A concise but sound reason as to why Naruto ended horribly

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Throughout this entire story, Naruto, this child of prophecy (much like any child of prophecy in various fictional mythos) was supposed to bring change to entire ninja world.

However, what we see in 700 is that ninjas still exist. This is what bothers me. Throughout the entire story, it was constantly referenced that Naruto was here to do something to the Shinobi world that has never been done. We were led to believe that this thing was to eliminate the entire need for Shinobi at all.

Ok so he United the 5 countries, this is very commendable but then if they're united, ytf is there still a shinobi system AND a ninja academy?

Each Hokage has done something worthy during their reign and because of that, Naruto for the most part, looks like just another Hokage who's noteworthy action was uniting the 5 countries.

At the end of the day, he wasn't really that special at all. No more so than Hashirama at least.

This makes bad storytelling because he had this unprecedented amount of hype and potential which he never really lived up to. For all this Sasuke as Hokage would've been much more impactful at least from a storytelling perspective and it would've justified why we still would've needed Shinobi.

Then again....... The prophecy never said Naruto was supposed to eradicate the ninja system or change the world it simply said he was going to befriend the tailed beasts.

Somehow, I don't think this ended supports Jaraiyas vision at all

TL;DR- Naruto didn't do anything special and just became another notable Hokage. Sasukes vision would've been a more interesting story and would've justified a ninja system.

This future isn't really what Jaraiya hoped for

 

[LeSauce]

I've said this before. Naruto failed his supposed most important goal that was present through the entirety of Shippuden; he failed to get rid of the cycle of hatred and bring permanent peace and therefore proved that Ashura's ways are wrong.

Also, the villages aren't united, they're still separate as seen by the Kages.

 

[southern sun]

Another Sauce fappers.

 

[Gerkak]

Sasuke's rain would have been filled with pain,misery, and fear. Naruto might not have done as much as his hype suggested but sasuke's goal would have been no different from the cliche I will rule the world with an iron fist that many fictional and real world villains have done in the past. There is nothing interesting at all about both his and naruto's plans. Pain, madara and obito's plans made much more sense than sasuke's.

 

[The Western Wheel]

I would have concluded it by giving all chakra back to the Shinju.

No more shinobis. No more curse of hatred.

Back to sticks and stones.

 

[Gerkak]

I would have concluded it by giving all chakra back to the Shinju.

No more shinobis. No more curse of hatred.

Back to sticks and stones.

The fighting was worse before even chakra came to humans. Taking away chakra won't solve anything

 

[hixa kuogame]

Throughout this entire story, Naruto, this child of prophecy (much like any child of prophecy in various fictional mythos) was supposed to bring change to entire ninja world.

However, what we see in 700 is that ninjas still exist. This is what bothers me. Throughout the entire story, it was constantly referenced that Naruto was here to do something to the Shinobi world that has never been done. We were led to believe that this thing was to eliminate the entire need for Shinobi at all.

Ok so he United the 5 countries, this is very commendable but then if they're united, ytf is there still a shinobi system AND a ninja academy?

Each Hokage has done something worthy during their reign and because of that, Naruto for the most part, looks like just another Hokage who's noteworthy action was uniting the 5 countries.

At the end of the day, he wasn't really that special at all. No more so than Hashirama at least.

This makes bad storytelling because he had this unprecedented amount of hype and potential which he never really lived up to. For all this Sasuke as Hokage would've been much more impactful at least from a storytelling perspective and it would've justified why we still would've needed Shinobi.

Then again....... The prophecy never said Naruto was supposed to eradicate the ninja system or change the world it simply said he was going to befriend the tailed beasts.

Somehow, I don't think this ended supports Jaraiyas vision at all

TL;DR- Naruto didn't do anything special and just became another notable Hokage. Sasukes vision would've been a more interesting story and would've justified a ninja system.

This future isn't really what Jaraiya hoped for

I'm trying not to question your intelligence, but really?

