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Introduction
Well, at least I hope this thread will have enough detail to be considered a "detailed thread." But yeah, I believe Nagato > Hashirama, and that Nagato has counters to most of Hashirama's, if not all, shown techniques. I also believe that Hashirama, on the other hand, does not have too many counters to Nagato's techniques.
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1. Hashirama's shown techniques that Nagato can counter
2. Nagato's techniques that can give Hashirama trouble
3. The Controversial Bringer of Darkness (B.O.D.)
Admittedly, this is a tough technique to counter. Nagato may possibly be able to get his summons to transfer chakra into him to negate the Genjutsu, but I'm not sure on that.
But there is a weakness to B.O.D:
"Although it negates sight, it does not stop the other senses."
Nagato can spam Asura Path missiles and hope for a hit on Hashirama, though this also a tough one. So he can spam Shinra Tensei to keep Hashirama away from him, so he can use a Chibaku Tensei, sending Hashirama into the air. This will essentially keep Hashirama away from him, and possibly disable the Genjutsu. From there, Nagato can let CB crush Hashirama, or kill him with the Asura Path.
OR Nagato can send a flying summon out of the Genjutsu, giving Nagato sight through it.
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So in conclusion, as of now, Nagato can defeat Hashirama because there are counters to all of Hashirama's shown techniques. Hashirama simply cannot defeat a skilled Rinnegan user such as Nagato. Thank you for reading.
tl;dr: Nagato's Preta Path can absorb Hashirama's Mokuton and other Ninjutsu. Deva Path can blow away his techniques, and also send Hashirama reeling in towards him. Asura Path can cause destructive damage everywhere, and can also be a possible counter to B.O.D. Animal Path summons can give Nagato a wide range of vision to avoid Hashirama's techniques, and also let him cause some damage through them. Nagato's Chibaku Tensei can pretty much end Hashirama.
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Well, at least I hope this thread will have enough detail to be considered a "detailed thread." But yeah, I believe Nagato > Hashirama, and that Nagato has counters to most of Hashirama's, if not all, shown techniques. I also believe that Hashirama, on the other hand, does not have too many counters to Nagato's techniques.
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1. Hashirama's shown techniques that Nagato can counter
In this section, I'll be listing Hashirama's techniques that can be countered by Nagato, and why:
NOTE: I'm using Yamato's techniques. Just imagine them on a larger scale.
1. Mokuton - Forest Genesis
As shown, this technique obviously creates a huge forest that not only grows anywhere, but it also attempts to bind the user (shown by it attacking Hiruzen). IMO, this technique will be quite simple to beat by Nagato, even without the use of Preta Path (which can simply absorb it). As shown in his fight with Naruto and co., Nagato can use Shinra Tensei while still immobile, shown here:
With this, Nagato can easily push away any wood binding him. It can be noted that Kabuto forced Nagato to use it, but Amaterasu =/ Mokuton in terms of damage to the body like that. Binding by wood will not kill Nagato, therefore he'll still be able to use Shinra Tensei to blast it away. And with the Deva, Asura, and Preta paths, Nagato can easily dispatch the entire forest.
2. Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands
This is a technique used by Yamato to bind a Bijuu's chakra, which Nagato has none of. So it should be no issue.
3. Wood Release: Wood Spikes Ring
A technique used by Yamato, and also probably Hashirama. A Shinra Tensei should easily be able to blow it away, even if the spikes are in motion.
4. Wood Release: Four-Pillar Prison Technique
Asura path's missiles should be able to easily blow this up. Or the Preta Path can absorb it. OR Deva Path can just blow it away. No issue here.
5. Wood Release: Great Forest Technique
A technique that transforms the arm into wood and extends it as maneuverable spikes. A deadly technique, though Nagato can easily counter it. Nagato can simply use the Preta Path on this technique to absorb it, or use the Asura Path to grab it with mechanical arms, as shown below:
6. Wood Release: Smothering Binding Technique
There are two counters to this. One is the simple Shinra Tensei to blow it away. Or Nagato can use the Preta Path to absorb all the Ninjutsu around him, as shown:
7. Wood Release: Wood Locking Wall
This is a defensive jutsu that doesn't really pose much of a threat to Nagato. He can easily blow it up using his Asura Path, and that's only one option. This is what Nagato can do to this jutsu to blow it up:
8. Wood Release: Jukai Koutan
Nagato has a couple of counters to this. One is he can absorb only the wood in his vicinity, so as to remove any nearby threat. OR he can use the Asura Path and fire missiles everywhere to counter and stop the wood. Or he can simply use Shinra Tensei and send everything flying away from him.
9. Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees
This technique poses a decent threat to Nagato. But, as shown, it can be avoided by flying up and away from it, as shown by the Kages floating up above it, through Gaara's sand. Also, as long as it isn't inhaled, it'll have no effect on a floating Nagato, and we all know the Deva Path can fly, letting Nagato avoid this technique. Then, he can just use Shinra Tensei from the air to get rid of all of it:
10. Healing without handsigns
A good move indeed. But Hashirama was still bloodied and exhausted after his fight with Madara, showing that he can't completely heal anything. So a Chibaku Tensei, Asura Path missiles, or any other destructive technique (Nagato has all elements) can easily damage Hashirama by a good amount.
NOTE: I'm using Yamato's techniques. Just imagine them on a larger scale.
1. Mokuton - Forest Genesis
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As shown, this technique obviously creates a huge forest that not only grows anywhere, but it also attempts to bind the user (shown by it attacking Hiruzen). IMO, this technique will be quite simple to beat by Nagato, even without the use of Preta Path (which can simply absorb it). As shown in his fight with Naruto and co., Nagato can use Shinra Tensei while still immobile, shown here:
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With this, Nagato can easily push away any wood binding him. It can be noted that Kabuto forced Nagato to use it, but Amaterasu =/ Mokuton in terms of damage to the body like that. Binding by wood will not kill Nagato, therefore he'll still be able to use Shinra Tensei to blast it away. And with the Deva, Asura, and Preta paths, Nagato can easily dispatch the entire forest.
2. Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands
This is a technique used by Yamato to bind a Bijuu's chakra, which Nagato has none of. So it should be no issue.
3. Wood Release: Wood Spikes Ring
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A technique used by Yamato, and also probably Hashirama. A Shinra Tensei should easily be able to blow it away, even if the spikes are in motion.
4. Wood Release: Four-Pillar Prison Technique
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Asura path's missiles should be able to easily blow this up. Or the Preta Path can absorb it. OR Deva Path can just blow it away. No issue here.
5. Wood Release: Great Forest Technique
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A technique that transforms the arm into wood and extends it as maneuverable spikes. A deadly technique, though Nagato can easily counter it. Nagato can simply use the Preta Path on this technique to absorb it, or use the Asura Path to grab it with mechanical arms, as shown below:
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6. Wood Release: Smothering Binding Technique
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There are two counters to this. One is the simple Shinra Tensei to blow it away. Or Nagato can use the Preta Path to absorb all the Ninjutsu around him, as shown:
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7. Wood Release: Wood Locking Wall
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This is a defensive jutsu that doesn't really pose much of a threat to Nagato. He can easily blow it up using his Asura Path, and that's only one option. This is what Nagato can do to this jutsu to blow it up:
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8. Wood Release: Jukai Koutan
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Nagato has a couple of counters to this. One is he can absorb only the wood in his vicinity, so as to remove any nearby threat. OR he can use the Asura Path and fire missiles everywhere to counter and stop the wood. Or he can simply use Shinra Tensei and send everything flying away from him.
9. Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees
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This technique poses a decent threat to Nagato. But, as shown, it can be avoided by flying up and away from it, as shown by the Kages floating up above it, through Gaara's sand. Also, as long as it isn't inhaled, it'll have no effect on a floating Nagato, and we all know the Deva Path can fly, letting Nagato avoid this technique. Then, he can just use Shinra Tensei from the air to get rid of all of it:
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10. Healing without handsigns
A good move indeed. But Hashirama was still bloodied and exhausted after his fight with Madara, showing that he can't completely heal anything. So a Chibaku Tensei, Asura Path missiles, or any other destructive technique (Nagato has all elements) can easily damage Hashirama by a good amount.
2. Nagato's techniques that can give Hashirama trouble
Now I'll be listing all of the techniques that can easily Give Hashirama a lot of trouble:
1. Deva Path - Using Shinra Tensei and Bansho Ten'in, Nagato can easily screw with Hashirama. He can repel any attack sent at him, and even use Shinra Tensei to attack Hashirama, and then use Banso Ten'in to throw him off balance or bring Hashirama towards him, so he can stab him:
Shinra Tensei
Bansho Ten'in
2. Asura Path - With its mechanical arms and missiles, Hashirama's wood can easily be blown away, and Hashirama can easily be injured. Hashirama will have to constantly be avoiding missiles and what not, giving him a hard time. And if he gets near Nagato (Bansho Ten'in), Nagato can subdue him with mechanical arms:
Asura Path
3. Preta Path - Nagato can just absorb any Ninjutsu (Doton, Suiton, Mokuton) thrown at him. This will give Hashirama a lot of trouble with trying to injure Nagato. And Nagato will be able to pretty much avoid any Ninjutsu with it.
