A theory to support why Tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

Hashirama
3rd raikage
Tobirama
Muu
2nd Mizukage
A (today, with 16 years of more experiance than when he faced him first time)(arguably)

Add Prime Hiruzen into the list.Because if Hashirama can beat him via hype,so would Hiruzen.​

 

[ajpn920]

Oh man... here it goes again... ~~~

Can you minato fanboys just STFU for just ONE FREAKING DAY!!!!

I've had more than enough to see "minato this, minato that, minato pissis this way, minato likes it hard" etc... F*ck minato. He is a dead char, never coming back from the dead. The best thing he could do to protect his village was to suicide, in order to seal HALF of a Biju in the Shinigami, wile his son beated 5 of them... So, for one day, just stop geting all excited over minato, and let people enjoy this forum... Seriously, you are getting really anoying...

Minato was a strong kage, possibly the 6th or 7th strongest ever to live. But there are people far above kage level, worthing more your admiration.

and, because people are gonna try and argue with me for him being 6 or 7, take a good look at this:

Hashirama
3rd raikage
Tobirama
Muu
2nd Mizukage
A (today, with 16 years of more experiance than when he faced him first time)(arguably)
minato


so, just one day without mentioning minato. Is that too much to ask for?

You know that you're in a discussion thread right? If you want to participate, post something that is worth discussing. You don't have the right to tell us when to discuss or what topic to discuss. If you don't like the topic, then feel free to leave.

 

[warlee]

the one who responsible for the plot and plot shield is kishimoto, that's enough prove to conclude my argument,

what about your logic ?

man i think the one who create this thread have a low comprehensive ability no offence no manga page or manga evidence or even databook statement or hype says minato is immune or cannot be trapped in genjutsu but because it's not used against him immune what kind of logic is this fanboy logic much? infact the the guy that create the thread minato fanboy logic speaks the truth. And ask me what is his argument? Ftg is yin yang where was that stated? And even then those that master yin have been shown to be trapped in genjutsu. E.g nagato,danzo.
Because a tech isn't use against a person doesn't mean he is immune. So that means minato can not be caught in any genjutsu tsukiyomi? Kotoamatsuki? Frogsong? Mugen tsukiyomi? Even if he is stab by itach's sake cup tosuka he won't have an eternal dream?

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You can read my post. If you can't determine the logic behind it then it's your loss. Now my question, where is your logic? I did not say that there is no plot in a manga. There is a plot and a hint at the same time. we can look both of them and from there, analyze things that has the most logical reason. I can't find logical reason with a plot. Even you and the others that supported this "plot" thing can't give any reasons. Anyways, that's your opinion so I will respect that.

plot shield is required to protect storyline, if tobi use genjutsu on minato back then, then the story is at loss since if minato was controlled by tobi then baby naruto will died and no more konoha,

that is the logical explanation why kishi decided to do that.

 

[warlee]

Can some1 tell me the difference btw a person that can not be trapped in genjutsu and some 1 that is immune to it?

 

[Necron]

Add Prime Hiruzen into the list.Because if Hashirama can beat him via hype,so would Hiruzen.​

It's funny, considering everything we knew about minato was hype for about 3 years, till the last episode... oO

Also, [fact] we know Hashirama beated Madara, who is curentlly fighting and winning agaist 5 kages... We also know he could spam trees and controll Bijus... so, I don't think there is much to hype on him... Unless you think minato can beat madara, in wich case, just lol, man, just lol...

 

[deva1naraka]

It's funny, considering everything we knew about minato was hype for about 3 years, till the last episode... oO

Also, [fact] we know Hashirama beated Madara, who is curentlly fighting and winning agaist 5 kages... We also know he could spam trees and controll Bijus... so, I don't think there is much to hype on him... Unless you think minato can beat madara, in wich case, just lol, man, just lol...

True true.

 

[ajpn920]

man i think the one who create this thread have a low comprehensive ability no offence no manga page or manga evidence or even databook statement or hype says minato is immune or cannot be trapped in genjutsu but because it's not used against him immune what kind of logic is this fanboy logic much? infact the the guy that create the thread minato fanboy logic speaks the truth. And ask me what is his argument? Ftg is yin yang where was that stated? And even then those that master yin have been shown to be trapped in genjutsu. E.g nagato,danzo.
Because a tech isn't use against a person doesn't mean he is immune. So that means minato can not be caught in any genjutsu tsukiyomi? Kotoamatsuki? Frogsong? Mugen tsukiyomi? Even if he is stab by itach's sake cup tosuka he won't have an eternal dream?

You're not smart are you? Do you know what analyzation means? I bet you haven't encounter that. You can't even read properly. I did not say immune. Read the title and you can see there theory to back up my claim that Tobi vs Minato was a hint. A theory that was supported by something. Now, support the "plot" thing with logical reasons..Don't dare insult my intelligence when your IQ is just average or below average. Don't pretend that you're smart when you're not. If you can speak with GOD, please ask him if I'm telling the truth or not so you will be aware of what you will say against me the next time...d**b ass....

 

[Blaze Release]

Op you said the same nonsense in this thread which has already put this silly debate to bed

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. I told you that if i read your post and i had this reaction WTH i wouldnt reply. Im keeping my word and not replying to that or this post, since it makes absolutely no nonsense.

 

[TrollingSage]

I love how everyone is purposely misinterpreting the OP's statements to make it sound stupid. He's not saying Minato is immune to genjutsu or that he cant be placed under genjutsu. He's just saying its possible he could cancel genjutsu very quickly due to his skill in ying and yang release which is quite plausible.
Remember how Kakashi was able to absorb Kakuzu's lightening tech because he has lightening affinity? He's suggesting something like that.

