Literally nothing you say here makes sense
You arent referencing anything at all to draw conclusions
Your entire reply repertoire is a series of "no you"
Or "give me that scan" even tho I already did and you ignored it twice
Or "I dont remember that" even tho I literally just showed it to you
You ignore shit entirely
Then ironically accuse me of doing it
Also
Yes
Yes it does actually
If I can find PHYSICAL OCCURENCES OF MY EXACT VIEWPOINT IN THE SERIES
Thats called a "FEAT"
And a feat is the gold standard of argumentation regarding evidence of claims
And I have presented several FEATS to back my argument
You have done literally nothing but get hung up on semantics and ramble about bullshit that isnt even a real concept in universe or otherwise
Concession accepted that Tsunade > 4th Raikage
Literally all I need to prove in order to lol at your entire premise
The degree to which she is superior is irrelevant to my point, all that needs to be true is that shes superior.
Finally you grow as a person and debater and actually admit when youre wrong
Albeit, you didnt seem to know you were doing this
Yes
Yes I did
Multiple times
And she comes up wanting
Ill quote myself
But not what you asked me to quote
It is sincerely not my problem if you cannot follow my very clear and concise black and white arguments my man
My references and citations are all there
Read them yourself
Not my job to get you through 2nd grade language arts
FRS isnt implied incapable of doing any such thing
And Gaara/Naruto didnt face V1 Susanoo
They faced V3
So you dont know what youre talking about
Even pretending youre right, and implications are evidence (they arent) youd still get
V3 Susanoo > FRS > V1 Susanoo >= Tsunade at best
So...Id still be right and youd still be wrong
I posted the images like 3 times now
No
No actually 0 fails
You just fail at reading what I posted and actually grasping my conclusion accurately
You proved that 2 seconds ago when you claimed you havent seen the 3rd possess greater power than FRS despite me showing you such an instance like 3 times
not really a surprise that you cant follow the rest of my post either
The medium with which force is delivered doesnt matter when the difference in force is astronomically huge
Stop arguing for split durability
You have no idea what youre talking about
FRS is noted to have the elemental advantage over the Raikage and it still fails
And we know the elemental advantage is exponentially powerful as shown numerous times with their combination attacks...they always exceed the sum of their parts.
Even with a multiplicative boost, FRS falls short of the 3rds power
"hurr durr its a spear vs a slash" isnt an argument
FRS had every advantage over the 3rd and the 3rd still outperformed it
get a grip
the 3rd has blatantly more power
Also...Referring to a mammoth chakra explosion reputed to tear apart everything it touches on a cellular level as a mere "slash" is really stupid on your part
You sincerely have no idea at all how to scale do you?
In order to decide which of 2 techniques possess more power than the other, you dont need a direct comparison genius
All you need is evidence of their respective power and which one has performed better
Like...
Do you NEED to be DIRECTLY told that Narutos Wind Rasenshuriken Super Biju Barrage is superior to Danzos vacuum blade wind attack in order for you to make that conclusion?
**** no you dont
All you need to do is look at what the FRS Barrage has done, and look at what Danzos blade has done, and compare them.
Its obvious which is superior
Same deal with the 3rd and FRS, and Tsunade and FRS, and Tsunade and the 4th
And actually...All of those comparisons HAPPEN TO BE DIRECT
With the one exception of FRS vs Tsunades power
That is the only indirect comparison I made, but even then as I said direct comparisons are unneeded.
You can tell which is superior by their showings
And FRS is blatantly stronger, ranked more powerful, has superior showings, better hype and better statements
FRS has damaged more impressive and more resilient things than Tsunade ever has
It is therefore more powerful, as all evidence suggests
Stop being so obtuse when you try and fail to make a conclusion
Direct comparisons are not the only form of information in the manga
Stop pretending they are
No
I showed Tsunade failing to damage inferior things compared to the FRS succeeding in damaging superior ones
I directly proved FRS > Tsunades power
Nothing about the nine tails is "weakened"
Flesh or otherwise makes no difference
The 8 tails is directly shown surviving a TBB at point blank range despite being "flesh"
Get better arguments
End of the day, Nine tails has better feats of durability than Susanoo
Therefore FRS > Tsunade
Its not complicated
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No
No she doesnt
Naruto has long surpassed Sannin level by that point
Hes directly stated above the level of either Sannin when he fights Pain...This is actually stated multiple times in fact...
