A rare and rapidly dying breed.....teens are no longer this way.....

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I just want to point out, that it seems that people(mainly young folk) are now rude and self centered. THere are very few gentlemen left in this world...they seem to be a dying breed of people.(again talking about the younger people mostly) The ratio of gentlemen nowadays,is much lower than it used to be.

To be clear, a gentleman is someone who holds doors open for people wherever they go, is always polite, if someone drops something helps them, in general treats all people with respect, the kind of person who would help a lady over a puddle, give their umbrella to their friend when it rains,(while holding it for them) always treat their lady friends nicely etc.

that kind of thing...there are people who do some of this, but not all....and it is a full time thing, so they are polite even when upset(as there are many people who will do these kinds of things when they are in a good mood but rude when in bad mood)

so go ahead, if im wrong prove it to me....i doubt i am when i say they the amount of gentlemen is decreasing rapidly.
 

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Your right there aren't enough nice kind people left because everyone used to be like that until they get beaten down and eventually no longer care about being polite or kind to others , and then there's just people born like that haha
 

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Most of nbs young members u can add to the list ...
They dont know d word politeness although they can absorb huge amounts of insults given at them
 

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Most of nbs young members u can add to the list ...
They dont know d word politeness although they can absorb huge amounts of insults given at them
 

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Why be gentle, when the world is rough?
why be rought because the world is rough? Its about the same as why love when the world hates?

Just because everybody else does something doesnt mean you should as well.
If everybody jumps off the grand canyon should you follow?

Your right there aren't enough nice kind people left because everyone used to be like that until they get beaten down and eventually no longer care about being polite or kind to others , and then there's just people born like that haha
Its simple. Be taught as i was, to always be polite, and do kind things....even if at first you do them because you are forced to, eventually you learn to do them on your own. Being polite and kind more than anything, is a taught thing. That said there will always be kind people not taught to be kind and rude people who were taught to be kind. but acts of kindness build on eachother. You being kind constantly will inspire the people around you to be kind as well. I will at least make them a bit more nice.

Most of nbs young members u can add to the list ...
They dont know d word politeness although they can absorb huge amounts of insults given at them
true.

Who needs good manners when you have swag.
Lol swag is good, but is overated.
 
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I just want to point out, that it seems that people(mainly young folk) are now rude and self centered. THere are very few gentlemen left in this world...they seem to be a dying breed of people.(again talking about the younger people mostly) The ratio of gentlemen nowadays,is much lower than it used to be.

To be clear, a gentleman is someone who holds doors open for people wherever they go, is always polite, if someone drops something helps them, in general treats all people with respect, the kind of person who would help a lady over a puddle, give their umbrella to their friend when it rains,(while holding it for them) always treat their lady friends nicely etc.

that kind of thing...there are people who do some of this, but not all....and it is a full time thing, so they are polite even when upset(as there are many people who will do these kinds of things when they are in a good mood but rude when in bad mood)

so go ahead, if im wrong prove it to me....i doubt i am when i say they the amount of gentlemen is decreasing rapidly.
i agree totally. not to mention that most teens now listen to JB and One direction. I tell you the world is going downhill
 

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I just want to point out, that it seems that people(mainly young folk) are now rude and self centered. THere are very few gentlemen left in this world...they seem to be a dying breed of people.(again talking about the younger people mostly) The ratio of gentlemen nowadays,is much lower than it used to be.

To be clear, a gentleman is someone who holds doors open for people wherever they go, is always polite, if someone drops something helps them, in general treats all people with respect, the kind of person who would help a lady over a puddle, give their umbrella to their friend when it rains,(while holding it for them) always treat their lady friends nicely etc.

that kind of thing...there are people who do some of this, but not all....and it is a full time thing, so they are polite even when upset(as there are many people who will do these kinds of things when they are in a good mood but rude when in bad mood)

so go ahead, if im wrong prove it to me....i doubt i am when i say they the amount of gentlemen is decreasing rapidly.
This kind of thing can't be proven. How many people have you met? Take that number and compare it to the amount of people in the world( or even just your state ). There are a lot more gentlemen in the world then it seems you are giving credit for.

