A Song of Ice and Fire - Jon Snow's Mother

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As many people I got entranced by the Game of Thrones series. After I watched the first two seasons I started to read the books, starting from the third, to know how the story further progressed. After I read the last one I read the first and second one xd Yes not very conventional, I know and it's not the first time I did that, but whatever >.>

My favourite character is Jon Snow. A Song of Ice and Fire has got countless of different plot developments and questions that needs to be solved, however the one that has always intrigued me the most was who Jon Snow's real mother is/was?

I started browsing the internet and found this on a SOFA-wikia, it's a summary of a theory that has been discussed on SOFA forums thoroughly:

Warning, main contain serious spoilers!

Many readers believe that Jon is not the son of Eddard Stark. Instead, he is the son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard's sister Lyanna. Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared together to the Tower of Joy early in Robert's Rebellion. There, it's believed, Rhaegar leaves a pregnant Lyanna to defend his family's dynasty.

At the end of Robert's Rebellion, about one year later, Eddard and his companions find three of the Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy: Lord Commander Ser Gerold Hightower, Ser Oswell Whent, and Ser Arthur Dayne. The reasons for their presence and the ensuing fight are unknown, but defending the unborn son of the Heir Apparent would be a good reason to have been posted. The only known survivors of the fight were Eddard himself and Howland Reed. Eddard recalls his sister dying "in a bed of blood," where he made her an unknown promise just before she died.

Also, while Robb, Sansa, Bran and Rickon are said to have Tully features (hair color, eyes), Jon and Arya are said to be closer in appearance (which had made Sansa believe Arya was also a bastard like Jon, until her mother put Sansa's theory down). Arya is said to resemble Lyanna.

Further evidence to the truth of this theory in the eighth Eddard chapter of A Game of Thrones, in which Ned contemplates the significance of King Robert's bastards. As he muses, Ned's thoughts drift to Jon Snow, a logical segue, but also to his sister Lyanna, the promise he made her, and to Rhaegar Targaryen, implying some tacit link between the three individuals.

Daenerys Targaryen's visions in the House of the Undying include an image of Rhaegar with his newborn son Aegon, proclaiming that "there must be a third" because "the dragon has three heads". Given that, according to Jon Connington, Rhaegar's wife Elia was believed infertile after two difficult pregnancies, and that Aegon the Conqueror himself had two wives, it is logical for Rhaegar to have attempted to fulfill prophecy by having a third child with another woman.

If Rhaegar secretly married Lyanna, it would ironically mean that Jon is not a bastard despite his life having been defined by his believed bastard status to a great extent, and that he is the heir to the Iron Throne after Aegon VI Targaryen (although this last point is rendered moot so long as he belongs to the Night's Watch).
With Eddard beheaded by King Joffrey, Howland Reed is the only living person who knows the nature of Lyanna's death and what she made her brother promise.

Personally I really like this theory. It's weird I didn't consider this possibility before I read this, but that's probably because I didn't read the first book yet at that point and the TV series didn't elaborate much on this. Most of this theory is also based on info of the first book, which is pretty logical considering Eddard Stark is still alive then and he is the one who is remembering all of this.

Now for my personal input for the credibility of this theory. Jon Snow is regularly tied to the color white. I mean he is called 'snow', which is white. His dire wolf is an albino. His sword was ornamented with a white wolf. And what does Daenerys have? She has has got three dragons of which one is completely white.

Now it's never stated how Lyanna exactly died, only that she has been found in a pool of blood, which could easily be of childbirth. Any childbirth is potentially lethal for a woman, even more so in a world with a Middle-Ages theme and that apparently there was no one there to help here wouldn't be good for her either.

This also can be used as an explanation as why Eddard Stark has always been so adamant about not killing Daenerys and her child. Of course it's not honorable to kill children, however assuming that Jon is really Rhaegar's child, well logically it must stress the hell out of him as when just the existence of Daenerys and Viserys on the other side of the world pisses him off beyond believe, how would he react when he realizes his best friend raised the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna, the woman he loved so much?

