A possible plothole in The Boruto Movie?

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He can talk to them but they have to reach out, or he has to initiate the conversation. Plus he can't do that in base.

He has to be in RSM. Chakra mode on or off doesn't matter according to the manga though

Well, obviously one of them would have to strike up a conversation in order for there to be one.

I don't think so. Hagoromo just said that their chakra was in him now, he didn't say that Naruto needed to be in any mode in order for them to speak. It most likely works just like being a jin does. There might not be any evidence of him using it in base, but there isn't evidence supporting him needing to be in some sort of mode either.

More over, Hagoromo talked about it while Naruto was in base.
 

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Well, obviously one of them would have to strike up a conversation in order for them to be one.

I don't think so. Hagoromo just said that their chakra was in him now, he didn't say that Naruto needed to be in any mode in order for them to speak. It most likely works just like being a jin does. There might not be any evidence of him using it in base, but there isn't evidence supporting him needing to be in some sort of mode either.

More over, Hagoromo talked about it while Naruto was in base.
Of course.

Well, he has to. Naruto has never contacted them outside of his RSM mode. Any other thought would be an assumption since it lacks the actual credentials to be proven outside of someone's belief. Well considering Naruto isn't a literal Jinchuriki of them all, I wouldn't consider it to be in the same level of what he and Kurama can accomplish together.

Well actually there is. His conversations with Tailed Beasts, excluding Kurama, have all been in an RSM Mode. Not to mention he unlocked the potential/power, to talk to them individually, after receiving the power up from Hagoromo. When he is in that state after-all.
 

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Of course.

Well, he has to. Naruto has never contacted them outside of his RSM mode. Any other thought would be an assumption since it lacks the actual credentials to be proven outside of someone's belief. Well considering Naruto isn't a literal Jinchuriki of them all, I wouldn't consider it to be in the same level of what he and Kurama can accomplish together.

Well actually there is. His conversations with Tailed Beasts, excluding Kurama, have all been in an RSM Mode. Not to mention he unlocked the potential/power, to talk to them individually, after receiving the power up from Hagoromo. When he is in that state after-all.

Just because we haven't seen him talk to beasts in base doesn't mean that he can't, likewise it doesn't mean that he can. He could have only talked to them in RSM because that's the only time he needed to talk to them.

We don't know exactly know if he can or he can't, but i'd suggest that he can.

What reason would there be for Naruto to really need RSM to talk to them? Would that activate something within him to let them talk or something? Would he lack the beasts chakra if he wasn't in RSM, or would it simply be blocked by the lack of RSM? What if the beasts wanted to meet, but Naruto wasn't in RSM? What then would be the purpose of even having him as a meeting place? Would Naruto be the only one able to call upon meetings then? Why would Hagoromo tell the beats that they simply need to use their chakra in him tp strike a conversation then?

To me it just seems illogical to have Naruto need RSM when he has been doing something so similar with Kurama without some mandatory mode.
 

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Just because we haven't seen him talk to beasts in base doesn't mean that he can't, likewise it doesn't mean that he can. He could have only talked to them in RSM because that's the only time he needed to talk to them.

We don't know exactly know if he can or he can't, but i'd suggest that he can.

What reason would there be for Naruto to really need RSM to talk to them? Would that activate something within him to let them talk or something? Would he lack the beasts chakra if he wasn't in RSM, or would it simply be blocked by the lack of RSM? What if the beasts wanted to meet, but Naruto wasn't in RSM? What then would be the purpose of even having him as a meeting place? Would Naruto be the only one able to call upon meetings then? Why would Hagoromo tell the beats that they simply need to use their chakra in him tp strike a conversation then?

To me it just seems illogical to have Naruto need RSM when he has been doing something so similar with Kurama without some mandatory mode.
That's because he hasn't shown the ability of being able to talk to them outside of an RSM Mode, therefore we can only go with the logical former. I can't really find a reason for him not to at this point, considering how that power even manifested itself.