It's easy to say that the number of gentlmen and or ladies is falling when our social media glorifies d-bags and sluts. The good people of this world don't get their due credit because it is not as popular.
 

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i think nowadays people are just more free to be themselves.some time ago people were very concerned about how other people will look at them,talk about them or how much they will appreciate them.for that reason they would do any nice thing and be nice just to gain acknowledgement that they are good enough so that they can appreciate themselves.for instance if you look at old people like grandmothers,they do everything for you and help everyone just to be appreciated by you(of course not everyone is like that).but nowadays i feel like people have been raised differently,to be more like themselves,to stop doing things and pretending to be nice and someone else just to be appreciated by other people.nowadays we have more people who are selfish and just look at their own desires,listen to their heart and thoughts.Nice or not,however they are,at least they are living their life not bound to any moral obligations.in some sense this is freedom in my eyes.just be yourselves
 

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I've noticed a general decline. "Kids today" (though I'm only 24) seem to be even worse than we were. Perhaps it is just that I notice different things, now, compared to when I was a kid (or I'm just more aware of what goes on outside of my own little bubble).

I think a lot of it, however, has to do with a difference in parenting. Far more parents these days are single parents with multiple kids. I've never seen this work out to be what one would call healthy. In most cases, the kids basically raise themselves with little in the way of adult supervision or role models.

Worse - it's a self-feeding cycle. Teen pregnancy is exponentially higher among those raised by a single parent (and most of those pregnancies go on to be births under a single mother with little in the way of financial stability). Behavioral disorders, criminal activity, etc are all much higher among these groups due, in large part, to the disruption of proper parenting.

I am a believer that, if something isn't done within the next two to three generations, our society will be completely over-run with babies making babies (fed by welfare programs, of course). Obviously, the efforts we are making are not fixing the problem (in most cases, all they do is enable it to continue).

Compare it to how things were for my parents (and how my parents raised me): My parents expected to know where I was any given moment of the day; deviance from that expectation was met with consequence. I did not tell my parents where I was going - I requested to go there (unless it was in our own yard); my parents would have corrected me if I showed that there was confusion as to where I stood in the decision making process. I was to ask my parents for permission to invite friends over. Hell would have been paid if there was someone in the house that had not been cleared to be there by my parents. Until I reached a certain age - my parents screened the movies I was to watch. When they felt I was mature enough to handle a movie - they let me see it (I don't recall them screening movies past the age of about ten for me - but the fact remains that they took the time to pay attention to how I reacted to the content of movies).

Now - my parents were pretty easy going, and they rarely turned down a request for me to go and do something. But it was still understood - they were in charge, and I was accountable to them.

A lot of the above is pretty basic stuff... but as I've gotten older, I've noticed that these principles are lacking in a disturbing number of house-holds (often the single-parent households by virtue of the parent being at one of two jobs most of the time... but there are also a fair number from parents who want to try and be their child's best friend or something along those lines). People come in and out of the house on a regular basis (often without the knowledge of the parent... or the parent has given up trying to control access to the house). Kids call from 45 miles down the highway that they need a ride because their 'friends' left without them (been on a couple "Operation go get dumbass" missions at 2 in the morning...). The list of atrocities goes on.

I picked up on a lot of things from my parents that they didn't necessarily "sit down and teach" me. When I spoke, they listened to me and paid attention to what I had to say. Didn't mean I got my way all the time - but I wasn't shot down at the word: "Mom!" My parents never disciplined me without explanation, either (my dad was the king of lectures... and, obviously, that imprinted upon me) - I always knew exactly why I was being sent to my room without dinner, or had the TV taken away. I also saw how my parents treated each other. If they had arguments, they were irregular and never in front of us kids. My mom never hit my dad, or vice-versa - even as a playful thing (it wasn't their nature to play that way). And they genuinely showed that they loved and cared for each other by being supportive to each other and to us kids.

I grew up knowing what a clean room was (even though I was rarely the cause of it), with the expectation that the entire family would sit down to a meal at the same time and same place (something that took me a while to get over when I moved in with my room mates and I kind of had this weird expectation that we'd all sit down and eat together - wasn't something they grew up with and they didn't quite get why it was a deal to me), and with an imprinted instinct to be supportive to people around me (in spite of a somewhat vindictive and brooding nature).