Now I assume if you read this far, you read all the books, so then you would also know that in the last book Jon got repeatedly stabbed. Now it's not...uncommon for Mr. Martin to kill even main characters off >.> *cough cough* still there are reasons to believe as why Jon will not die. For starters till know he has been the primary link with the wall and what lies behind it. If he dies, then who will be that link? But secondly more important his character has been built up way too much to be killed that easily. Even after Martin's standards it's unlikely that characters like Tyrion are going to die simply because they are too valuable to the story and their characters stories haven't been completely told yet. That promise Eddard made to his sister still has to be explained. If it's not Jon, then who or what? And it's not going to be solved if Jon dies.

If my hunch is correct I suspect that Jon will 'die' and when you die at the wall, to avoid becoming a blue-eyed zombie, you need to get burned and when that happens his 'dragonblood' will boil due to the fire and he will be 'reborn' with silver hair and potential violet eyes.

Finally I also noticed something myself in the first book. When Eddard left the brothel with Pinky after visiting the latest addition to king Roberts bastard-gang and subsequently before Jaime Lannister attacked them, resulting in Eddard breaking his leg, Eddard Stark was for some inexplicable reason asking himself the question whether Rhaegar Targaryen ever visited brothels. Why the hell would he think such a weird thing, unless of course he mirrors Rhaegar to Robert which leads indirectly to the bastards-issue.

Even with all that it might just all be a coincidence xd every northern bastard is called snow and that Jon's dire wolf is an albino might just have been a logical choice to make it obvious that he is different from his brothers and sisters. Still it remains a fact that the mystery of Jon's mother and the 'promise' Eddard made to his sister remain unsolved and neither of them have been elaborated much one since the first book. You need to keep in your mind that originally it was supposed to be a trilogy, but during the writing process he came to the realization that it would take more than 3 books to tell it all. However this does mean that in the least the first book was written in the assumption that everything would be solved in the next two books, hence another reason why so much info about this matter was in the first book. Because after that nothing much was mentioned about these problems, it means that what was originally to be mentioned in those books still has to be told.

Food for thought.
 

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As much as I want to read it, I do not. But I was also interesting and knowing his mother. Got me tempted and I read the first line and was angry. That is messed up. During Jon Snow whole life he was traumatized.
 

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I support your story.And if you have heard the "Ice Dragon" theories,they back it up quite a bit.One thing bugs me though.In the first book I don't if you remmeber correctly,as a whole not only in the first book,Kat always states that she hates Jon because even though he is a bastard he looks like a Stark more than her children.There are two theories on this subject.That either Benjen or Ned are his real dads and Lyanna is his mother.I don;t support the theory but it really makes sense along those lines that he has the most Stark feautures.Targs do it why won't Starks try to marry their siblings.
My guess is R+L=Jon. HE is the third head and the Ice Dragon. He is the AA.And Aegon VI is fake Targ. U_U
 

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I support your story.And if you have heard the "Ice Dragon" theories,they back it up quite a bit.One thing bugs me though.In the first book I don't if you remmeber correctly,as a whole not only in the first book,Kat always states that she hates Jon because even though he is a bastard he looks like a Stark more than her children.There are two theories on this subject.That either Benjen or Ned are his real dads and Lyanna is his mother.I don;t support the theory but it really makes sense along those lines that he has the most Stark feautures.Targs do it why won't Starks try to marry their siblings.
My guess is R+L=Jon. HE is the third head and the Ice Dragon. He is the AA.And Aegon VI is fake Targ. U_U
No idea about any Ice Dragon theories. I know there is a book called the Ice Dragon, which is located in the same world as the Song of Ice and Fire, but not in the same plot and I haven't read that book yet. I just recently finished this series and it's not like I have actively searched discussions forums for it.

I really don't think you need to think much about as why Jon looks so much like Eddard. It explained several times that Arya and Jon have the most prominent Stark features, like a long face, while Robb, Brandon, Sansa and Rickon look like Tully's. It was also said that Lyanna had these prominent Stark features too, Eddard even said to Arya that she looks a lot like Lyanna. If a daughter of Eddard can look like his sister, then why couldn't a son of Lyanna look like Eddard?

