A Question about Madara

[fasterthanminato]

Will Madara betray Obito and join Hashirama as his trump card?

 

[Booker]

next time read the words rather than seeing the pics.

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''It is the most powerful illusion ever, the ability to project my eyes onto the moon''.

sharingan is not the most powerful illusion. if madara cannot use tskuyomi then how come he heard about it?

Just because he's heard of Tsukuyomi doesn't mean anything, because Tsukuyomi translates to roughly "Moon god". It doesn't mean he's heard of Tsukuyomi the technique, it just means he's heard of the word "moon god", which also means "Tsukuyomi".

It's like, you've heard the word "surf" right? Are you a surfer? No? But you've still heard the word "surf".

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again madara says humans will sleep in infinite tsukyomi not sharingan genjutsu. tskuyomi is needed for the eye moon plan, otherwise it wont work.

the picture you showed only shows madara teaching obito how to use the tskuyomi plan.

Wrong.

Get this through your head: Tsukuyomi has nothing to do with Infinite Tsukuyomi. They share a common word. That's like saying that because my name is Jake, everybody named Jake looks like me.

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madara mentions that gedo mazo is the reason he was able to do this. it makes sense since GM is vessel for the juubi which powers up tskuyomi into immense levels.

Wrong again. Tsukuyomi isn't needed for Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Need proof? Let me ask you this:

Obito doesn't have Tsukuyomi and he wasn't planning on reviving Madara. How was he going to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi then? Because it doesn't require Tsuk.

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enton comes from amatersu it derives from amatersu. after awakening amatersu sasuke can control the flames because it came from amatersu. tobirama noticed their colour which means he saw amatersu before.

Tobirama mentions Enton or Amaterasu NOWHERE in that scan. He only says "Kagetsuchi", which means "flame control". Flame control can be applied to any flames. Dragon Flame Bombs is a kagetsuchi technique since Hiruzen shapes the form of fire.

Literally everyone realized they were black if they saw them, it doesn't mean they know what they are.

Chouji saw the black flames, but that doesn't mean he knows it's Amaterasu. Give up.

 

[Bronze]

Just because he's heard of Tsukuyomi doesn't mean anything, because Tsukuyomi translates to roughly "Moon god". It doesn't mean he's heard of Tsukuyomi the technique, it just means he's heard of the word "moon god", which also means "Tsukuyomi".

It's like, you've heard the word "surf" right? Are you a surfer? No? But you've still heard the word "surf".



Wrong.

Get this through your head: Tsukuyomi has nothing to do with Infinite Tsukuyomi. They share a common word. That's like saying that because my name is Jake, everybody named Jake looks like me.



Wrong again. Tsukuyomi isn't needed for Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Need proof? Let me ask you this:

Obito doesn't have Tsukuyomi and he wasn't planning on reviving Madara. How was he going to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi then? Because it doesn't require Tsuk.

Tobirama mentions Enton or Amaterasu NOWHERE in that scan. He only says "Kagetsuchi", which means "flame control". Flame control can be applied to any flames. Dragon Flame Bombs is a kagetsuchi technique since Hiruzen shapes the form of fire.

Literally everyone realized they were black if they saw them, it doesn't mean they know what they are.

Chouji saw the black flames, but that doesn't mean he knows it's Amaterasu. Give up.

madara can use tskuyomi and amatersu whether you like it or not.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Just because he's heard of Tsukuyomi doesn't mean anything, because Tsukuyomi translates to roughly "Moon god". It doesn't mean he's heard of Tsukuyomi the technique, it just means he's heard of the word "moon god", which also means "Tsukuyomi".

It's like, you've heard the word "surf" right? Are you a surfer? No? But you've still heard the word "surf".



Wrong.

Get this through your head: Tsukuyomi has nothing to do with Infinite Tsukuyomi. They share a common word. That's like saying that because my name is Jake, everybody named Jake looks like me.



Wrong again. Tsukuyomi isn't needed for Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Need proof? Let me ask you this:

Obito doesn't have Tsukuyomi and he wasn't planning on reviving Madara. How was he going to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi then? Because it doesn't require Tsuk.



