A CES user would have to have contact with a GF user in order to actually have impact

[KidGamer65]

Only this dumbass troll would argue that 5 clones of Madara are inferior to Neji, Hiashi or Hinata.

 

[TheEvilOne]

@KG, remember when you said don't feed the trolls?
Well, you've been feeding them the whole day. Can't say I haven't enjoyed it though.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KG, remember when you said don't feed the trolls?
Well, you've been feeding them the whole day. Can't say I haven't enjoyed it though.

I couldn't resist. Smh. Though I wasn't entirely sure if OP was a troll.

At least until now that is. :lol

 

[Reviewing Logic]

It's funny to watch you do mental gymnastics, jumping through hoop after hoop to try and argue that Hyuga are more dangerous and harder to overcome in close quarters than 5 Susanoo clones. Stop making all these stupid ass excuses you idiot. Them being bigger and them moving slower is irrelevant, because they are far beyond your favorites in every other facet of battle. Holding off the Gokage is a better feat than any Hyuga will ever have. The simple fact that they are Susanoo ends your shitty ass comparison.

-Madara playing around>Your favorites.
-Madara's clones>Your favorites.
-The clones were summoned in

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you moron. Those scans are from 588. Meaning the majority of the fight was off panel. Use your brain for once. As for the actual length of the off panel fight, it started when Itachi/Sasuke engaged Kabuto, and ended when Itachi put him in Izanami, meaning the whole Kabuto vs. Itachi/Sasuke fight is the amount of time the Gokage were fighting those clones.
-Susanoo is meant for offense in close quarters. THAT has been it's primary function. OFFENSE.

When any Hyuga shows feats that let them take on someone who can take on 5 Susanoo clones with her bare hands then we can advance this discussion. Until then, you have no point.

I'm going to copy and paste this post from now on if you want to keep repeating this trash.

I am not jumping from hoop to hoop

literally you can't even bother reading the OP first so I have to explain things bit by bit to you

then I have to explain to you what a Susanoo that doesn't dodge is compared to a CQC GF user that will dodge due to not being able to tank certain attacks



majority of the fight being off panel is the problem... the Susanoo's were still standing

they weren't dodging, they were bigger targets and on top of that they already harmed Tsunade

this was a tank vs tank battle were Tsunade was abusing 100 healing


again a CQC match against Hiashi who has better speed then Tsunade and is a GF master, on top of that with the byakugan can parry wrist to wrist as well as dodge as well as read were her CES move will come out of, as well as hit her chakra points and eventually seal here whole system which mean no more CES

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Only this dumbass troll would argue that 5 clones of Madara are inferior to Neji, Hiashi or Hinata.

Again actually read what I am saying

were those Susanoo's dodging or tanking attacks?

they are strong for another reason this comparison doesn't exist since it isn't in the same battle aka a CQC taijutsu match with dodging

 

[KidGamer65]

I am not jumping from hoop to hoop

literally you can't even bother reading the OP first so I have to explain things bit by bit to you

then I have to explain to you what a Susanoo that doesn't dodge is compared to a CQC GF user that will dodge due to not being able to tank certain attacks



majority of the fight being off panel is the problem... the Susanoo's were still standing

they weren't dodging, they were bigger targets and on top of that they already harmed Tsunade

this was a tank vs tank battle were Tsunade was abusing 100 healing


again a CQC match against Hiashi who has better speed then Tsunade and is a GF master, on top of that with the byakugan can parry wrist to wrist as well as dodge as well as read were her CES move will come out of, as well as hit her chakra points and eventually seal here whole system which mean no more CES

Them being bigger and them moving slower is irrelevant, because they are far beyond your favorites in every other facet of battle. Holding off the Gokage is a better feat than any Hyuga will ever have. The simple fact that they are Susanoo ends your shitty ass comparison.

-Madara playing around>Your favorites.
-Madara's clones>Your favorites.

