A theory to support why Tobi failed to use genjutsu against Minato

[cabdou15]

nice thread man
I like the fact that you defend your ideas against the other members
Keep searching

 

[ganotsri]

Keyword, Specualtion. Not a single FACT given to say that Minato is immune. You COULD be right. But I highly doubt it as much as I doubt Sakura getting sharingan, or Pakkun using transformation jutsu is Tobi

Reread the state, can't find word IMMUNE. This is ur speculation. It is like:
- Naruto is good...
- Who the F*** says he can beat Sasuke :flaw:?!

Do you feel it? Minato could counter (by his logic) genjutsu... That is why Tobi didn't use it. Sounds possible.

 

[ajpn920]

Let me ask u this question again. What makes him immune?
Your answer= because tobi didn't use it against him. Even ppl w/ rinnengan, sharingan and even tailbeast are not immune they may break out but they are still caught so what is it that minato have that make immune? Is he a robot? No chakra system?

IMMUNE? Did I say in my post that he is immune? No one is immune to genjutsu. The proper question is if Minato can be trapped by a genjutsu. I've explained thru YIN YANG and counterbalancing. Please read it again.

 

[warlee]

They are related but are they the same? Being related does not equate to being the same. Why are you confused with FTG and summoning? As i've said, try to figure out what FTG is made of. You know that it is a ninjutsu. From here, try to exercise your analytical skill. BTW, can you provide a different analysis about FTG?

ftg is moving yourself from 1 place 2 another it's not the tech that is special it's minato usage of it combine w/ his high reflexes that make it special. We saw genma and raido or aoba use ftg does that mean they master yin yang

 

[warlee]

IMMUNE? Did I say in my post that he is immune? No one is immune to genjutsu. The proper question is if Minato can be trapped by a genjutsu. I've explained thru YIN YANG and counterbalancing. Please read it again.

what is the difference? I've given you proof that only those w/ both senju and uchiha cell and rinnengan master yin yang. Where is it shown that minato master yin yang? Where is your proof that he did?

 

[ajpn920]

nice thread man
I like the fact that you defend your ideas against the other members
Keep searching

thanks bro

ftg is moving yourself from 1 place 2 another it's not the tech that is special it's minato usage of it combine w/ his high reflexes that make it special. We saw genma and raido or aoba use ftg does that mean they master yin yang

We saw the 3 of them teleporting Mei. I can't remember seeing them teleporting themselves or I have missed that part. Bottomline is, FTG is a ninjutsu and we can determine the affinity used by analyzing the facts given. That's all there is to it. BTW, you haven't answered my question. Is there another analysis that determines the affinity used in FTG? Can you give your thought on that?

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

what is the difference? I've given you proof that only those w/ both senju and uchiha cell and rinnengan master yin yang. Where is it shown that minato master yin yang? Where is your proof that he did?

apparently the 2nd mizukage was stated as yin(or yang) user.

 

[Ambriel]

Aj how bout we say it was plot for tobi not to put minato in a genjutsu, like when sasuke didnt put A in a genjutsu when he could have

 

[iSpeak]

How comes it is only Minato you use this logic for? Why don't you use it to say Raikage is immune to genjutsu? Sasuke actually tried to use a genjutsu on him.
Anyway, FTG is a space time ninjutsu, it doesn't fall into the Yin-Yang category (unless you are telling me summonings are also Yin-Yang release techniques). Not every ninjutsu is an elemental technique. Secondly, just because they have Yin-Yang doesn't mean they are immune to genjutsu, as shown by Danzo and Nagato. So that is out of the window anyway.

 

[warlee]

thanks bro



We saw the 3 of them teleporting Mei. I can't remember seeing them teleporting themselves or I have missed that part. Bottomline is, FTG is a ninjutsu and we can determine the affinity used by analyzing the facts given. That's all there is to it. BTW, you haven't answered my question. Is there another analysis that determines the affinity used in FTG? Can you give your thought on that?

ftg is neither yin or yang because those two are use to create something. Using yang is when naruto create shadow clone,wood release(note what it create had life) using yin is creating what didn't had life e.g amaterasu. Yin and yang is about creating something ftg didn't create anything so it's neither yin or yang just normal tech.

 

[warlee]

apparently the 2nd mizukage was stated as yin(or yang) user.

every ninja have spiritual and physical energy which is yin and yang but it's either his tech use yin more than yang or vice versa but only those w/ senju and uchiha cell or rinnengan or rikudou are able to balance both and create tech out of it. A genjutsu uses more yin chakra that is spiritual energy than yang.

 

[ajpn920]

what is the difference? I've given you proof that only those w/ both senju and uchiha cell and rinnengan master yin yang. Where is it shown that minato master yin yang? Where is your proof that he did?

