A question regarding Kakashi.

[Trinky]

Now I'm even more confused xD

I always thought that an affinity for a specific nature was mandatory if you wanted to use a jutsu with the same nature - so you'd have to have an affinity for fire in order to use fire jutsus etc. If that's the case, I can't understand why there are so many ninjas with only two :O

Oh! That's another thing I wanted to ask. I read that Haku was only able to make ice elements because he had both the water and wind affinities, and also because he grew up in a snowy village. I originally thought that it was just because he could use wind and water jutsus, but upon re-reading the manga and noticing that the characters mentioned Haku's kekkei genkai, I looked into it a bit more. Apparently the surroundings of the individual have a big impact on their elements.
Is that also why Yamato is able to use the wood element? Not just because he has the genes of the First, but also because he grew up in a forest-like place? Assuming someone could use lightning and wind techniques and lived on top of a mountain (or somewhere high in the sky), is it likely that they could create a thunder element? Similar enough to lightning, but it would have that extra kick ;P

Edit - I also have a question regarding Gaara. His sand techniques are purely from adding chakra to regular sand, right?
Assuming someone lived in the desert and had an affinity for wind and earth, theoretically, could they use sand jutsu?

 

[shadedcrow]

Now I'm even more confused xD

I always thought that an affinity for a specific nature was mandatory if you wanted to use a jutsu with the same nature - so you'd have to have an affinity for fire in order to use fire jutsus etc. If that's the case, I can't understand why there are so many ninjas with only two :O

Oh! That's another thing I wanted to ask. I read that Haku was only able to make ice elements because he had both the water and wind affinities, and also because he grew up in a snowy village. I originally thought that it was just because he could use wind and water jutsus, but upon re-reading the manga and noticing that the characters mentioned Haku's kekkei genkai, I looked into it a bit more. Apparently the surroundings of the individual have a big impact on their elements.
Is that also why Yamato is able to use the wood element? Not just because he has the genes of the First, but also because he grew up in a forest-like place? Assuming someone could use lightning and wind techniques and lived on top of a mountain (or somewhere high in the sky), is it likely that they could create a thunder element? Similar enough to lightning, but it would have that extra kick ;P

There are a few ninja who can use more than two elemental types of charka.The 3rd hokage could use at least two(fire and earth), the (2nd&3rd) Tsuchikages can in theory use 3 types of elements (blood line expansion?), and Mizkage can use 3 types and has 2 KG.I think they only do it with the ones that come easiest, and learn how to excel in those styles. (I just found the English sub Naruto eps on netflicks)Haku is in theory from the hidden mist village or their country,and I'm bored before work, and watched the Zabuza battles for kicks)But Haku can alsu use wind and water juitsu not just Ice, like Yamato can use earth techs and water styles independantly. Haku does this wierd juitsu where he disapears with a swirl of wind around him it wouldnt be hard to asy that its just a wind style juitsu to help cover his tracks. Not sure there is a thunder element but thats an intresting thought none the less. I dont think theres a statement saying that a person has to have a nature afinity to use the style of juitsu. Even with that being said Kakashi said his affinity is lightening and Sauskes affinity is like his but can still use earth water and fire styles.

Rewatch Naruto eps 10 from about 10 minutes to 15 minutes and it should help clear your confusion maybe.

The 3rd Kazekages Iron Sand was based off of the previous Shikaku hosts abilities, and his chakra enfused the sand with magnatism(sp?). I doubt Garas techniques are much if any diffrent.

 

[Trinky]

Thanks for the help!

So apart from the nature-based elements, it's also possible to have ice/wood elements even if you can't use wind and water, or earth and water?

 

[shadedcrow]

Thanks for the help!

So apart from the nature-based elements, it's also possible to have ice/wood elements even if you can't use wind and water, or earth and water?

Dont think so Naruto uses toad summons and even Yamatos water type nature chakra in combination style juitsus (water and wind = water vortex). And to use a KG you have to use both types of chakra at the same time in the right proportions."quality control"

Good thread btw.


Edit: intresting side note, Haku made ice needles from the left over water of Zabuzas water clones and one handed seals. Going assume that Haku controls his wind element chakra with his left hand.

 

[Rihari]

If i remember correctly he also showed Naruto he could also make the rasengan. So he can use all five elements, i guess?

nah the rasengan is just chakra not wind type the rasen shuriken is a wind type thts how it gt the shape because naruto added wind to it

 

[smoregasborgs]

Thanks for the help!