Again actually read what I am saying

were those Susanoo's dodging or tanking attacks?

they are strong for another reason this comparison doesn't exist since it isn't in the same battle aka a CQC taijutsu match with dodging

It's funny to watch you do mental gymnastics, jumping through hoop after hoop to try and argue that Hyuga are more dangerous and harder to overcome in close quarters than 5 Susanoo clones. Stop making all these stupid ass excuses you idiot. Them being bigger and them moving slower is irrelevant, because they are far beyond your favorites in every other facet of battle. Holding off the Gokage is a better feat than any Hyuga will ever have. The simple fact that they are Susanoo ends your shitty ass comparison.

-Madara playing around>Your favorites.
-Madara's clones>Your favorites.
-The clones were summoned in chapter 578 you moron. Those scans are from 588. Meaning the majority of the fight was off panel. Use your brain for once. As for the actual length of the off panel fight, it started when Itachi/Sasuke engaged Kabuto, and ended when Itachi put him in Izanami, meaning the whole Kabuto vs. Itachi/Sasuke fight is the amount of time the Gokage were fighting those clones.
-Susanoo is meant for offense in close quarters. THAT has been it's primary function. OFFENSE.

When any Hyuga shows feats that let them take on someone who can take on 5 Susanoo clones with her bare hands then we can advance this discussion. Until then, you have no point.

I'm going to copy and paste this post from now on if you want to keep repeating this trash.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

actually show me in that fight how Tsunade was good at dodging things in CQC

or how she can parry things in CQC without getting hit

or even a Susanoo dodging and not being a big huge target which is easier to hit

 

[Reviewing Logic]

the only thing that is irrlevant is you comparing this fight as if it is something that could be used in a CQC taijutsu battle

her tanking Susanoo hits... great do that with GF strikes I dare you

a Susanoo lunking around and not dodging... great I doubt Hiashi would just stay still in CQC



a different fight isn't a measurement of a other different style fight

the fight was a different type of fight in the first place it was a tanking/hitting slugfest with both being targets

Tsunade getting hit as well

and even then Tsunade didn't win

 

[KidGamer65]

actually show me in that fight how Tsunade was good at dodging things in CQC

or how she can parry things in CQC without getting hit

or even a Susanoo dodging and not being a big huge target which is easier to hit

>Show me Neji, Hinata, or Hiashi being competent enough in CQC to defeat someone who can take on 5 Madara clones using Susanoo. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata or Hiashi having the physical power to parry any strike from Tsunade. I'll wait.

>Show me real feats and stop trying to pass your analyzations off as feats. I'll wait.

the only thing that is irrlevant is you comparing this fight as if it is something that could be used in a CQC taijutsu battle

her tanking Susanoo hits... great do that with GF strikes I dare you

a Susanoo lunking around and not dodging... great I doubt Hiashi would just stay still in CQC



a different fight isn't a measurement of a other different style fight

Tsunade fights with her bare hands. Thus everything she accomplished against the Susanoo is applicable to any of her fights. Get that through your head. Stop talking about "tanking Susanoo hits" when the entire battle wasn't her sitting there and tanking shit you moron. Jesus. :lol She had 2 blades in her. She was fighting 5 clones. If she wasn't defeated or cut down it's because she was doing more than tanking hits.

That and no Gentle Fist technique is capable of putting her down except for 64 palms as it closes the chakra network. Byakugo easily heals anything else. The rest is irrelevant. Clinging to speed won't change the fact that taking on a Susanoo is a better feat than what your fodder favs have. That and even if Hiashi is more nimble, there are 5 of them. :lol Hyuga are more nimble than any chakra Avatar in this Manga yet all these chakra Avatars would buttrape your fav in close quarters and anyone who can take these on would also buttrape your fav.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

>Show me Neji, Hinata, or Hiashi being competent enough in CQC to defeat someone who can take on 5 Madara clones using Susanoo. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata or Hiashi having the physical power to parry any strike from Tsunade. I'll wait.