Oh it's for sure that he can't. Given what he has shown in the Manga, and the Canon movies. There is no proof to show that he can, but proof to show that he can't. Therefore the answer is obvious, right? I'm asking this question because I don't prefer your opinion, but I'm asking for what's being stated in the Manga and by it's logic. Going by those rules I expect an answer on those terms, what we think doesn't really matter. Because I too believe he should have the power to at least contact them outside of RSM, but the fact is, he hasn't shown that ability.

It's like me saying that Sasuke can deactivate his Rinnegan, manga wise only. While he has shown this in the movie, let's forget about that subject. Since he hasn't shown that kind of ability yet, what's there to proof that he can?

Considering that Naruto could only talk to them after receiving Rikudou Sage Mode, the answer lies that Hagoromo's power gave him the ability. Mind us, Naruto had the Tailed Beast chakra for quite a long time before meeting Hagoromo, and he never once talked to them on his own outside of their subconscious when freeing them all. He was only shown capable of not only talking to them individually, but being able to use their chakra too.

Well that's not exactly what it implies in VIZ
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It does implicate that if the Tailed Beasts wanted to talk to each other (as in other Tailed Beast), they would only need to use Naruto has the harbinger to do so. But nothing really implies that Naruto has to be the one to initiate the conversation, it really implies that they can do this themselves among each other, because they would be connected. Which further proves that Naruto can't talk to them unless he uses Hagoromo's power.
 

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That's because he hasn't shown the ability of being able to talk to them outside of an RSM Mode, therefore we can only go with the logical former. I can't really find a reason for him not to at this point, considering how that power even manifested itself.

Oh it's for sure that he can't. Given what he has shown in the Manga, and the Canon movies. There is no proof to show that he can, but proof to show that he can't. Therefore the answer is obvious, right? I'm asking this question because I don't prefer your opinion, but I'm asking for what's being stated in the Manga and by it's logic. Going by those rules I expect an answer on those terms, what we think doesn't really matter. Because I too believe he should have the power to at least contact them outside of RSM, but the fact is, he hasn't shown that ability.

It's like me saying that Sasuke can deactivate his Rinnegan, manga wise only. While he has shown this in the movie, let's forget about that subject. Since he hasn't shown that kind of ability yet, what's there to proof that he can?

Considering that Naruto could only talk to them after receiving Rikudou Sage Mode, the answer lies that Hagoromo's power gave him the ability. Mind us, Naruto had the Tailed Beast chakra for quite a long time before meeting Hagoromo, and he never once talked to them on his own outside of their subconscious when freeing them all. He was only shown capable of not only talking to them individually, but being able to use their chakra too.

Well that's not exactly what it implies in VIZ
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It does implicate that if the Tailed Beasts wanted to talk to each other (as in other Tailed Beast), they would only need to use Naruto has the harbinger to do so. But nothing really implies that Naruto has to be the one to initiate the conversation, it really implies that they can do this themselves among each other, because they would be connected. Which further proves that Naruto can't talk to them unless he uses Hagoromo's power.

There is no evidence that suggests he can't do it outside of RSM, there's only evidence showing that he can use it in RSM. Not using it base mode doesn't exactly mean he can't use it in base mode. It's like saying that because i've never seen a Tasmian Tiger they don't exist. I would need more evidence to prove that they don't and more evidence to prove that they do. Except in this case there's hardly any evidemce for either.

I said that they would need Naruto to initiate the conversation everytime because he would need to activate RSM according to you, and he chooses to do that.

That's basically the same thing though. He says that they can use him as a gathering place. Implying they can choose to do it whenever thay want,
 

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There is no evidence that suggests he can't do it outside of RSM, there's only evidence showing that he can use it in RSM. Not using it base mode doesn't exactly mean he can't use it in base mode. It's like saying that because i've never seen a Tasmian Tiger they don't exist. I would need more evidence to prove that they don't and more evidence to prove that they do. Except in this case there's hardly any evidemce for either.

I said that they would need Naruto to initiate the conversation everytime because he would need to activate RSM according to you, and he chooses to do that.