You find the ending bad because there are still ninjas? It's a manga about ninjas. I'm sorry the core theme of the show wasn't removed for you.
There's probably over half a billion people in the Narutoverse. Do you honestly expect all grudges and all crime to disappear? What if there's a radical like Toneri who comes out of no where eho decides to attack the leaf and there isn't anyone who can combat him?
If the world became a comepletely peacedul place and there wasn't a spur of violence in 10 years would you simply disperse your military? Honestly your post is stupid as shit

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

I've said this before. Naruto failed his supposed most important goal that was present through the entirety of Shippuden; he failed to get rid of the cycle of hatred and bring permanent peace and therefore proved that Ashura's ways are wrong.

Also,villages aren't united, they're still separate as seen by the Kages.

The villages are united.
What do you expect, only have one person have control of all those villages?
You're going to need still leaders that will help keep that order of peace.

And yes Naruto did accomplished his goal. As TenTen stated that she can't sell any weapons cause everything was too peacefull.

Plus the ninja system is still around just in case something was to break that peace.
And fighting with out killing is another way to take out any stress,etc or hard feelings without the need of starting wars. It's more of a sport like UFC,but with chakra.


So again,there's peace and naruto was the one that helped made it happen.
Don't see a reason to complain about it.

 

[LeSauce]

Sasuke's rain would have been filled with pain,misery, and fear. Naruto might not have done as much as his hype suggested but sasuke's goal would have been no different from the cliche I will rule the world with an iron fist that many fictional and real world villains have done in the past. There is nothing interesting at all about both his and naruto's plans. Pain, madara and obito's plans made much more sense than sasuke's.

Sasuke wanted to be Batman.

@Wasteland society.

All of the villages are separate. Had they not been, they would be under one system, like they did with the SA. There they were together and had various leaders working together.

They have momentary peace, we know this because Naruto did nothing for the villages, Hashirama made momentary peace too.

This ninja system is what caused all the problems. The results aren't going to change as you suggest unless the system changes.

Again, it's simply momentary peace, after Naruto dies it's going on a downward spiral.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

If I had special powers, I doubt I would willingly give them up or not use them ever again.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

I'm trying not to question your intelligence, but really?

You find the ending bad because there are still ninjas? It's a manga about ninjas. I'm sorry the core theme of the show wasn't removed for you.
There's probably over half a billion people in the Narutoverse. Do you honestly expect all grudges and all crime to disappear? What if there's a radical like Toneri who comes out of no where eho decides to attack the leaf and there isn't anyone who can combat him?
If the world became a comepletely peacedul place and there wasn't a spur of violence in 10 years would you simply disperse your military? Honestly your post is stupid as shit

You quoted the entire OP and didn't grasp not one iota of important info from it. impressive

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Throughout this entire story, Naruto, this child of prophecy (much like any child of prophecy in various fictional mythos) was supposed to bring change to entire ninja world.

However, what we see in 700 is that ninjas still exist. This is what bothers me. Throughout the entire story, it was constantly referenced that Naruto was here to do something to the Shinobi world that has never been done. We were led to believe that this thing was to eliminate the entire need for Shinobi at all.

Ok so he United the 5 countries, this is very commendable but then if they're united, ytf is there still a shinobi system AND a ninja academy?

Each Hokage has done something worthy during their reign and because of that, Naruto for the most part, looks like just another Hokage who's noteworthy action was uniting the 5 countries.

At the end of the day, he wasn't really that special at all. No more so than Hashirama at least.

This makes bad storytelling because he had this unprecedented amount of hype and potential which he never really lived up to. For all this Sasuke as Hokage would've been much more impactful at least from a storytelling perspective and it would've justified why we still would've needed Shinobi.

Then again....... The prophecy never said Naruto was supposed to eradicate the ninja system or change the world it simply said he was going to befriend the tailed beasts.

Somehow, I don't think this ended supports Jaraiyas vision at all

TL;DR- Naruto didn't do anything special and just became another notable Hokage. Sasukes vision would've been a more interesting story and would've justified a ninja system.

This future isn't really what Jaraiya hoped for

Unfortunately, Jiraiya was wrong. Well, to an extent. You cannot completely abolish conflict as it is part of the human condition being that we are all individuals with different minds, personalities and ideals. It existed even before Kaguya arrived a thousand years ago. Furthermore, the shinobi are at the core of the world's cultural values, in peacetime or war. You cannot completely change an entire society over night like that, especially one that has followed those principles for a thousand years. It would be like stopping the use of oil or banning or "just stopping" all religious practices over night lols.