>Show me real feats and stop trying to pass your analyzations off as feats.

show me Tsunade taking a GF sealing strike I'll wait

show me Tsunade dodging and parrying against a Taijutsu style, I'll wait

show me Tsunade having precog or insight abilties to dodge in CQC, I'll wait


you want me to play your childish baby game ?



Again... where in that fight did it show her CQC/Taijutsu skill?


I'll wait

 

[KidGamer65]

show me Tsunade taking a GF sealing strike I'll wait

show me Tsunade dodging and parrying against a Taijutsu style, I'll wait

show me Tsunade having precog or insight abilties to dodge in CQC, I'll wait


you want me to play your childish baby game ?



Again... where in that fight did it show her CQC/Taijutsu skill?


I'll wait

>Show me Neji, Hiashi or Hinata sealing the chakra network with a strike. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata, or Hiashi being competent enough in CQC to defeat someone who can take on 5 Madara clones using Susanoo. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata or Hiashi having the physical power to parry any strike from Tsunade. I'll wait.

>Show me real feats and stop trying to pass your analyzations off as feats.

>Show me where Tsunade wasn't given a 5 in the Databook for her Taijutsu prowess while only Hiashi out of your favorites got a 5. I'll wait.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

>Show me Neji, Hiashi or Hinata sealing the chakra network with a strike. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata, or Hiashi being competent enough in CQC to defeat someone who can take on 5 Madara clones using Susanoo. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata or Hiashi having the physical power to parry any strike from Tsunade. I'll wait.

>Show me real feats and stop trying to pass your analyzations off as feats.

>Show me where Tsunade wasn't given a 5 in the Databook for her Taijutsu prowess while only Hiashi out of your favorites got a 5. I'll wait.

again you are doing same thing but even worse

I explained how yet you haven't even explained how she would do it?


and again your Susanoo thing never helped since she never showcased anything from that which she would use against a Taijutsu CQC match


no dodging and no opponent dodging


were is your great Tsunade fighting in CQC against someone besides Kabuto

Madara literally just stood there commentating while she attacked his Susanoo Armour the dude wasn't even dodging


again you have no counter argument yet you think tossing question on were I stated how it would work doesn't have justification

if that was the case Versus matches against anyone that we didn't see actually happening in the manga is useless and we should stop making versus threads

 

[KidGamer65]

again you are doing same thing but even worse

I explained how yet you haven't even explained how she would do it?


and again your Susanoo thing never helped since she never showcased anything from that which she would use against a Taijutsu CQC match


no dodging and no opponent dodging


were is your great Tsunade fighting in CQC against someone besides Kabuto

Madara literally just stood there commentating while she attacked his Susanoo Armour the dude wasn't even dodging


again you have no counter argument yet you think tossing question on were I stated how it would work doesn't have justification

if that was the case Versus matches against anyone that we didn't see actually happening in the manga is useless and we should stop making versus threads

Explained? Ha. You've literally explained nothing and I'm not the only one in this thread who can see that. You stated what will happen. Empty statements and detailed explanations are two very different things.

Tsunade fights with her bare hands. Thus everything she accomplished against the Susanoo is applicable to any of her fights. Get that through your head. Stop talking about "tanking Susanoo hits" when the entire battle wasn't her sitting there and tanking shit you moron. Jesus. She had 2 blades in her. She was fighting 5 clones. If she wasn't defeated or cut down it's because she was doing more than tanking hits.


>Show me Neji, Hiashi or Hinata sealing the chakra network with a strike. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata, or Hiashi being competent enough in CQC to defeat someone who can take on 5 Madara clones using Susanoo. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata or Hiashi having the physical power to parry any strike from Tsunade. I'll wait.

>Show me real feats and stop trying to pass your analyzations off as feats.

>Show me where Tsunade wasn't given a 5 in the Databook for her Taijutsu prowess while only Hiashi out of your favorites got a 5. I'll wait.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Explained? Ha. You've literally explained nothing and I'm not the only one in this thread who can see that. You stated what will happen. Empty statements and detailed explanations are two very different things.