So apart from the nature-based elements, it's also possible to have ice/wood elements even if you can't use wind and water, or earth and water?

NO! Ice Release and Wood Release are kekkei genkai or bloodline limit techniques. this special kid of technique is CREATED by mixing two of the five known types: earth, water, fire, wind, lightning. you have to be a member of a certain clan to use a kekkei genkai. however, it's not just a question of being a member of a clan or not. you have to actually possess THE "special talent." this means that not all members of a clan can use their kekkei genkai.

haku's clan, YUKI, possess the kekkei genkai Ice Release. he mixes his water and wind affinities to create ice. however, not all of his clan members are capable of doing so. the same is true with the senju clan's wood release and all other kekkei genkai.

NOTE: byakugan is the only known kekkei genkai to be possessed by all members of the Huuyga clan.

 

[shadedcrow]

NO! Ice Release and Wood Release are kekkei genkai or bloodline limit techniques. this special kid of technique is CREATED by mixing two of the five known types: earth, water, fire, wind, lightning. you have to be a member of a certain clan to use a kekkei genkai. however, it's not just a question of being a member of a clan or not. you have to actually possess THE "special talent." this means that not all members of a clan can use their kekkei genkai.

haku's clan, YUKI, possess the kekkei genkai Ice Release. he mixes his water and wind affinities to create ice. however, not all of his clan members are capable of doing so. the same is true with the senju clan's wood release and all other kekkei genkai.

NOTE: byakugan is the only known kekkei genkai to be possessed by all members of the Huuyga clan.

Not true, Yamato isnt a Senju, but he has the wood element, nor was Danzo or Kakashi a Uchiha but they have a sharingan. As for Ao hes from the Mist and the Huuyga are a distingushed family of the leaf, and he has a eye from their clan and all the above mentioned use the given clans KG with out belonging to the clan. While you have to be born into the clan to have it naturally/and use it efficently (less chakra drained/used) its not the only way to use, or have a KG.

Thanks Orochimaru and Rin for messing up the norm in terms of using/having a KG.

 

[Wesobi]

Not true, Yamato isnt a Senju, but he has the wood element, nor was Danzo or Kakashi a Uchiha but they have a sharingan. As for Ao hes from the Mist and the Huuyga are a distingushed family of the leaf, and he has a eye from their clan and all the above mentioned use the given clans KG with out belonging to the clan. While you have to be born into the clan to have it naturally/and use it efficently (less chakra drained/used) its not the only way to use, or have a KG.

Thanks Orochimaru and Rin for messing up the norm in terms of using/having a KG.

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Well, Yamato had the DNA injected into his body, and was one of Oro's guinea pigs. Same goes for Danzo. The Sharingan can (so far) only be used when it is passed on in an active state (meaning we have no clue if an Uchiha gives his sharingan unactived to someone, it would still work). Ao is similar, having stolen the Byakugan from one of the Hyuuga main branch members (obviously, otherwise the tag would have prevented the Byakugan from being able to active or even being used as an eye).

I do agree however on the chakra draining part.

As for the ontopic question.
I think it was stated that a person could use up to 3 elements, without a KG, though this is very, very, very rare. I'm of the belief that Kakashi's Sharingan helped him in this process, but he still had somewhat a gift of his own to understand these techniques. I mean, he was able to make an A-ranked lightning attack at there age of 10, was it? That proves something. Though, because of him getting the Sharingan so early in life, I think it will stay a discussable fact if he got it because of the Sharingan or because of his own.

 

[jinyu]

nice thoughts

 

[shadedcrow]

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Everyone read this, and problem solved?

Well, Yamato had the DNA injected into his body, and was one of Oro's guinea pigs. Same goes for Danzo. The Sharingan can (so far) only be used when it is passed on in an active state (meaning we have no clue if an Uchiha gives his sharingan unactived to someone, it would still work). Ao is similar, having stolen the Byakugan from one of the Hyuuga main branch members (obviously, otherwise the tag would have prevented the Byakugan from being able to active or even being used as an eye).

I do agree however on the chakra draining part.

As for the ontopic question.
I think it was stated that a person could use up to 3 elements, without a KG, though this is very, very, very rare. I'm of the belief that Kakashi's Sharingan helped him in this process, but he still had somewhat a gift of his own to understand these techniques. I mean, he was able to make an A-ranked lightning attack at there age of 10, was it? That proves something. Though, because of him getting the Sharingan so early in life, I think it will stay a discussable fact if he got it because of the Sharingan or because of his own.

13 when he became a jounin, and used his lighting tech the first time and lost his eye.