All the same, it would appear throughout the timeskip they further developed their technology and probably became more of a melting pot judging by the computers and skyscrapers. That's a major sign of developing or developed countries. However, Naruto's goal was to become Hokage. The Hokage is the fire shadow, the leader of the leaf shinobi. What would the purpose of a hokage be if there were no shinobi? Would the nations survive conflict from other nations or continents if they no longer had their shinobi to protect them, same as a military protecting it's country from foreign invaders as well as helping allies in need out?

And actually, Naruto did make a change. A HUGE change. He befriended the bijuus, once the greatest instruments of conflict and gave them freedom rather than enslavement. According to Madara and Kakashi, he had become the hero of the war and kept the alliance's morale together in the final battle. He also saved all of their lives, just like Hashirama and Itachi. In the time he has been Hokage, all the villages have been on peaceful terms it would seem.

The series is also not yet over as we still have the film and mini series.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Unfortunately, Jiraiya was wrong. Well, to an extent. You cannot completely abolish conflict as it is part of the human condition being that we are all individuals with different minds, personalities and ideals. Furthermore, the shinobi are at the core of the world's cultural values, in peacetime or war. You cannot completely change an entire society over night like that, especially one that has followed those principles for a thousand years. It would be like stopping the use of oil or banning or "just stopping" all religious practices over night lols. All the same, it would appear throughout the timeskip they further developed their technology and probably became more of a melting pot judging by the computers and skyscrapers. That's a major sign of developing or developed countries. However, Naruto's goal was to become Hokage. The Hokage is the fire shadow, the leader of the leaf shinobi. What would the purpose of a hokage be if there were no shinobi? Would the nations survive conflict from other nations or continents if they no longer had their shinobi to protect them, same as a military protecting it's country from foreign invaders as well as helping allies in need out?

This is the question that always bothered me. Why was Naruto so adamant about changing the cycle of hatred if he always wanted to be the leader of a system which exacerbated hatred? It's an inherently flawed concept. Maybe kishi didn't think it thru

 

[LeSauce]

Unfortunately, Jiraiya was wrong. Well, to an extent. You cannot completely abolish conflict as it is part of the human condition being that we are all individuals with different minds, personalities and ideals. Furthermore, the shinobi are at the core of the world's cultural values, in peacetime or war. You cannot completely change an entire society over night like that, especially one that has followed those principles for a thousand years. It would be like stopping the use of oil or banning or "just stopping" all religious practices over night lols. All the same, it would appear throughout the timeskip they further developed their technology and probably became more of a melting pot judging by the computers and skyscrapers. That's a major sign of developing or developed countries. However, Naruto's goal was to become Hokage. The Hokage is the fire shadow, the leader of the leaf shinobi. What would the purpose of a hokage be if there were no shinobi? Would the nations survive conflict from other nations or continents if they no longer had their shinobi to protect them, same as a military protecting it's country from foreign invaders as well as helping allies in need out?

I'm pretty sure most thought that it was unrealistic and unrelatable, that's actually part of the reason I disliked Naruto. However, you can't change that that was Naruto's goal and that's what he was supposed to do. Kishi basically told us that in NV this bs would be possible, and then turned right around and doesn't do anything about it, haha.

Also, the people could travel between villages since before this and there was already advanced technology.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

This is the question that always bothered me. Why was Naruto so adamant about changing the cycle of hatred if he always wanted to be the leader of a system which exacerbated hatred?

Because in order to make such a change, one must first be at the top and acknowledged by everyone.

It's an inherently flawed concept. Maybe kishi didn't think it thru

Of course it's flawed. If it weren't they'd all be soulless white zetsus. Infinite Tsukuyomi was inspired by the matrix. You recall what smith said about the first matrix? It was a disaster because everyone went crazy from no conflict, no ideals, individuality. Nothing. People aren't robots. Hell, even robots are developing personalities now lols. Perhaps I should say people are not soulless dolls, but living, breathing, organic, imperfect, thinking homo sabiens.