Tsunade fights with her bare hands. Thus everything she accomplished against the Susanoo is applicable to any of her fights. Get that through your head. Stop talking about "tanking Susanoo hits" when the entire battle wasn't her sitting there and tanking shit you moron. Jesus. She had 2 blades in her. She was fighting 5 clones. If she wasn't defeated or cut down it's because she was doing more than tanking hits.


>Show me Neji, Hiashi or Hinata sealing the chakra network with a strike. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata, or Hiashi being competent enough in CQC to defeat someone who can take on 5 Madara clones using Susanoo. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata or Hiashi having the physical power to parry any strike from Tsunade. I'll wait.

>Show me real feats and stop trying to pass your analyzations off as feats.

>Show me where Tsunade wasn't given a 5 in the Databook for her Taijutsu prowess while only Hiashi out of your favorites got a 5. I'll wait.

She literally teared the blades out of her body

what is stopping me to believe she wouldn't do the same off screen with other hits?

did you see any of the Susanoo's vanish or die off due to Tsunade?

did the Susanoo's even dodge?

again here you are repeating this

>Show me Neji, Hiashi or Hinata sealing the chakra network with a strike. I'll wait.

one hit to any point can cause destruption

Here Neji blocked Hinata's arm system which stopped her GF from being harmful

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>Show me Neji, Hinata, or Hiashi being competent enough in CQC to defeat someone who can take on 5 Madara clones using Susanoo. I'll wait.

Again your logic is baffling... that fight didn't even have Tsunade win... she was also being assisted by Kages as well asit wasn't even a CQC human size fight with dodging

I can randomly talk about a rasengan and chidori clash but how does that have any meaning in a taijutsu battle?

> Find me Tsunade actually dodging and winning a Taijutsu fight with a taijutsu pro

>Show me Neji, Hinata or Hiashi having the physical power to parry any strike from Tsunade. I'll wait.

Again....

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so how does I hyuga fight a Hyuga?

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Now tell me do you think Tsunade can output CES from her wrist?


here we see that Jounin can only do hand and feet

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>Show me real feats and stop trying to pass your analyzations off as feats.

actually read the OP

actually make a sound argument since again that Susanoo fight didn't have her use skills that can be used in a CQC or taijutsu fight let alone my answer/argument in the OP

>Show me where Tsunade wasn't given a 5 in the Databook for her Taijutsu prowess while only Hiashi out of your favorites got a 5. I'll wait.

Again Hiashi is a 5 in taijutsu but higher in speed and what that signifies in difference is unknown since what is a max 5

some people have 5 from part 1 but we saw people in part 2 do crazier things and be ranked lower


the GF is

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only a idiot would think a person with no taijutsu can outperform a taijutsu user

then you have the byakugan that can see were the CES is coming from

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Again you never countered ANY of these points

NONE

 

[BLAZE]

Actually, Hinata was the one attacking and Neji was the one parrying and that was part 1 who didn't learn the 64 palms so didn't have that hand speed back then so not sure why brought that up.

WEE hinata tried to hit weakest version of neji who parried with her.much feat
like 64 palms magically increases your speed lmao

Having superior reaction doesn't matter. Because it only proves that you can react but it doesn't prove that your opponent can't react to you. The striking speed is what decides if your opponent can react to your attack or not. And Sakura's striking speed isn't fast that can't react with her own hand speed.

And same goes for hinata;neji or hiashi
that is the basic reason they can land consecutive strike in first place on multiple chakra points.Becoz the can react to their own strikes Not becoz their speed magically gets increased by pixies

Listen bro, I know that Hinata is kinda featless but she have what it takes to make this a match (in hand to hand combat at least) and that is:

-Striking speed.
-The ability to anticipate movement .
-Superior Taijutsu skills.