The simple reason as why Jon looks like Eddard is because he is his cousin, the son of his sister. I don't really see a reason as why you would need to drag the possibility he needs to have two Stark parents to look like one when it has been shown that that not is an absolute requirement. That Jon looks so much like Eddard, just made the bastard story that more convincing. If he had had white hair and violet eyes, I think more than one person would have placed some question marks with the bastard story.

I forget to mention though that Jon burned his hand in the first book when he saved Mormont from the bleu-eyed zombie in Castle Black. Normally he should be immune to that. Then again that can be explained as him being only half Targaryen and that it will be 'awoken' at some point, referring to what I said in my first post.
 

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No idea about any Ice Dragon theories. I know there is a book called the Ice Dragon, which is located in the same world as the Song of Ice and Fire, but not in the same plot and I haven't read that book yet. I just recently finished this series and it's not like I have actively searched discussions forums for it.

I really don't think you need to think much about as why Jon looks so much like Eddard. It explained several times that Arya and Jon have the most prominent Stark features, like a long face, while Robb, Brandon, Sansa and Rickon look like Tully's. It was also said that Lyanna had these prominent Stark features too, Eddard even said to Arya that she looks a lot like Lyanna. If a daughter of Eddard can look like his sister, then why couldn't a son of Lyanna look like Eddard?

The simple reason as why Jon looks like Eddard is because he is his cousin, the son of his sister. I don't really see a reason as why you would need to drag the possibility he needs to have two Stark parents to look like one when it has been shown that that not is an absolute requirement. That Jon looks so much like Eddard, just made the bastard story that more convincing. If he had had white hair and violet eyes, I think more than one person would have placed some question marks with the bastard story.

I forget to mention though that Jon burned his hand in the first book when he saved Mormont from the bleu-eyed zombie in Castle Black. Normally he should be immune to that. Then again that can be explained as him being only half Targaryen and that it will be 'awoken' at some point, referring to what I said in my first post.
Also to further support your theory,he had a dream he and Ygritte were back in Winterfell,they were in a hot tub and Jon started to dream that the spring was so hot that Ygritte started to melt,but he was perfectly fine.I think this is because his Targ blood.
About the Ice Dragon theories, one of them is about an Ice Dragon under Winterfell situated in the crypts.And jon is going to be able to ride it. U_U
 

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Also to further support your theory,he had a dream he and Ygritte were back in Winterfell,they were in a hot tub and Jon started to dream that the spring was so hot that Ygritte started to melt,but he was perfectly fine.I think this is because his Targ blood.
About the Ice Dragon theories, one of them is about an Ice Dragon under Winterfell situated in the crypts.And jon is going to be able to ride it. U_U
Meh, the problem is that Martin has been hammering more than once on that stuff of "the dragon has three heads" and there are already 3 dragons known. Also if you count Aegon and Jon, you have the last 3 people with Targaryen blood.

If there is somewhere a monster hidden though, I would expect it to be in the Wall. They have mentioned that horn that could destroy the Wall one too many times to not play a role later and for some reason I'm expecting that the wall will be destroyed in the end.
 

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Meh, the problem is that Martin has been hammering more than once on that stuff of "the dragon has three heads" and there are already 3 dragons known. Also if you count Aegon and Jon, you have the last 3 people with Targaryen blood.

If there is somewhere a monster hidden though, I would expect it to be in the Wall. They have mentioned that horn that could destroy the Wall one too many times to not play a role later and for some reason I'm expecting that the wall will be destroyed in the end.
You are probably talking about the Horn of Winter.As for Aegon he was alive when Viseris(or wth) was alive.Which means there were 4 Targs.So Aegon is fake targ IMO.Gregor really killed the babies.There are many horns.If you reached untill the point that Euron has returned and know his gift you will know what I mean.This horn and Euron will be great problem for Dany.There could be Ice Dragon under the Wall.But Brandon buid it so that is a mystery for now.Sorry I got carried of the subject XD
I support this theory completly.Hopefully it will be in the next book though I doubt it.According to Martin next book will take us to the "True North" so I think we will meet the Night King finally <3 (please be Benjen)
 

