A Correct Power Analysis. I.

[Waltz]

So....NarutoBase...

The evident confusion among the populace regarding 'who is stronger than who' is solely because majority fail's to have a conceptualization of how the power of the fruit was dispersed among certain characters and to mentally whisk the true potential of certain characters. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki ate of the power of the Shinju, its fruit and executed it's power via Dōjutsu; as Ninjutsu was non-existent at that time.This 'Fruit' contains an uncontaminated mass of energy.

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The power Kaguya executed is that of the Shinju complete. Here we see the

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utilizing

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Tenpen-Chii. Hagoromo being born with the Rin'negan denotes that in childbirth, Kaguya's offspring also inherited some portion of the fruit's power. Hagoromo did not receive the Jūbi's Rin'negan because it was lacking in composition. The lacking portion is what was inherited by his brother. Originally the Rin'negan comprized of the Sharingan and it's abilities. This is the original Rin'negan: [

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The power Hagoromo executed after sealing the Jūbi is that of an incomplete Shinju; in that it lacked whatever power his brother would have inherited. Hagoromo then used this power to create with Banbutsu Sozo and more importantly, he

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among human beings in an attempt to establish peace through Ninshū. It is later reviled that Ashura and Indra also inherited portion's of this power. The power of the Shinju then becomes even more distant to that of it's original form: The fruit.

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The Power Madara currently executes is lacking as opposed to Hagoromo on two accounts. Firstly, regarding 'Senju DNA' and 'Uchiha DNA' his genetics are lacking in potency as Hagoromo's gene's gave birth to what is displayed in his dichotomy: The power of Indra and his descendants as well as the power of Ashura and his descendants. Lastly, the power of the Shinju which he currently wields is lacking, in that, between the era of Hagoromo and the current era; Chakra has been spread, taught and acquired globally. There are more individual's currently utilizing Than in the days of the Sennin.

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Naruto surpasses Ashura solely because complied upon receiving Hagoromo's body, stamina and physical energy he is aided by the Bijū. Ashura however is more potent genetically as the Senju are descended from him.

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Sasuke likewise surpasses Indra because firstly; like Madara, has merged apart of Ashura's chakra with himself. That is Hashirama's genetic material and Chakra which potentially enables him to utilize his abilities. Secondly, unlike Indra, Sasuke now has a complete Dōjutsu. The 'modern day' Sharingan is a secondary consequence of the Rin'negan being deprived of Yoton.

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. It is the same reason why Hagoromo did not inherit the Jūbi's Rin'negan. and lastly because his body can be fixated with Senjutsu in that he could potentially acquire Sennin modo. Which makes Sauce potentially stronger than Naruto, currently.​

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[Urda]

Iffy about it. I agree to some extent. However, one I took notice of very quickly:

The lacking portion is what was inherited by his brother.

We do not know what he inherited so that should not be in your analysis.

 

[Waltz]

Iffy about it. I agree to some extent. However, one I took notice of very quickly:



We do not know what he inherited so that should not be in your analysis.

It exist's, however.​

 

[ANiMUS]

Nice +rep though I am not so sure on the current > Naruto part or Sasuke utilizing senjutsu

The Nine tomoe sharingan could very poosibly utilize senjutsu seeing how translated it means heaven's eye and the Juubi was seen as able to manipulate the skies with Teppen chii

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Good read. I agree that we still need more development on the other brother and Kaguya though.
+rep

 

[Wolfus]

Sasuke is not stronger than naruto. They are being portrated as halves. The very concept of "half" is that they're equals.

Another thing is: I highly doubt sasuke has acess to sage mode. Despite having a part of juugo's body, he cannot wield natural energy, as seen in the battle with juubito. In fact, he would still have to learn to control it, despite being able to absorb it. He could, potentially, enter SM, after training for it? Yes, as hid body accepted juugo and the cursed mark. However, that training is required.
The only thing he would be able to do is to use a very small portion of senjutsu, just like madara. But not even that he seemed to be able to do.

I agree, or understand the rest.

 

[LeSauce]

I like it.

 

[Waltz]

Sasuke is not stronger than naruto. They are being portrated as halves. The very concept of "half" is that they're equals.