-To which sakura can react since nothing suggest otherwise
-does not give her body speed to react.Even if she does she still gets pulverised from sheer force of punch
-Which gets mooted by the fact she literally does not have strength to parry with her and the fact she needs multiple hits completely shut her while dodging each and every strike from opponent

even if you take neji [who is is superior to manga hinata] almost entirety of his feats are from part 1 most impressive being against kidomaru while sakura was lauded by sasori thus proving distance between the two

I couldn't resist. Smh. Though I wasn't entirely sure if OP was a troll.

At least until now that is. :lol

dude believes hinata can fly :lol

 

[BLAZE]

literally this is the Susanoo fight that your hyping


Madara dividing up his chakra

Madara playing around

And Susanoo's not even dodging any moves....

Even then Tsunade got hit twice in this raid, once before the dopplegangers


plus add all the other Kages fighting this non dodging targets... that are slow too

the whole thing for these stages of Susanoo is its taking ability


So this isn't even the same thing as a human size person fighting one on one in CQC with byakugan and being a master of the GF

is this troll arguing Any hyuga stands any chance against either of that susanoo

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this is a new low

and the Susanoo's are bigger targets, let alone like I stated they weren't ever evading anything since they are empty chakra vessel armours

how blind you have to be to realise Wood clones used susanoo
oh as blind as hyuga fanboy which is funny since hyuga are said to have best insight in NV

Talk about irony :lol

 

[Hakke]

Right. It's like these sheep see the flashy movements and think that nobody can beat them in close combat unless their style is just as refined. Yet people like Ay, his father, Sasuke and almost every other person in the top 10 would rape any Hyuga in close combat. This is the same logic that causes people to wank the hell out of PTS Lee's speed.

Touche.

1. They are faster, but not by tiers unless we're talking about Manga Hinata, which is why the Lee vs. Gaara example doesn't work.

What do you mean? Not every CES user is faster than all of the Gentle Fist users. In terms of speed:
Sakura >> Hinata
Neji > Sakura (War Arc)
Hiashi > Tsunade.
Adult Sakura > Neji.

2. Their hits cannot be parried no matter what stupid excuse is made in this thread. "Oh, but GF would cancel CES if they hit the chakra points", yet no one can show that they can hit the chakra points on their hands without being turned into a fine red paste.

I already explained that with the Byakugan the Hyugas can see where the Chakra is built up and simply avoid making contact with it. And the moment that they are making contact with their arms (in the locations that are not enhanced) they can inject Chakra into the Chakra pathways in the CES user's arm which would disrupt the effects of CES. So the CES user attacks won't overwhelm the Gentle Fist user.

And there are others way of parrying. Instead of stopping the attack with a block. They can simply redirect it and use its momentum for their advantage.

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If the CES user was in the same position as Naruto in the image that I posted then he can kiss his Chakra Enhanced Strength good bye because it only takes 5 Chakra to block the Chakra flow completely in a limb. 5 swift Jabs that can be delivered in an instant with the Hyugas hand speed while their opponent is leaved open. So Sakura or Tsunade need to be cautious when they are delivering a blow cause one Taijutsu maneuver can turn the tables.

Plus, Sakura and Tsunade attacks that were shown in the Manga were always linear. We didn't see any unique Taijutsu techniques from them. Their fighting style seems to be about crashing their way through the opponents defenses and punch him. Unlike the Gentle Fist Style, which excuse me, I just don't know how to explain it so I'll just leave it for experts.

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In Taijutsu , movements play a big part in how it flows , one simple movement from a superior fighter can instantly put the inferior fighter in a bad position and Neji's style is a fighting style made up of movements allowing the practitioner a wider range of motion and full use of momentum, without giving his opponent much of a chance for a direct kick/fist while simultaneously staying in close quarters.