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You are probably talking about the Horn of Winter.As for Aegon he was alive when Viseris(or wth) was alive.Which means there were 4 Targs.So Aegon is fake targ IMO.Gregor really killed the babies.There are many horns.If you reached untill the point that Euron has returned and know his gift you will know what I mean.This horn and Euron will be great problem for Dany.There could be Ice Dragon under the Wall.But Brandon buid it so that is a mystery for now.Sorry I got carried of the subject XD
I support this theory completly.Hopefully it will be in the next book though I doubt it.According to Martin next book will take us to the "True North" so I think we will meet the Night King finally <3 (please be Benjen)
That logic doesn't hold much weight as Rhaegar, Viserys, Aerys II, Rhaenys, Aegon and Aemon on the Wall all lived at the same time at some point. So that there would have been 4 Targ at a time I don't really see as a reason to say that that Aegon is a fake Targ, especially when Viserys, even though being a "real" Targ, died the way he did even before the dragons were born.

I don't really see either as how Euron's horn will be a problem for Dany. In fact I always thought it was the opposite, that she finally would get her hands on something that would allow her to train her dragons. I mean it was clearly written on the horn that any mortal who blows it, would die, so for Euron it really doesn't have much use. However someone must be able to blow that horn (otherwise what was its purpose in the first place) and I assume that Dany would be able to. The only problem there is that logically she needs to give something in return for the horn and I don't think she wants to marry for the #133456th time again.

I mean she even wished at one point she would have one of the horns that were used in the past to control dragons and now someone is giving it her on a silver platter.
 

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Euron captured a Warlock once.It is said that he taught him many black spells,and that is why I think he is sending Victarion.No way a strategist like him will send Victarion with his horn.It is his most precious posesion.Plus you saw that he used another man to blow the horn.The Dragons subdue to the horn owner and not to the man that blows it.There are some markings on the horn that mean something.Victarion is strong and a great warrior but a simpleton :'( In any case he can get only two dragons as Drogon is faitfull to Dany.
 

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Sorry for posting so late..I just noticed it.Yes it is definitely plausible that Jon indeed has Targaryn blood.So many things point towards it.Lyanna's mysterious last words and also the obvious symbolic theme of white and snow >_>
and I also feel that if he indeed is a half targaryn then his blood hasnt awakened yet. ._.
 

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Sorry for posting so late..I just noticed it.Yes it is definitely plausible that Jon indeed has Targaryn blood.So many things point towards it.Lyanna's mysterious last words and also the obvious symbolic theme of white and snow >_>
and I also feel that if he indeed is a half targaryn then his blood hasnt awakened yet. ._.
Well yeah, Jon Snow had his hand burned in the first book when he fought the Wight that tried to kill Mormont. If he truly has awakened dragon blood, he shouldn't have been able to be burned.

So as I said my hypothesis is that he 'died' in the last book when he got stabbed several times. Because they don't want the risk that he comes back as a Wight, they have no choice than to burn him, which will awake his dragon blood.
 

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This one has always seemed to me as the most realistic one but there are so many theories with so many facts and then there's George himself who is totally unpredictable.. oh, this is making me nervous. =D
 

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i believe it too be true cause eddard didnt hate rhaegar woudl he talk good about the man who supposedly kidnapped and raped her

also spoiler if u havent read book 5 dont read this
melisandre is beggining to suspect that jon snow is Azor Azhai and we all know jon snow isn't entirely "dead" man that left me with a WTF! also i believe howland reed sent that message to JS to make him come off the wall and challenge the boltons and help stannis

also another spoiler if u on book 4
i believe sam has the Horn
why book 5 spoiler
horn is burned and ygritte admits in book 3 they never found it then later mance mentions he never had it either but then if u think back to ghost finding the cache of dragon glass there was a horn with runes and markings i believe benjen or some1 found it, and jon gave sam the horn so i believe sam has the horn
 
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