I'm pretty sure most thought that it was unrealistic and unrelatable, that's actually part of the reason I disliked Naruto. However, you can't change that that was Naruto's goal and that's what he was supposed to do. Kishi basically told us that in NV this bs would be possible, and then turned right around and doesn't do anything about it, haha.

Also, the people could travel between villages since before this and there was already advanced technology.

Unfortunately, I care little for what other people think and I don't suggest generalizing everyone lols. It's very narrow and shallow. I believe it was very realistic and relateable. The entire shinobi alliance united under one banner regardless of their differences and Naruto has kept that peace intact as well as befriended and given the bijuus freedom. How is that not doing anything about it? I'm well aware there was technology, but there was never before shown any skyscrapers or computers and Kishimoto put heavy focus on them int he final chapter.

And no, Naruto dying does not mean it will go down a spiral. It means the generation he gave birth to and taught will carry in his footsteps just as all the Hokages followed in each others' footsteps.

And once again, the conflict was not caused by shinobi. It is the human condition that existed before Kaguya even arrived.

 

[LeSauce]

Because in order to make such a change, one must first be at the top and acknowledged by everyone.



Of course it's flawed. If it weren't they'd all be soulless white zetsus. Infinite Tsukuyomi was inspired by the matrix. You recall what smith said about the first matrix? It was a disaster because everyone went crazy from no conflict, no ideals, individuality. Nothing. People aren't robots. Hell, even robots are developing personalities now lols. Perhaps I should say people are not soulless dolls, but living, breathing, organic, imperfect, thinking homo sabiens.



Unfortunately, I care little for what other people think and I don't suggest generalizing everyone lols. It's very narrow and shallow. I believe it was very realistic and relateable. The entire shinobi alliance united under one banner regardless of their differences and Naruto has kept that peace intact as well as befriended and given the bijuus freedom. How is that not doing anything about it? I'm well aware there was technology, but there was never before shown any skyscrapers or computers and Kishimoto put heavy focus on them int he final chapter.

I didn't generalize, a lot of people thought it was unrealistic, I guess relatable mat be different. You wrote half a paragraph as to why it's not realistic though? I guess I assumed, my bad. Anyway, the Shinobi system looks to be the same as before, Kages are still in reign for their separate village. It would have been different if they actually kept the whole SA thing.

Also, what you're talking about is mearly momentary peace. Right now, everyone know what Naruto did, most of the Kages even fought with him, so ofcourse they would keep peace. The problem is the lack of change in the system which had already failed.

Peins village already had skyscrapers and computers could have alrwady been there for all we know, Televisions were.

And the whole following in ones footsteps, that's exactly what led to the wars. Hashirama's will of fire should have ended up in peace by your logic. You can't change the outcomw of something that already failed.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I didn't generalize, a lot of people thought it was unrealistic,

"A lot" is a generalization with nothing to support it and you didn't say a lot, you said most lols.

I guess relatable mat be different. You wrote half a paragraph as to why it's not realistic though?

No, I said it IS realistic, for me.

Anyway, the Shinobi system looks to be the same as before, Kages are still in reign for their separate village. It would have been different if they actually kept the whole SA thing.

Like I said, cultural values. Perhaps many disliked the idea of a melting pot and wished to keep their civilizations separate so as not to lose the line and values of their people. Is that really so "unrealistic?" Yes, the Indians of my country have created a separate nations for themselves to preserve their people and values. Are they attempting to blow us to hell and back? Nope, they're people of nature and live in peace.

Also, what you're talking about is mearly momentary peace.

..And your point is? I already wrote a reply explaining conflict is the human condition due to our individuality. If we all held hands and sang koom by ya, we'd be as soulless as the white zetsus who were all the same, unintelligent errand boys.

Right now, everyone know what Naruto did, most of the Kages even fought with him, so ofcourse they would keep peace. The problem is the lack of change in the system which had already failed.

The bijuus were a large portion of that system and now they are no longer imprisoned or at odds with people. The development of technology also tends to lessen conflict and societies as they begin to focus more on engineering and science over vendettas and religion. And technically, the system never did fail because they united to fight the ultimate nemesis and are still there to actually be able to have their individuality and conflicts, otherwise they'd be soulless white zetsus used as toy soldiers for Kaguya right now.