Jyuken's circular evasive nature is shown by the practice of moving behind/around an attacker, so that the opponent cannot easily harm the practitioner. The form's movements employ the whole body with smooth coiling and uncoiling actions to dodge quick jabs/hooks and thrusts, utilizing swift hand techniques to ward away airborn attacks with minimal force , Rapid-fire movements draw energy from the center of the abdomen which allows for quick bobbing and weaving to dodge sweeping kicks and the circular stepping pattern also builds up centripetal force, allowing the practitioner to maneuver quickly around an opponent in Taijutsu.

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Of course it mostly depends on the Skills, Speed, and other physical abilities to determine the winner of a fight but the Fighting style can also play a role.

3. More resilient. Despite fanboys ITT saying "GF is a one hit KO", you, me and everyone else with a brain knows that it is not. If Byakugo is active no GF tech that isn't a completed 64 palms will put them down. They can take hits from the Hyuga, the Hyuga cannot take hits from them.

Wrong. their regeneration require Chakra so preventing the Chakra from reaching certain vital organs (by blocking certain Chakra points) will prevent Byakugou from healing these organs. The Gentle Fist user can just block the Chakra points in the heart while simultaneously stream his own Chakra into her Chakra network to damage her heart. Just like when Neji blocked Kidomaru's Chakra points but at the same time damaged his organs.

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4. Tsunade fought 5 Madara clones using the strongest level of Susanoo right behind V4 and PS.

Irrelevant. The 5 Susanoo clones she fought are nowhere the original in power and most of the fight was even offpaneled. The only thing was shown was this.

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>getting herself stabbed.
>Regenerate.
>Crashing all her way through Susanoo and punch it.

This, however, does not prove that she can beat any Hyuga in hand to hand combat. Because:
-Susanoo's attacks can be healed by Byakugou unlike the Gentle Fist.
-Susanoo's attacks can't disrupt the CES unlike the Gentle Fist
-The Susanoos are bigger in size so they were an easier target for a CES user unlike a normal human.

Whether you like or not but the Hyuga's would be harder for CES users so the ABC logic doesn't apply here.

5. Sakura is just as strong physically, if not stronger, and has obliterated her targets with shockwaves.

Hiashi's Air Wall Palm can over power it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Touche.



What do you mean? Not every CES user is faster than all of the Gentle Fist users. In terms of speed:
Sakura >> Hinata
Neji > Sakura (War Arc)
Hiashi > Tsunade.
Adult Sakura > Neji.

Nope. War Tsunade has better speed feats than Neji does, and Neji is faster than Hiashi. Adult Sakura>Neji>Hiashi. Tsunade>Neji>Hiashi in overall speed.

I already explained that with the Byakugan the Hyugas can see where the Chakra is built up and simply avoid making contact with it. And the moment that they are making contact with their arms (in the locations that are not enhanced) they can inject Chakra into the Chakra pathways in the CES user's arm which would disrupt the effects of CES. So the CES user attacks won't overwhelm the Gentle Fist user.

Ambivalence already addressed this. CES enhances strength period, which is why Tsunade can lift Gamabunta's Tanto, or why Sakura can elbow Zetsu into the ground with super strength despite certain people claiming that CES only works with the hands and the feet, a stupid argument that defies common sense. Punching, kicking and especially lifting all use more muscle than what's in your hands and feet. Lifting is a full body movement when it comes to the muscles used.. This "avoid where the chakra is" business is an irrelevant approach.

And there are others way of parrying. Instead of stopping the attack with a block. They can simply redirect it and use its momentum for their advantage.

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Which still requires a level of strength as you still need to make contact with the target, but when Neji/Hiashi/Hinata do that, their hand is crushed. That and Neji being able to do so to Naruto isn't evidence that Neji can do so to Tsunade or Adult Sakura.

If the CES user was in the same position as Naruto in the image that I posted then he can kiss his Chakra Enhanced Strength good bye because it only takes 5 Chakra to block the Chakra flow completely in a limb. 5 swift Jabs that can be delivered in an instant with the Hyugas hand speed while their opponent is leaved open. So Sakura or Tsunade need to be cautious when they are delivering a blow cause one Taijutsu maneuver can turn the tables.