Hes even stronger than that when fighting the Nine Tails
You have no idea what youre talking about
No I dont actually
Really not my problem that you think the 2 are related tho
No it didnt
Majestic Attire when planted on top of and amplified by a 100% Kurama did
SM Naruto fought merely 50% of Kurama BY ITSELF
Entirely different scenarios
But again, not my fault you dont realize that
I understood you were asking about speed and power and thus directly proved speed and power
My point in bringing that up was that I had meticulously proven everything in my argument
With the exception of FRS > COR > Rasengan because I thought that was obvious
I then stated that if you require me to prove something so obvious, Id rather not
If you couldnt realize what I was getting at, then this really only applies to you bud
Nope
None of them failed me
You just have no clue how to debate or argue
Because youre under the incredibly stupid impression that you can only scale attacks or characters with direct comparisons
Which is laughable
Concession accepted that you have yet to prove a single facet of your own arguments
No the context of this thread is that youre a walking mess of delusion and contradictions
Considering you made a claim that I also made...And then disagreed with it when I said it...
Among other notable infractions
regardless, Ive proven everything Ive claimed like 3 times now
You have yet to do anything at all
You claim some of my arguments "failed" me
But literally just leave it at that
You dont post any of your own evidence to counter mine, you just retort with the same trash tier word vomit that youve been dirting this entire forum with, and regurgitate your own opinion and interpretation of what Ive PROVEN to be true
Do you have no concept of debating?
Do you not know what "burden of proof" is?
When I make a claim and provide evidence for said claim, you then need to provide evidence COUNTER TO MINE in order to challenge my claim
You cannot just say "nope thats a failure" and leave it at that
Yet thats all youve done
At this point, youve as good as conceded considering you have yet to challenge a single one of my points across like 3 of your own posts now
Cant say the same about you
As I just said, you have yet to enter the damn discussion properly
You have no actual claims or counter-claims of your own at this point and have exactly nothing to substantiate anything you have claimed and nothing to debunk anything I have claimed
Youre literally just here taking up space
No thats me talking about speed actually
That has nothing to do with attack vs defense
DO you even know what youre reading?
No
No the 4th won that entire exchange until the very final clash where Naruto is noted to have gotten much faster actually
Also...This is a fucking mess of an argument filled with nothing but your own nonsensical fanmade concepts and other BS
There is no difference between "attacking speed" and "defending speed"
That is asinine
There are 3 different categories of speed
1. Movement speed (as in what can be used to travel long distances uninterrupted outside of combat)
2. Combat speed (as in the speed used for hand to hand exchanges and burst speed over short distances)
3. Reaction speed (as in how fast the brain can process information and create a response)
Thats it
And these terms are not unique to Naruto debating...They exist across EVERY FANDOM and EVERY FICTION
There is no "attacking speed" category thats separate from "defending speed"
That would all fall under 1 category...Combat speed
Please learn the actual terminology used in this hobby before you try to discuss it
No
I dont belive thats true
Considering you agreed with my premise before I even posted in this thread and I already proved that...Because you claimed exactly what i claimed...And then got mad when I did the same thing for some reason
At this point Im gathering youre just a troll
With literally no interest at all in actual debate or exchange of information, nor do you intend to have your mind changed on any given topic
You also have yet to extend me the same courtesy that you demand of me (which Ive complied with btw) that being providing panels
Which is firther proof youre a troll
You havent once actually proven a single thing youve claimed and have yet to counter anything Ive proven with a single panel actually
Its the same thing as Ive already gone over
You just have no idea what speed is or how it works
And would rather invent and abide by your own terminology
Which is fanfiction bullshit I have no time or patience for
No
Again you pull concepts out of your ass that mean othing to anyone
First you demand that the only evidence that can be submitted for this conversation is direct comparisons...Which is bullshit
99% of this entire hobby, and a great aspect of debating in general, is made from indirect comparisons
Then you invented your own criteria and categories for speed and demand that they be followed...And actually had the fucking gall to submit them as evidence counter to my claims no less.
You at no point "spoonfeed" me
What youre doing is making shit up
And this is just more proof that you dont know what youre talking about
As you dont even know what that instance proves
And did nothing at all here but post a non sequitur
And Ill prove it to you
That example has literally no comparison or bearing on Naruto vs Raikage. They dont possess even a single similarity 8in fact.
Minato told Kakashi not to use Chidori because the speed of Chidoris thrust exceeded Kakashis own mental ability
Using the REAL speed terminology?
This means that Kakashis Combat speed temporarily exceeded his reaction speed...Nothing more nothing less.
Now why does this have no bearing on Naruto vs Raikage?
Because AT NO POINT does this phenomenon occur to either the Raikage OR NARUTO in their fight
Not once
You therefore did nothing at all but put forth a non sequitur argument, and waste everyones time.