So... I'm talking in circles at this point...

I just find it hard to blame the kids for being less controlled and respectful. They, and often their parents, are largely the victims of a cycle that has been running for far too long. Sure - some people are 'born' a dirt-bag and no amount of parenting will straighten them out... but it would be foolish to disregard the relationship between lack of parenting and poor childhood development.
 

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This kind of thing can't be proven. How many people have you met? Take that number and compare it to the amount of people in the world( or even just your state ). There are a lot more gentlemen in the world then it seems you are giving credit for.

It's easy to say that the number of gentlmen and or ladies is falling when our social media glorifies d-bags and sluts. The good people of this world don't get their due credit because it is not as popular.
I understand your point, and the good people never get their due credit, but i am speaking in general. you cant argue that todays world of people isnt more selfish and more selfcentered than people before. Fact is people are becoming more self centered. They are becoming more disrespectful towards others. etc. The point i am trying to make, is that the amount of younger people who are gentlemanly, is rapidly declining. In terms of young people. It is true i havent seen the whole world, but i have seen quite a bit of my country, the usa. i have been to more than half of the states have lived in 2 cities in my state, and lived in minnesota for last winter. I have spent a lot of time in alabama and florida as well. Also i work at a gas station on a major highway, I 75. So i see a good bit of people. Remember my description of a gentlemen. A guy who is more selfless, and helps others when he sees them. Who does nice things all the time for no reason. Who puts others before himself, and is very polite no matter what mood he/she is in. I am in no way saying that people dont do nice things, but am saying that people dont kind things, but saying people who are all the above, all the time(aka a gentlemen). I am not trying to say everybody is bad, or selfish, i am simple talking about the single group of people, that as you observe them you go "that guy is such a gentleman". People are becoming more selfish in general, but they still are in general nice to each other. They still do tons of nice things out there.

Im simply saying that there are less gentlemen nowadays, not less good people.

i think nowadays people are just more free to be themselves.some time ago people were very concerned about how other people will look at them,talk about them or how much they will appreciate them.for that reason they would do any nice thing and be nice just to gain acknowledgement that they are good enough so that they can appreciate themselves.for instance if you look at old people like grandmothers,they do everything for you and help everyone just to be appreciated by you(of course not everyone is like that).but nowadays i feel like people have been raised differently,to be more like themselves,to stop doing things and pretending to be nice and someone else just to be appreciated by other people.nowadays we have more people who are selfish and just look at their own desires,listen to their heart and thoughts.Nice or not,however they are,at least they are living their life not bound to any moral obligations.in some sense this is freedom in my eyes.just be yourselves
I never say that they should be bound to do so. I simply say less people choose to be gentlemen, and polite. Being polite or kind actually has little to do with morals. It just has to do with being more selfless, instead of selfish(which neither are completely wrong)

you do bring up a good point about the raising of kids nowadays, but in my opinion, a gentleman isnt gonna be someone who just is nice because they want to be accepted(ie the fakeing smile, and kindness) a gentle man is someone who does what he does because he wants to, not because of society etc. He does those things out of respect and kindness, and politeness.

I am only stateing a neutral perspective that the numbers of true gentlemen is declineing. Im not saying for the better or for worse, or saying anything other than the gentlemen is becoming a more or less dying breed.

Again while you make points that are good, i am just speaking in general.
 

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I've noticed a general decline. "Kids today" (though I'm only 24) seem to be even worse than we were. Perhaps it is just that I notice different things, now, compared to when I was a kid (or I'm just more aware of what goes on outside of my own little bubble).

I think a lot of it, however, has to do with a difference in parenting. Far more parents these days are single parents with multiple kids. I've never seen this work out to be what one would call healthy. In most cases, the kids basically raise themselves with little in the way of adult supervision or role models.

Worse - it's a self-feeding cycle. Teen pregnancy is exponentially higher among those raised by a single parent (and most of those pregnancies go on to be births under a single mother with little in the way of financial stability). Behavioral disorders, criminal activity, etc are all much higher among these groups due, in large part, to the disruption of proper parenting.