Yeah, not happening. If it involves them making contact with them while they are throwing their punch or whatever you can forget about this happening until you show me that they are resilient enough to do so.

Plus, Sakura and Tsunade attacks that were shown in the Manga were always linear. We didn't see any unique Taijutsu techniques from them. Their fighting style seems to be about crashing their way through the opponents defenses and punch him. Unlike the Gentle Fist Style, which excuse me, I just don't know how to explain it so I'll just leave it for experts.

Which is irrelevant. Having a better style=/=Being better overall. Especially since ability will always be determined by the individual's power and not the type of style he/she uses. That and these arguments are literally the same nature as the ones you've used and failed with in the past, and I've argued with that same poster about him using that very same logic. I don't need someone to explain how the style works to me. I need someone to stop making excuses and start providing feats. The style is irrelevant if you aren't going to factor in:

-The user's physical parameters.
-His opponent's physical parameters.

Of course it mostly depends on the Skills, Speed, and other physical abilities to determine the winner of a fight but the Fighting style can also play a role.

Yes. It ALL plays a role when rolled up into one big package. Superiority in one doesn't equate to superiority in close combat.

Wrong. their regeneration require Chakra so preventing the Chakra from reaching certain vital organs (by blocking certain Chakra points) will prevent Byakugou from healing these organs. The Gentle Fist user can just block the Chakra points in the heart while simultaneously stream his own Chakra into her Chakra network to damage her heart. Just like when Neji blocked Kidomaru's Chakra points but at the same time damaged his organs.

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That requires 64 palms or any variation of it. Ordinary Gentle Fist, which is streaming chakra into the target's body, only does damage. Period. That's why Neji had to jab Hinata's Tenketsu to close the points, yet nothing of the sort occurred when

So unless you can argue that either of them manages to jab Tsunade/Sakura in the chest without getting their palms greeted by a punch or some other physical attack, this doesn't happen either. Neji damaged his organs with the first strike, and took out his chakra flow with the final strike. Nothing even begins to imply that he did both at the same time with the last strike. 64 palms is blatantly shown not to work like that. Naruto took 64 strikes yet his internals were fine besides the fact his chakra flow was blocked.

Irrelevant. The 5 Susanoo clones she fought are nowhere the original in power and most of the fight was even offpaneled. The only thing was shown was this.

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>getting herself stabbed. >Regenerate. >Crashing all her way through Susanoo and punch it.
This, however, does not prove that she can beat any Hyuga in hand to hand combat. Because:
-Susanoo's attacks can be healed by Byakugou unlike the Gentle Fist.
-Susanoo's attacks can't disrupt the CES unlike the Gentle Fist
-The Susanoos are bigger in size so they were an easier target for a CES user unlike a normal human.

Whether you like or not but the Hyuga's would be harder for CES users so the ABC logic doesn't apply here.

Please don't go down the same dumb route as OP. I don't care if they aren't as strong as the original. They are stronger than your favorite characters in every way, shape and form and that is what matters. This isn't even close to being a rebuttal.

1. Gentle Fist attacks that aren't 64 palms can be healed from.
2. Disrupting is only a factor if you can prove that they can land hits to insert chakra while they are striking, but you cannot.
3. Them being easier targets is irrelevant. Size is irrelevant to speed. When Choji uses his butterfly form he becomes much faster despite getting much larger.


What's even worse is that you've yet to actually explain why the Hyuga are harder to defeat in close combat than 5 clones of Madara using Susanoo. That's why you keep making the same excuses I see from the other one. 5 clones of Madara>>>Neji, Hiashi, or Hinata.

-The clones themselves are physically superior to these 3.
-Susanoo is more durable.
-It's strikes are faster (can strike faster targets due to being used by someone who is of above average speed with Sharingan)
-It's attacks are more lethal if well placed.
-It's range is far larger, and Madara's clones have Sharingan. Way easier for one to land a hit than any Hyuga mentioned in this thread. Then throw in the fact that they are facing 5 of them.