Another thing is: I highly doubt sasuke has acess to sage mode. Despite having a part of juugo's body, he cannot wield natural energy, as seen in the battle with juubito. In fact, he would still have to learn to control it, despite being able to absorb it. He could, potentially, enter SM, after training for it? Yes, as hid body accepted juugo and the cursed mark. However, that training is required.
The only thing he would be able to do is to use a very small portion of senjutsu, just like madara. But not even that he seemed to be able to do.

I agree, or understand the rest.

Equals...?

The entire Yin-Yang concept was unbalanced the moment we saw Ashura besting his brother. One of Hagoromo's sons unconsciously inherited more than the other; it is the reason why Hagoromo had a 'favorite'. Regarding Senjutsu, read below. ​

Nice +rep though I am not so sure on the current > Naruto part or Sasuke utilizing senjutsu

The Nine tomoe sharingan could very poosibly utilize senjutsu seeing how translated it means heaven's eye and the Juubi was seen as able to manipulate the skies with Teppen chii

No need to speculate, Shiro. As the Kage summit exposed that Jugo's ability to absorb Natural energy is a doubtlessly similar biological function as Hashirama absorbing Natural energy through Mokuton; it was a foundation later built upon after we witnessed

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. The effects brought about were easily observed as the Zetsu spores within Sasuke's body grew to maximum extent.

It would make Jūgo no longer necessary.

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[Gagster]

You spent a lot of time on a wank thread.

 

[Waltz]

...Okay?..​

 

[Amaterasuice]

I agree. Though, Naruto and Sasuke would be halves. If Sasuke gets dsm, Naruto gets mokuton or something.

 

[shelke]

Expand more in regards to the Doujtusu potential, as it's the Juubi's eye inherited by Kaguya, which makes it the Protoplast Eye. As Sasuke possesses it, there are no limits to his power. I mostly agree. Good thread. I cannot + rep you at the moment though.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Which makes Sauce potentially stronger than Naruto, currently.

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Oh boy... Open the flood gates.
Also, you side like a pretentious douche. Good thread though.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Nice post, agreed.

 

[Draphsin]

Good analysis, although I don't think sasuke acquiring sage mode would make him stronger than naruto.

 

[Wolfus]

Equals...?

The entire Yin-Yang concept was unbalanced the moment we saw Ashura besting his brother. One of Hagoromo's sons unconsciously inherited more than the other; it is the reason why Hagoromo had a 'favorite'. Regarding Senjutsu, read below. ​

No need to speculate, Shiro. As the Kage summit exposed that Jugo's ability to absorb Natural energy is a doubtlessly similar biological function as Hashirama absorbing Natural energy through Mokuton; it was a foundation later built upon after we witnessed

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. The effects brought about were easily observed as the Zetsu spores within Sasuke's body grew to maximum extent.

It would make Jūgo no longer necessary.

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I'm sorry, but I really don't recall ashura besting his brother. But I'm talking about the way naruto and sasuke are being portrated now. You can clearly see, by rikudou's meeting and naruto's words, that they are being portrated as halves of the same power. As halves, they are equals. It's not simply because they are reincarnations of indra and ashura. I wouldn't defend the "equality" thing just because of this. In fact, I was against it until now.

For the senjutsu, you're not getting my point. The scan you showed first perfectly what I said: sasuke is able to take and to adapt to senjutsu chakra, as proven by his senjutsu susanoo and the fact that he adapted to the cursed seal.
However, even having a part of juugo's body, he isn't able to do it on his own. Juugo's body is able to absorb natural energy, that's a fact. But sasuke being able to perfectly control and balance that energy, that is another thing. The thing about the cursed seal is that the user didn't need to balance the natural energy with his chakra. The seal seemed to do that alone. However, that step is required for one to acess sage mode. This step is a step isn't prepared for. This is why he needed juugo in his battle with juubito. Because he isn't able to acess SM on his own. He never trained to control natural energy, even though his body can adapt to it. If he trained, he would be able to acess it. But currently, he can't.
If you're talking about hashi's cells, then that won't help him. The portion he received couldn't possibilly be larger than the part of his body juugo healed. Besides, it goes through the same problem I explained.