You are so stupid. Is English your first language?

Tobirama mentions Enton or Amaterasu NOWHERE in that scan. He only says "Kagetsuchi", which means "flame control". Flame control can be applied to any flames. Dragon Flame Bombs is a kagetsuchi technique since Hiruzen shapes the form of fire.

Your color argument is equally ridiculous. Literally everyone realized they were black if they saw them, it doesn't mean they know what they are.

Chouji saw the black flames, but that doesn't mean he knows it's Amaterasu.

Give up. Your argument is total specluation and just bending words.

Verbal abuse will not be tolerated. I am not in the habit of neg repping so i am not going to, however keep things respectful please, or otherwise sail on to another thread. Stay on topic.

Oh and in response the scan clearly showed Madara explaining that the Jutsuwould reflect his eyes onto the moon, hence causing the Genjutsu itself to become Infinite. In agreement with something someone else said, the Gedo Mazou was crucial in powering up Madara and subsequently the power of the Juubi would have completed the process projecting the Jutsu onto the moon. I'll say it again: "Projecting the Jutsu onto the Moon".

It would therefore require little logic to understand that this amplification would therefore be used on an existing Jutsu: Tsukuyomi, which being reflected onto the moon by the power of the Juubi would have then become Infinite. The fact that Madaras Eye would be reflected on the Moon is the reason it was called 'The Moon's Eye Plan'.

Obito was unable to unlock these Jutsus possibly owing to the fact that he had given Kakashi his eye, however it is still a possibility that Madara imparted the 'Jutsu' to him at the point that he said 'Obito will be Saviour' and stared into his eyes.

Another Uchiha has imparted a Jutsu in this simple way which was Itachi when he gave Sasuke the gift of Amaterasu.... which brings me back to my point.. Madaras Amaterasu (understood he has Tsukuyomi and Susano'o).

Like others i feel Kishi has withheld this purposely, as Madara would i deed be way OP, especiLly with his existing abilities. But the fact it has not even been mentioned is the reason i have posed the question.

Note: Just because it has not been confirmed/refuted by Kishimoto does not mean he does not have it; but based on everything he has indicated within the Manga, as well as databook and narutopedia it still remains Manga Fact that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are required to unlock Susano'o.

 

[Booker]

Verbal abuse will not be tolerated. I am not in the habit of neg repping so i am not going to, however keep things respectful please, or otherwise sail on to another thread. Stay on topic.

Oh and in response the scan clearly showed Madara explaining that the Jutsuwould reflect his eyes onto the moon, hence causing the Genjutsu itself to become Infinite. In agreement with something someone else said, the Gedo Mazou was crucial in powering up Madara and subsequently the power of the Juubi would have completed the process projecting the Jutsu onto the moon. I'll say it again: "Projecting the Jutsu onto the Moon".

It would therefore require little logic to understand that this amplification would therefore be used on an existing Jutsu: Tsukuyomi, which being reflected onto the moon by the power of the Juubi would have then become Infinite. The fact that Madaras Eye would be reflected on the Moon is the reason it was called 'The Moon's Eye Plan'.

Obito was unable to unlock these Jutsus possibly owing to the fact that he had given Kakashi his eye, however it is still a possibility that Madara imparted the 'Jutsu' to him at the point that he said 'Obito will be Saviour' and stared into his eyes.

Another Uchiha has imparted a Jutsu in this simple way which was Itachi when he gave Sasuke the gift of Amaterasu.... which brings me back to my point.. Madaras Amaterasu (understood he has Tsukuyomi and Susano'o).

Like others i feel Kishi has withheld this purposely, as Madara would i deed be way OP, especiLly with his existing abilities. But the fact it has not even been mentioned is the reason i have posed the question.

Note: Just because it has not been confirmed/refuted by Kishimoto does not mean he does not have it; but based on everything he has indicated within the Manga, as well as databook and narutopedia it still remains Manga Fact that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are required to unlock Susano'o.

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This scan turns your post into a waste of space.