Preta Path
4. Human Path - Nagato can remove Hashirama's soul. All he has to do is subdue him with a summon or Deva + Asura Path, and then rip out his soul. This will keep Hashirama very edgy and keep him on the defense.
Human Path
5. Animal Path - Summons that can cause a lot of damage and also give Nagato shared vision, letting him easily see and avoid most of Hashirama's attacks. They can also go on the offensive, preoccupying Hashirama while Nagato goes to work.
Animal Path (some summons)
6. All Nature Transformations - Nagato mastered all elemental transformations. Fire and Wind together can do decent damage to Mokuton. Any combination, or any Ninjutsu, can be trouble to anyone. And with mastery on all elements, Nagato will be a lot of trouble for Hashirama.
7. Chibaku Tensei - This is a HUGE issue for Hashirama. Hashirama will be dragged towards the center and crushed by the gravity and continuous rocks flowing in. Hashirama essentially has no counter to this technique. The only way Hashirama can counter it is if he has a technique as powerful as a Rasen Shuriken, TBB, and Yasaka Magatama all together. And he'd still need a decent footing to use it.
Chibaku Tensei
1. Deva Path - Using Shinra Tensei and Bansho Ten'in, Nagato can easily screw with Hashirama. He can repel any attack sent at him, and even use Shinra Tensei to attack Hashirama, and then use Banso Ten'in to throw him off balance or bring Hashirama towards him, so he can stab him:
Shinra Tensei
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Bansho Ten'in
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2. Asura Path - With its mechanical arms and missiles, Hashirama's wood can easily be blown away, and Hashirama can easily be injured. Hashirama will have to constantly be avoiding missiles and what not, giving him a hard time. And if he gets near Nagato (Bansho Ten'in), Nagato can subdue him with mechanical arms:
Asura Path
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3. Preta Path - Nagato can just absorb any Ninjutsu (Doton, Suiton, Mokuton) thrown at him. This will give Hashirama a lot of trouble with trying to injure Nagato. And Nagato will be able to pretty much avoid any Ninjutsu with it.
Preta Path
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4. Human Path - Nagato can remove Hashirama's soul. All he has to do is subdue him with a summon or Deva + Asura Path, and then rip out his soul. This will keep Hashirama very edgy and keep him on the defense.
Human Path
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5. Animal Path - Summons that can cause a lot of damage and also give Nagato shared vision, letting him easily see and avoid most of Hashirama's attacks. They can also go on the offensive, preoccupying Hashirama while Nagato goes to work.
Animal Path (some summons)
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6. All Nature Transformations - Nagato mastered all elemental transformations. Fire and Wind together can do decent damage to Mokuton. Any combination, or any Ninjutsu, can be trouble to anyone. And with mastery on all elements, Nagato will be a lot of trouble for Hashirama.
7. Chibaku Tensei - This is a HUGE issue for Hashirama. Hashirama will be dragged towards the center and crushed by the gravity and continuous rocks flowing in. Hashirama essentially has no counter to this technique. The only way Hashirama can counter it is if he has a technique as powerful as a Rasen Shuriken, TBB, and Yasaka Magatama all together. And he'd still need a decent footing to use it.
Chibaku Tensei
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3. The Controversial Bringer of Darkness (B.O.D.)
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Admittedly, this is a tough technique to counter. Nagato may possibly be able to get his summons to transfer chakra into him to negate the Genjutsu, but I'm not sure on that.
But there is a weakness to B.O.D:
"Although it negates sight, it does not stop the other senses."
Nagato can spam Asura Path missiles and hope for a hit on Hashirama, though this also a tough one. So he can spam Shinra Tensei to keep Hashirama away from him, so he can use a Chibaku Tensei, sending Hashirama into the air. This will essentially keep Hashirama away from him, and possibly disable the Genjutsu. From there, Nagato can let CB crush Hashirama, or kill him with the Asura Path.
OR Nagato can send a flying summon out of the Genjutsu, giving Nagato sight through it.
So in conclusion, as of now, Nagato can defeat Hashirama because there are counters to all of Hashirama's shown techniques. Hashirama simply cannot defeat a skilled Rinnegan user such as Nagato. Thank you for reading.
tl;dr: Nagato's Preta Path can absorb Hashirama's Mokuton and other Ninjutsu. Deva Path can blow away his techniques, and also send Hashirama reeling in towards him. Asura Path can cause destructive damage everywhere, and can also be a possible counter to B.O.D. Animal Path summons can give Nagato a wide range of vision to avoid Hashirama's techniques, and also let him cause some damage through them. Nagato's Chibaku Tensei can pretty much end Hashirama.
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