He would be, however, able to acess a small SM, like madara did, But that would his limit, for now.

 

[Flakez]

So all in all, this is a Sasuke > Naruto thread with good grammar? Meh. Uchiha wanking is too damn high.

 

[Waltz]

I'm sorry, but I really don't recall ashura besting his brother. But I'm talking about the way naruto and sasuke are being portrated now. You can clearly see, by rikudou's meeting and naruto's words, that they are being portrated as halves of the same power. As halves, they are equals. It's not simply because they are reincarnations of indra and ashura. I wouldn't defend the "equality" thing just because of this. In fact, I was against it until now.

For the senjutsu, you're not getting my point. The scan you showed first perfectly what I said: sasuke is able to take and to adapt to senjutsu chakra, as proven by his senjutsu susanoo and the fact that he adapted to the cursed seal.
However, even having a part of juugo's body, he isn't able to do it on his own. Juugo's body is able to absorb natural energy, that's a fact. But sasuke being able to perfectly control and balance that energy, that is another thing. The thing about the cursed seal is that the user didn't need to balance the natural energy with his chakra. The seal seemed to do that alone. However, that step is required for one to acess sage mode. This step is a step isn't prepared for. This is why he needed juugo in his battle with juubito. Because he isn't able to acess SM on his own. He never trained to control natural energy, even though his body can adapt to it. If he trained, he would be able to acess it. But currently, he can't.
If you're talking about hashi's cells, then that won't help him. The portion he received couldn't possibilly be larger than the part of his body juugo healed. Besides, it goes through the same problem I explained.

He would be, however, able to acess a small SM, like madara did, But that would his limit, for now.

Even if the power power Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke were of an equal portion it doesn't deny the fact that they have their own personal power unto which it was added. Before Hagoromo gave Sasuke Indra's inheritance he already had Senju DNA [Yoton] being fueled into his body; something Indra did not possess.

Regarding Senjutsu you're forgetting that Sasuke now has Hashirama's DNA which can be used to gather Natural energy; also to be used as the medium to perfectly balance Natural energy with his Physical and Spiritual energies----essentially replicating Madara. We've already seen that he can channel this energy through his Mangekyo techniques and it is in this regard that he surpasses Madara. ​

Expand more in regards to the Doujtusu potential, as it's the Juubi's eye inherited by Kaguya, which makes it the Protoplast Eye. As Sasuke possesses it, there are no limits to his power. I mostly agree. Good thread. I cannot + rep you at the moment though.

Hmmm...

My thought's are that it's an overlapping of Doujutsu. Sasuke may be able to jointly use Rin'negan and Sharingan abilities and/or entirely display each Doujutu's abilities through abilities of the other. Allowing Susano'o to use Shinra-Tenesi would be an example. ​

Good analysis, although I don't think sasuke acquiring sage mode would make him stronger than naruto.

"What happens when he decides amplifies his Doujutsu with it?" <- is the obstacle that prevents me from seeing how Naruto could possibly be potentially stronger. ​

So all in all, this is a Sasuke > Naruto thread with good grammar? Meh. Uchiha wanking is too damn high.

Actually...tunneled visioned individuals such as yourself are too damn high. My thought's and what Canon has supplied on Sasuke still remains. Convince me differently, if you have the intellect to do so. ​

 

[Bronze]

I have a question regarding this matter.

Hagoromo mentions his mother's dojutsu is the Sharingan [

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]. He however, doesn't say its Rinnegan. But, in this scan [

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], Madara says Sasuke has Rinnegan, even though it looks the Juubi's eyes and Kaguya's (which according to Hagoromo is Sharingan).

Isn't this contradictory?

 

[Waltz]

I have a question regarding this matter.

Hagoromo mentions his mother's dojutsu is the Sharingan [

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]. He however, doesn't say its Rinnegan. But, in this scan [

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], Madara says Sasuke has Rinnegan, even though it looks the Juubi's eyes and Kaguya's (which according to Hagoromo is Sharingan).

Isn't this contradictory?

Not if the Rin'negan and Sharingan were originally the same Dōjutsu...which so happens to be the case. ​