Peins village already had skyscrapers and computers could have alrwady been there for all we know, Televisions were.

Could have been or could not have been. The Hidden Rain's buildings were few in number and primitive, made mostly of wires and piping as well as small. The skyscrapers in the final chapter look like New York city lols. Television was invented like sixty or seventy

And the whole following in ones footsteps, that's exactly what led to the wars.

And saved the world.

Hashirama's will of fire should have ended up in peace by your logic.

For twenty to thirty years, it was.

You can't change the outcomw of something that already failed.

It didn't fail and they did change it. I went from near last place to first place in my cross country races. You can't change something that failed...right...

 

[LeSauce]

"A lot" is a generalization with nothing to support it and you didn't say a lot, you said most lols.



No, I said it IS realistic, for me.



Like I said, cultural values. Perhaps many disliked the idea of a melting pot and wished to keep their civilizations separate so as not to lose the line and values of their people. Is that really so "unrealistic?" Yes, the Indians of my country have created a separate nations for themselves to preserve their people and values. Are they attempting to blow us to hell and back? Nope, they're people of nature and live in peace.



..And your point is? I already wrote a reply explaining conflict is the human condition due to our individuality. If we all held hands and sang koom by ya, we'd be as soulless as the white zetsus who were all the same, unintelligent errand boys.



The bijuus were a large portion of that system and now they are no longer imprisoned or at odds with people. The development of technology also tends to lessen conflict and societies as they begin to focus more on engineering and science over vendettas and religion. And technically, the system never did fail because they united to fight the ultimate nemesis and are still there to actually be able to have their individuality and conflicts, otherwise they'd be soulless white zetsus used as toy soldiers for Kaguya right now.



Could have been or could not have been. The Hidden Rain's buildings were few in number and primitive, made mostly of wires and piping as well as small. The skyscrapers in the final chapter look like New York city lols. Television was invented like sixty or seventy



And saved the world.



For twenty to thirty years, it was.



It didn't fail and they did change it. I went from near last place to first place in my cross country races. You can't change something that failed...right...

You contradict yourself, unless i'm not completely understanding what you're teying to say. You say that it is realistic then go on and say that it is impossible due to individuality, how is it realistic when it's not possible?

Does your country depend on killing other people for money? Is your country full of murderers? Does your country have separate govt. Between them?

You don't get it apparently, i'm mearly saying that Naruto won't bring peace the way he was supposed to, you're literally agreeing with me here.

There are skyscrapers, that's all that matters.

It's what caused the wars. Hashirama's system created Itachi, Nagato, Obito, and Sasuke.

OMG, exactly! It isn't permanent, that's the whole freaking point! No, you can't have it change if it's exactly the same.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Because in order to make such a change, one must first be at the top and acknowledged by everyone.



Of course it's flawed. If it weren't they'd all be soulless white zetsus. Infinite Tsukuyomi was inspired by the matrix. You recall what smith said about the first matrix? It was a disaster because everyone went crazy from no conflict, no ideals, individuality. Nothing. People aren't robots. Hell, even robots are developing personalities now lols. Perhaps I should say people are not soulless dolls, but living, breathing, organic, imperfect, thinking homo sabiens.



Unfortunately, I care little for what other people think and I don't suggest generalizing everyone lols. It's very narrow and shallow. I believe it was very realistic and relateable. The entire shinobi alliance united under one banner regardless of their differences and Naruto has kept that peace intact as well as befriended and given the bijuus freedom. How is that not doing anything about it? I'm well aware there was technology, but there was never before shown any skyscrapers or computers and Kishimoto put heavy focus on them int he final chapter.

And no, Naruto dying does not mean it will go down a spiral. It means the generation he gave birth to and taught will carry in his footsteps just as all the Hokages followed in each others' footsteps.

And once again, the conflict was not caused by shinobi. It is the human condition that existed before Kaguya even arrived.

Then instead of being Hokage, yknow... THE LEADER OF NINJA IN A VILLAGE he should've aimed for something higher than that.

That's like running for president and saying I wanna end war yet your job title is COMMANDER OF CHIEF OF THE US ARMY. It's oxymoronic