I am a believer that, if something isn't done within the next two to three generations, our society will be completely over-run with babies making babies (fed by welfare programs, of course). Obviously, the efforts we are making are not fixing the problem (in most cases, all they do is enable it to continue).

Compare it to how things were for my parents (and how my parents raised me): My parents expected to know where I was any given moment of the day; deviance from that expectation was met with consequence. I did not tell my parents where I was going - I requested to go there (unless it was in our own yard); my parents would have corrected me if I showed that there was confusion as to where I stood in the decision making process. I was to ask my parents for permission to invite friends over. Hell would have been paid if there was someone in the house that had not been cleared to be there by my parents. Until I reached a certain age - my parents screened the movies I was to watch. When they felt I was mature enough to handle a movie - they let me see it (I don't recall them screening movies past the age of about ten for me - but the fact remains that they took the time to pay attention to how I reacted to the content of movies).

Now - my parents were pretty easy going, and they rarely turned down a request for me to go and do something. But it was still understood - they were in charge, and I was accountable to them.

A lot of the above is pretty basic stuff... but as I've gotten older, I've noticed that these principles are lacking in a disturbing number of house-holds (often the single-parent households by virtue of the parent being at one of two jobs most of the time... but there are also a fair number from parents who want to try and be their child's best friend or something along those lines). People come in and out of the house on a regular basis (often without the knowledge of the parent... or the parent has given up trying to control access to the house). Kids call from 45 miles down the highway that they need a ride because their 'friends' left without them (been on a couple "Operation go get dumbass" missions at 2 in the morning...). The list of atrocities goes on.

I picked up on a lot of things from my parents that they didn't necessarily "sit down and teach" me. When I spoke, they listened to me and paid attention to what I had to say. Didn't mean I got my way all the time - but I wasn't shot down at the word: "Mom!" My parents never disciplined me without explanation, either (my dad was the king of lectures... and, obviously, that imprinted upon me) - I always knew exactly why I was being sent to my room without dinner, or had the TV taken away. I also saw how my parents treated each other. If they had arguments, they were irregular and never in front of us kids. My mom never hit my dad, or vice-versa - even as a playful thing (it wasn't their nature to play that way). And they genuinely showed that they loved and cared for each other by being supportive to each other and to us kids.

I grew up knowing what a clean room was (even though I was rarely the cause of it), with the expectation that the entire family would sit down to a meal at the same time and same place (something that took me a while to get over when I moved in with my room mates and I kind of had this weird expectation that we'd all sit down and eat together - wasn't something they grew up with and they didn't quite get why it was a deal to me), and with an imprinted instinct to be supportive to people around me (in spite of a somewhat vindictive and brooding nature).

So... I'm talking in circles at this point...

I just find it hard to blame the kids for being less controlled and respectful. They, and often their parents, are largely the victims of a cycle that has been running for far too long. Sure - some people are 'born' a dirt-bag and no amount of parenting will straighten them out... but it would be foolish to disregard the relationship between lack of parenting and poor childhood development.
wow well put sir, i had a generally the same childhood. But there were plenty of arguements(as me my brother and mom were stubborn with each other) and i have had to deal with some issues, but in the end the teachings of my parents were very neccesary and always proper. From a young age i was taught to treat girls nicely, hold the doors open etc, gentlemanly things. At first it was just i did it. Then it was because i wanted to do it because i like makeing people even just a bit happier. When i would go to church i would hold the outside door open for minutes, letting everybody in, and not stopping till they stopped coming in.

All of this was because of good parents. The parents are the ones who instill core values, and behaviors in people. Bad, or lack of parenting will cause kids to likely not become as good as kids without good parenting. And then in turn it goes on.
Its like if you have an abusive dad, you are more likely to become an abusive dad. Or if you were molested more likely to molest someone.

Its as you say the problem becomes exponential.

I am not blameing anyone, for how they are, just stateing that they are a certain way(or in this case not a certain way.


anyways well said, and i agree that kids today, seem worse than the kids of yesterday. Even though i am still technically a kid myself(as im pretty much 19) i think the main decline happened when the parents began to give cell phones to elementary school kids, and the kids stopped playing outside anymore..(somewhere from 2006-2010) that is where i either began to notice, or it started becomeing worse....what i mean by the main decline is politeness, manners, and selflessness began...

anyways this is my last post on the matter

if you disagree, then we agree to disagree.
Have a great day and thanks for looking at the thread.
 

