slight problem.
If they are all immune to genjutsu, since tobi didnt use, then explain this;
Sakura genjutsu;
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Sai genjutsu;
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Kakashi genjutsu;
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Naruto, lmao, do i even need to upload a pic of naruto in genjutsu U_U;
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Basically you are saying, because tobi didnt use genjutsu on minato, fu, torune, kiba, kakashi, sakura, yamato, sai, naruto, bee, gai shino they are all immune?. Come on what retarded logic is this?. Id doesnt even deserve to be labelled logic, its just retarded.
Also you could argue that the control of the 9 tails limited his use with the genjutsu. If you go back to his recent fight's its clear that the control of a tailed beasts requires alot of effort and him casting controlling the 9 tails with genjutsu obviously must have limits him the same way it does here;
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Finally every fight has an element of plot no jutsu to it. Tobi couldve killed naruto when he had him in his arms, yet he threw him in the air. If he killed naruto, then there wouldnt be a show. Similarly if he controlled minato instead of the fox, then nobody couldve stopped him. Similarly he couldve easily stalled minato the same way he did to team kakashi and not attack meaning he doesnt need to solidify therefore he stays intangible.
Basically there are more logically reasons why tobi didnt use genjutsu