 

[GofOfNothing]

You're not smart are you? Do you know what analyzation means? I bet you haven't encounter that. You can't even read properly. I did not say immune. Read the title and you can see there theory to back up my claim that Tobi vs Minato was a hint. A theory that was supported by something. Now, support the "plot" thing with logical reasons..Don't dare insult my intelligence when your IQ is just average or below average. Don't pretend that you're smart when you're not. If you can speak with GOD, please ask him if I'm telling the truth or not so you will be aware of what you will say against me the next time...d**b ass....

srsly bro
it is just a manga not reality
there is rarely logic in naruto
if we go by logic then naruto would be dead and there would be never a manga called naruto
another example the uchiha clan massacre
itachi never had to kill the whole clan
probably there were a lot of other clan members which were innocent
but he still did kill all of them because kishi wanted sasuke to be alone in the world

the LOGICAL answer for that is PLOT



you cant just say "because tobi never used genjutsu on minato means that minato can counter genjutsu"
im waiting for the day when people say "sakura is immune to kirin because sasuke never used it on her"

and wtf about yin an yang
its just a freaking s/t jutsu, there is nothing to analyse

 

[Prince Charles]

genjutsu should of never even been mention or brought in the series i find it a very cheesy and non shinobi move i think it would be better it were never even made

 

[BloodSeed]

genjutsu should of never even been mention or brought in the series i find it a very cheesy and non shinobi move i think it would be better it were never even made

its not that bad. look at the uchiha's they can't beat the senju. its the fans that think genjutsu is a instant win. i just wish kishi make naruto more child friendly so that uchiha fans can understand the story.

 

[Rafeal brown]

This thread is a ....fail
ftg is a space time ninjutsu just like summoning jutsu is a space time jutsu... Just because you've learnt some space time ninjutsu doesn't mean you're immune to yin attacks. Even naruto who mastered summoning jutsu still got trapped in a 30% itachi's genjutsu... Besides minato can't break out of tsukuyomi.

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[Exaar]

Does this really matter?.

Tobi and Minato Had a Fight, Tobi lost.

They aint going to be fighting again anytime soon.

 

[TheBattousai]

If you wont except that a space/time ninjutsu doesn't require spatial re-composition (shape) or physical re-composition (nature) of chakra (which i believe to be the case), then can I ask why it can't be just a spatial re-composition (shape). It seems to me that an analysis could show that s/t users wrap their chakra around themselves and change its shape to allow them to slip through the space time continuum. So, if I were forced to assign it a type of chakra re-composition, i'd say it is more likely to be spatial.

 

[KillerPenguin]

Oh c'mon, there is no confusion. they both are related. As i told you, ftg is made of teleportation using contract seals. No elemental chakra is needed here, only normal chakra.

Its related with summoning jutsu.....thats why i tried to xplain it with its relation.

I think the term that you are looking for is fuiinjutsu, which are techniques that utilise marked seals. It is this family in which the contract seal resides.
As far as we are aware in the series, all fuiinjutsu do not require elemental manipulation, and as for shape we cannot really pass judgement.
However, we can speculate that the FTG technique isn't really from this family since Minato himself talks about "his space/time ninjutsu" so FTG could possibly belong to both.

Although, it is incredibly likely that FTG is fuiinjutsu since Minato showed an affinity for it and because he learn a wide amount from the Uzumaki clan.

To the OP, nice thread, I agree on most of your points.

 

[ajpn920]

Op you said the same nonsense in this thread which has already put this silly debate to bed

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. I told you that if i read your post and i had this reaction WTH i wouldnt reply. Im keeping my word and not replying to that or this post, since it makes absolutely no nonsense.

How old are you? You know what, the reason why you can't go on a single debate against me is because you don't have the ability to do it..go back to your thread and look how stupid you are with your points..all you can do is research and that's all..do you think you can fool someone smart enough to know what you're really capable of? when it comes down to analysis, you're very poor..you know that do you? Don't try to be smart when you're not. Be who you are, be grateful that there's someone who can think for the things you can't...are you the one saying MInato fans does not use logic? Now, where's your logic..prove it to me..i'll change my view once you can give even one logical reason....You sound so smart yet you refuse to show it...

 

[lordranzy]

No. If we go by LOGIC then it's unlikely that Tobi won't use genjutsu because it defeats his purpose and we know what Tobi's purpose is.

A speculation but with something to support. I believe there's two kind of speculation. A weak and strong type

Here's an example:

1. Minato has fire element: Absolutely a poor one because there is nothing to support this speculation.

2. Minato has wind: A strong one because of the hints given.

Hints:
A. Jiraiya said that Minato was a shrewd person, and was not a man who would do something without reason

B. Attempted to stab A using a kunai when A is using a lightning shroud.

C. Wind is greater than lightning.

If we add A+B+C, then there's a high possibility that Minato had wind element. This is speculation but a strong one.

Try to compare the two examples and you know what I mean. If someone will say, Minato can easily be trapped by a genjutsu, then he is speculating and of weak type. Why? because there is no evidence even the tiniest one to support that claim.

why high possiblity on whether he has wind or none?RASENGAN alone is a wind element,,it supports that he has wind element..end..

 

[BobbyRqy]

Originally Posted by freestyle392 View Post
not any kind of fan boy and i think that was a good arguement
but i have a different idea

your argument says minato was a master of yin and yang element, what if he actually mastered three elements like Onoki and dust release. what if minato had a kg that was space / time. dust release is made up of earth wind and fire, so what if space / time is a different three,like wind fire and lightning. like you said we don't know anything about minato except the fight seen with tobi. and no one else has been seen using a space / time technique that i can think of, only minato



He could also have Earth and Wind. Using the jutsu to detect enemies by touching the ground. Ground=Earth. Wind is of high possibility.

Äääh nope! Tobi and Tobirama can use s/t jutsu