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I've noticed a general decline. "Kids today" (though I'm only 24) seem to be even worse than we were. Perhaps it is just that I notice different things, now, compared to when I was a kid (or I'm just more aware of what goes on outside of my own little bubble).

I think a lot of it, however, has to do with a difference in parenting. Far more parents these days are single parents with multiple kids. I've never seen this work out to be what one would call healthy. In most cases, the kids basically raise themselves with little in the way of adult supervision or role models.

Worse - it's a self-feeding cycle. Teen pregnancy is exponentially higher among those raised by a single parent (and most of those pregnancies go on to be births under a single mother with little in the way of financial stability). Behavioral disorders, criminal activity, etc are all much higher among these groups due, in large part, to the disruption of proper parenting.

I am a believer that, if something isn't done within the next two to three generations, our society will be completely over-run with babies making babies (fed by welfare programs, of course). Obviously, the efforts we are making are not fixing the problem (in most cases, all they do is enable it to continue).

Compare it to how things were for my parents (and how my parents raised me): My parents expected to know where I was any given moment of the day; deviance from that expectation was met with consequence. I did not tell my parents where I was going - I requested to go there (unless it was in our own yard); my parents would have corrected me if I showed that there was confusion as to where I stood in the decision making process. I was to ask my parents for permission to invite friends over. Hell would have been paid if there was someone in the house that had not been cleared to be there by my parents. Until I reached a certain age - my parents screened the movies I was to watch. When they felt I was mature enough to handle a movie - they let me see it (I don't recall them screening movies past the age of about ten for me - but the fact remains that they took the time to pay attention to how I reacted to the content of movies).

Now - my parents were pretty easy going, and they rarely turned down a request for me to go and do something. But it was still understood - they were in charge, and I was accountable to them.

A lot of the above is pretty basic stuff... but as I've gotten older, I've noticed that these principles are lacking in a disturbing number of house-holds (often the single-parent households by virtue of the parent being at one of two jobs most of the time... but there are also a fair number from parents who want to try and be their child's best friend or something along those lines). People come in and out of the house on a regular basis (often without the knowledge of the parent... or the parent has given up trying to control access to the house). Kids call from 45 miles down the highway that they need a ride because their 'friends' left without them (been on a couple "Operation go get dumbass" missions at 2 in the morning...). The list of atrocities goes on.

I picked up on a lot of things from my parents that they didn't necessarily "sit down and teach" me. When I spoke, they listened to me and paid attention to what I had to say. Didn't mean I got my way all the time - but I wasn't shot down at the word: "Mom!" My parents never disciplined me without explanation, either (my dad was the king of lectures... and, obviously, that imprinted upon me) - I always knew exactly why I was being sent to my room without dinner, or had the TV taken away. I also saw how my parents treated each other. If they had arguments, they were irregular and never in front of us kids. My mom never hit my dad, or vice-versa - even as a playful thing (it wasn't their nature to play that way). And they genuinely showed that they loved and cared for each other by being supportive to each other and to us kids.

I grew up knowing what a clean room was (even though I was rarely the cause of it), with the expectation that the entire family would sit down to a meal at the same time and same place (something that took me a while to get over when I moved in with my room mates and I kind of had this weird expectation that we'd all sit down and eat together - wasn't something they grew up with and they didn't quite get why it was a deal to me), and with an imprinted instinct to be supportive to people around me (in spite of a somewhat vindictive and brooding nature).

So... I'm talking in circles at this point...

I just find it hard to blame the kids for being less controlled and respectful. They, and often their parents, are largely the victims of a cycle that has been running for far too long. Sure - some people are 'born' a dirt-bag and no amount of parenting will straighten them out... but it would be foolish to disregard the relationship between lack of parenting and poor childhood development.
I doubt the kids are fully to blame on anything. It's mainly the environment in which they were raised and brought up their current norms n values. We 'older folks' don't do much to inspire the youth other than teach them how to be obedient in society. I guess especially the youngings feel a craving need for a change.
 
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