A question/plot hole about Tobi.

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I was watching some of the Confining the Jinchuuriki Arc, precisely, the episode where Naruto is shown collecting the animals, and then afterwards, Tobi shows Kabuto his power and everything he has stored up. Out of these war materials Tobi has, one is a tree with the first hokage growing out of it, pure senju cells. Tobi couldn't have made that over night, so its safe to say he's had it for awhile.

Seeing that made me think, why didn't Tobi get Rinnegan himself by combining his uchiha DNA with the Senju DNA and progressing his sharingan that way? Why did he have to go to the trouble of killing Konan and stealing Nagato's eyes when he had a perfectly feasible solution in his freakin basement? I understand that Tobi would need Sharingan to do eye on the moon, but if he had progressed his sharingan in that way such as Madara, wouldn't he be able to change back and forth between the two doujutsu too? I just swear that would of made things a lot easier on him and his plans of world domination and such. Plus at that point he could have made easy work of the tailed beasts by himself.

Thinking about this also made me think, why couldn't he have done the same thing for Sasuke? Sasuke had a beast sharingan, and had already done the full progression of shar>Ms>EMS, why shouldn't he have been able to unlock Rinnegan at that point? Nagato did when he was like 8 years old so i would think Sasuke could at like 16/17. I just don't understand why Tobi would downplay such an option, i would imagine he wanted his forces to be at full strength so i don't get why this option was not thought through.

If tobi or sasuke had natural rinnegan, many things could have gone down differently, idk it'd be a major plot changer.
BTW im in no way hating on Naruto or Kishi or any of that, its just something i noticed.
What are your thoughts guys?
 

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Because so far as we know he doesn't have EMS. You need EMS to get Rinnegan, and it has not been confirmed if you need Senju DNA or not. We don't know the full details of the evolution from EMS to Rinnegan, so I don't think it's that easy to get.
 

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Because so far as we know he doesn't have EMS. You need EMS to get Rinnegan, and it has not been confirmed if you need Senju DNA or not.
That's a good point. But tobi is a scheisty bastard, and has hundreds of sharingan at his disposal, i think he could find a way if he really tried
 

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Well I think Tobi is trying to get Sasuke to Nagato's point but hes been a bit busy , I mean he literally just gave Sasuke EMS - implanted Itachi's eyes - before leaving him to heal and join the war
Sasuke has just gotten EMS so hasn't really had time to progress it ? And anyway we don't know how to get rinnegan
And as for Tobi , maybe he can't get EMS because he has no siblings ? We'll have to wait as his identity could reveal the answers to your questions :)
 

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i think you have to have an ems then add senju dna to make it rinnegan or the sharingan on danzo's arm would have turned to rinnegans but they're regular sharingans the senju dna made the technique izanagi longer
and tobi did want sasuke's eyes because susano'o is a rarity maybe if tobi took them and planted them in himself and they turned into rinnegan because he has senju dna from white zetsu it will turn into a rinnegan and he can use susano'o like madara with his rinnegan active
 
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You need EMS to get to Rinnegan naturally so Tobi probably doesn't have EMS.

He didn't do that to Sasuke because Sasuke has his own agenda right now and Tobi couldn't risk someone running around doing what they wanted with the Rinnegan.
 

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i think you have to have an ems then add senju dna to make it rinnegan or the sharingan on danzo's arm would have turned to rinnegans but they're regular sharingans the senju dna made the technique izanagi longer
and tobi did want sasuke's eyes because susano'o is a rarity maybe if tobi took them and planted them in himself and they turned into rinnegan because he has senju dna from white zetsu it will turn into a rinnegan and he can use susano'o like madara with his rinnegan active
That was all one really good ****in point lol. +rep and thx, i did'nt even think about danzo
 

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That's a good point. But tobi is a scheisty bastard, and has hundreds of sharingan at his disposal, i think he could find a way if he really tried
All of the Sharingan he had might not help. We don't know if he has MS, but to get EMS you need to transplant an MS eye into your eyes if you have MS. We're not sure if it has to be sibling related, or if any MS could do. Not even Tobi can cheat something like that. Mainly because there were only 5 people who were known to have MS, and none of them have MS anymore.
 
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