Where on earth did you get the idea that only those with senju and uchiha cell and rinnengan can master yin yang. Are you making it up? By the way, do you know what a theory is? It is an analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another. Do you see the facts there in my post that leads me to conclude he is a YIN YANG user?

look kishimoto made naruto storyline with imagination and take some reference from other manga, and there is no such thing like perfect storyline, there is always a flaw as the story goes, then how will the author cover that up ?

the answer is plot since if the author continue his story with logic then the entire manga is all messed up, and plot shield is required to cover the flaw and there is nothing wrong with that, since it was manga after all its fiction, the author and editor is the God.

You're lookin it that way. Why not consider it as a hint? It is more logical that just plot.

Aj how bout we say it was plot for tobi not to put minato in a genjutsu, like when sasuke didnt put A in a genjutsu when he could have

Sasuke vs A is another story. Why make Minato's appearance a plot? Why not use every details about him to uncover his mystery? Is there any logical reason when we consider it a plot?

How comes it is only Minato you use this logic for? Why don't you use it to say Raikage is immune to genjutsu? Sasuke actually tried to use a genjutsu on him.
Anyway, FTG is a space time ninjutsu, it doesn't fall into the Yin-Yang category (unless you are telling me summonings are also Yin-Yang release techniques). Not every ninjutsu is an elemental technique. Secondly, just because they have Yin-Yang doesn't mean they are immune to genjutsu, as shown by Danzo and Nagato. So that is out of the window anyway.

WTF...Why discuss on raikage? We're discussing the possibilities of the battle between Tobi and Minato. How good a story if it is all plot? Can we even call it a story if it is all plot? This is all about PLOT or HINT. Just focus on them and the story. Okay, what's your analysis about FTG? Let's see how you can come up with an idea with detailed explanation.

ftg is neither yin or yang because those two are use to create something. Using yang is when naruto create shadow clone,wood release(note what it create had life) using yin is creating what didn't had life e.g amaterasu. Yin and yang is about creating something ftg didn't create anything so it's neither yin or yang just normal tech.

Do you know that FTG is a manipulation of space and time? if it is a ninjutsu, and is not a shape transformation, where do you think it falls under? What element? Until now you haven't given me your idea about FTG. Counter my argument with detailed explanation as to why FTG is not YIN YANG and what is FTG made of. Don't try to confuse me because it will not work.

 

[sunnex]

If anyone is blaming kishi, I'll advise that person to quit watching naruto or quit reading naruto manga. Noone knows if minato can break out of genjutsu or not. And again, you cant judge minato from just a scene, I believe he still had alot up his sleeve, he only did what he thought it necessary when fighting against tobi. He was not called a genius for nothing and remember he made a big different at the 3rd shinobi war, which I believe he will also fight alot of genjutsu user.

 

[Ryuu..]

Hmm, I won't criticise you because you put alot of effort into that - what I will say is that there were many flaws to your argument.

 

[ajpn920]

Hmm, I won't criticise you because you put alot of effort into that - what I will say is that there were many flaws to your argument.

I respect that decision. if you don't mind, can you give me the flaws so I can correct it? Nice sig btw.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You're lookin it that way. Why not consider it as a hint? It is more logical that just plot.

a plot is more reasonable in the manga and logic is more reasonable in the reality.

 

[Marios]

ajpn920, you have made some very good points. Bravo!

 

[ajpn920]

a plot is more reasonable in the manga and logic is more reasonable in the reality.

You're right and wrong at the same time. Didn't I indicated in my post the reason why I'm making the thread? Logic is reasonable in every discussion. It's very funny that when a person does not use logic, everybody will criticize him/her. Now, when logic is involved, we suddenly changed it and call it a plot because logic is not needed and only needed in reality?WTH

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You're right and wrong at the same time. Didn't I indicated in my post the reason why I'm making the thread? Logic is reasonable in every discussion. It's very funny that when a person does not use logic, everybody will criticize him/her. Now, when logic is involved, we suddenly changed it and call it a plot because logic is not needed and only needed in reality?WTH

we are discussing a fictional character so logic in manga is invalid until the manga itself involving logic, going against the plot is the same as defying the author itselfU_U

 

[iSpeak]

WTF...Why discuss on raikage? We're discussing the possibilities of the battle between Tobi and Minato. How good a story if it is all plot? Can we even call it a story if it is all plot? This is all about PLOT or HINT. Just focus on them and the story. Okay, what's your analysis about FTG? Let's see how you can come up with an idea with detailed explanation.

Because its using the same logic as yours. You can't use that logic as yours. If you say that Raikage, Mei and Gaara are not immune to genjutsu then obviously you are contradicting yourself for Minato's sake only.
FTG is a space time ninjutsu, like Summonings. It is as simple as that. Yin-Yang Release and Space Time Ninjutsu are 2 completely different things. Stop reading Natutowiki if it is giving you false information, bring up the manga scans to support your theory.