Madara was using 3-tomoe to show Obito the genjutsu they would use, so it couldn't be Tsukuyomi.

Nice try though.

Oh, and by the way, if you think calling somebody stupid is disrespectful when they deserve it, then you are pampered.

Neg rep me. It will literally do nothing to it.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

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This scan turns your post into a waste of space.

Madara was using 3-tomoe to show Obito the genjutsu they would use, so it couldn't be Tsukuyomi.

Nice try though.

Oh, and by the way, if you think calling somebody stupid is disrespectful when they deserve it, then you are pampered.

Neg rep me. It will literally do nothing to it.

Whether or not his EMS was activated does not mean he is unable to perform Tsukuyomi as we know him now. I am referring to Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu being two of the progenitor Jutsus for unlocking Susano'o. Are you saying his Susano'o was automatic? Or that your word stands above the Databook, Narutopedia, or Manga fact?

It is also my understanding that Madara lost his eye at this the time of speaking with Obito, His EMS had been acquired before the founding of the Leaf Village so its more than possible he had unlocked Tsukuyomi during this time period as these were the times he was using Susano'o. I am not interested in old Madara without his eyes, I am referring to Madara in his prime with full use of his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan in which all of his abilities were unlocked.

Your argument remains flawed.

 

[Booker]

Whether or not his EMS was activated does not mean he is unable to perform Tsukuyomi as we know him now. I am referring to Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu being two of the progenitor Jutsus for unlocking Susano'o. Are you saying his Susano'o was automatic? Or that your word stands above the Databook, Narutopedia, or Manga fact?

It is also my understanding that Madara lost his eye at this the time of speaking with Obito, His EMS had been acquired before the founding of the Leaf Village so its more than possible he had unlocked Tsukuyomi during this time period as these were the times he was using Susano'o. I am not interested in old Madara without his eyes, I am referring to Madara in his prime with full use of his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan in which all of his abilities were unlocked.

Your argument remains flawed.

And on a side note, Troll, I am a wrong person to get personal with. You talk big only because you are behind your computer. If you come into these thread speak with respect.

To argue with a Fool makes one a Fool. So I have nothing left to say to you.

Still wrong, and now it's been established you have no idea what you're talking about.

Tsukuyomi is an MS technique. That was a 3 Tomoe. Therefore, the Genjutsu needed for Infinite Tsukuyomi is not Tsukuyomi. Simple stuff Broski.

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are not requirements for Susano'o. That statement in the databook is dated and retconned as only applying to Itachi. If it was to be applied to every Susano'o, then every Susano'o also has Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade. Narutopedia is a stupid fanmade load of crap. It's confirmed in the manga a grand total of zero times.

 

[EternalFlame]

Because he has meteors, rinnegan, mokuton and giant samurai warriors with a mountain slicing power.

 

[Trollasaur]

I'm thinking PS is his special ablity.

 

[PabloEscobar]

His Uchiha bloodline is different.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

His Uchiha bloodline is different.

Fair enough his Uchiha bloodline may possibly be different from that of Itachi and Sasuke, however it has been stated already that Susano'o is the 'third' power after the first two Mangeko Sharingan abilities have been awakened.

I will take a slightly different stance for arguments sake. Let's say you are right; what then are his two existing MS (EMS - as he also has his brother Izunas eyes) abilities?

I didnt realise this question would be so difficult to find an answer to

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Will Madara betray Obito and join Hashirama as his trump card?

I'm starting to feel that Madara is actually more alligned to Hashirama than with Obito. Obito was only needed for the Rinne Tensei (to revive Madara). However, he has now become a loose cannon.

I am still patiently waiting to see what his 'trump card' actually is. Maybe he intends on eating the Fruit of the Tree himself (if indeed the tree does produce it) and thus gain the full power of the Sage (Sages Mother) and through that find a way to gain control of the Juubi.

I understand Madaras thinking. However, I understand Narutos also. A world of illusion... hmmm. Nope lol A world of peace.. yes

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

simple really madara is really powerful if he started using ama people would be dying left and right

there's alot of other jutsu he hasnt used or is not using anymore