That's basically the same thing though. He says that they can use him as a gathering place. Implying they can choose to do it whenever thay want,
The evidence that shows that he can't do it outside of RSM is the fact that he:

>Only gained the power to do so after being Rikudou enhanced
>Never talked to the Tailed Beast outside of RSM

Read the VIZ scan I showed, it actually said something different. While they may use Naruto as a gathering place, they can choose to contact each other whenever they want to.

After watching the movie, Killer Bee escapes towards the end (after missing for a majority of the movie), in the same way he escaped Amaterasu from Sasuke. Seeing how KB and Hachibi didn't have a conversation until after he spawned, I guess the same logic follows here. It wouldn't make much sense for Hachibi and KB not to talk until he got himself away from the situation, but as soon as they did.

Hachibi complained instantly because KB made him lose a tail.
 

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The evidence that shows that he can't do it outside of RSM is the fact that he:

>Only gained the power to do so after being Rikudou enhanced
>Never talked to the Tailed Beast outside of RSM

Read the VIZ scan I showed, it actually said something different. While they may use Naruto as a gathering place, they can choose to contact each other whenever they want to.

After watching the movie, Killer Bee escapes towards the end (after missing for a majority of the movie), in the same way he escaped Amaterasu from Sasuke. Seeing how KB and Hachibi didn't have a conversation until after he spawned, I guess the same logic follows here. It wouldn't make much sense for Hachibi and KB not to talk until he got himself away from the situation, but as soon as they did.

Hachibi complained instantly because KB made him lose a tail.

1. No he doesn't.
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Now there's more evidence that he doesn't need RSM.

They can't talk to each other unless Naruto is in RSM accprding to you. That means only Naruto can summon them because he's the only one who can activate his RSM.
 

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1. No he doesn't.
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Now there's more evidence that he doesn't need RSM.

They can't talk to each other unless Naruto is in RSM accprding to you. That means only Naruto can summon them because he's the only one who can activate his RSM.
Wrong. He was in direct contact with the Tailed beasts. Read the scan before, or I'll bring it up next time you quote.

Second scan:
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Looks like you might have missed that part.
 

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Read the manga.
Naruto is connected to every bijuu so logically, Gyuki should be able to talk with Naruto or to each Bjiuu since some bad motha****a is hunting down the Bjiuus again.

A possible plothole in The Boruto Movie?
no:lmao:super big ultra plothole
 

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The evidence that shows that he can't do it outside of RSM is the fact that he:

>Only gained the power to do so after being Rikudou enhanced
>Never talked to the Tailed Beast outside of RSM

Read the VIZ scan I showed, it actually said something different. While they may use Naruto as a gathering place, they can choose to contact each other whenever they want to.

After watching the movie, Killer Bee escapes towards the end (after missing for a majority of the movie), in the same way he escaped Amaterasu from Sasuke. Seeing how KB and Hachibi didn't have a conversation until after he spawned, I guess the same logic follows here. It wouldn't make much sense for Hachibi and KB not to talk until he got himself away from the situation, but as soon as they did.

Hachibi complained instantly because KB made him lose a tail.

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He only was able to contact them because of this, the same way he contacted the Yonbi. Not to mention the Yonbi himself told them to gather and wait for Naruto to release them all in one place.

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Wrong. He was in direct contact with the Tailed beasts. Read the scan before, or I'll bring it up next time you quote.

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Looks like you might have missed that part.

Hagoromo is telling Naruto that he is the prophesied one because Naruto was able to summon his soul along with the beasts, just like was prophesied.

Here's more proof of it.
 
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dunno until kishi confirms it then yeah naruto still has RSM he just slacked thats all
 

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Bee was unconscious and Gyuuki was perhaps put under some restriction jutsu/Genjutsu of the Rinnegan, which blocked the mind link. As such, Naruto didn't fell anything.
 

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When Momoshiki take Hachibi and Bee to different dimension I think their chakra link lost a connection. And also Bijuus chakra inside Naruto diminished already after he constantly used them when fighting Kaguya and Sasuke and only Yin Kurama chakra left inside Naruto body as he was his Jin.

Bijuu never sent Naruto their chakra after that using bro fist or remotely.
 
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