What makes up CQC efficiency? Speed, strength, resilience, range, reaction speed and skill. Susanoo's advantages in everything but skill and running (running, not general movement, running) speed are tiers above the Hyuga regardless of them being clones. Yet somehow because the Hyuga use Gentle Fist they are more dangerous? By this logic I can say that PTS Neji is harder to beat in CQC than 5 of one of the strongest Ninja's clones because "lel Gentle Fist".

And that's just one Susanoo. They each had to fight 5, which mitigates their lack of running speed. Tsunade managed to fight 5 clones of Madara and only got stabbed twice and took no game ending hits, such as bifurcation or decapitation yet somehow you expect me to believe that Neji/Hiashi/Hinata will hit her enough times to seal off her chakra? :lol Yeah, right.

Example: If I used your horrible logic, I'd be saying that Kurama and Sasuke's Senjutsu Susanoo are not as powerful in close quarters as a Hyuga, yet EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto with their "big, easy to hit" lol) Avatars were taking on Juubito. Are you going to argue that fighting a Hyuga in close quarters is harder than fighting

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?If you don't, then your logic of "they are bigger targets and their attacks don't close chakra points) falls apart. If you do, then you have other issues with your thought process to worry about.

Hiashi's Air Wall Palm can over power it.

When it destroys Susanoo it can overpower it. Until then? Nope. Sakura's strength>Hiashi's Air Palm when it comes to damaging potential. Then we have the fact Hiashi needs both hands for his Vacuum Palm. Sakura's casual strikes create shockwaves let alone a serious strike. That makes it easier for her to kill him while they are in close quarters.

She literally teared the blades out of her body

what is stopping me to believe she wouldn't do the same off screen with other hits?

did you see any of the Susanoo's vanish or die off due to Tsunade?

did the Susanoo's even dodge?

again here you are repeating this

Tsunade fights with her bare hands. Thus everything she accomplished against the Susanoo is applicable to any of her fights. Get that through your head. Stop talking about "tanking Susanoo hits" when the entire battle wasn't her sitting there and tanking shit you moron. Jesus. She had 2 blades in her. She was fighting 5 clones. If she wasn't defeated or cut down it's because she was doing more than tanking hits.


>Show me Neji, Hiashi or Hinata sealing the chakra network with a strike. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata, or Hiashi being competent enough in CQC to defeat someone who can take on 5 Madara clones using Susanoo. I'll wait.

>Show me Neji, Hinata or Hiashi having the physical power to parry any strike from Tsunade. I'll wait.

>Show me real feats and stop trying to pass your analyzations off as feats.

>Show me where Tsunade wasn't given a 5 in the Databook for her Taijutsu prowess while only Hiashi out of your favorites got a 5. I'll wait.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

You know fapping went too far when people talk about Sakura/Tsunade as someone extremely fast. .

- Sakura scores 3 while Neji scores 4,5 in speed yet someone claims she is faster .

For his entire life Neji was superior to Lee same Lee who wrecked Naruto and Sasuke in taijutsu and displayed great speed , speed that wasn´t even problem for Neji but he won´be able to face Sakura Most idiotic comment by far.

- Sakura / Tsunade speed is nothing special and irrelevant because :

Shunshin requires chakra to be focused on feets something Byakugan user can easily see so, he will know when someone is going to charge at them at high speed before it even happens.

Same goes for their fighting style . It needs chakra to be focused again something Byakugan can see.

- Also faps are ignoring Byakugan has some sort of precognition which allows them to tell how is enemy going to move.

Thanks to Byakugan ability to follow high speed movements and some sort of precognition their reflexes are easily superior when Byakugan is activated.

- This leads us to striking speed where Hyugas are tiers above them as seen when performing 64 palms where they perform 32 attacks in one panel.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Reviewing Logic;21484563]actaully read the OP

again some people

I already told you how CES outputs chakra

ok

and the scans showcase how Hyuga parry Output chakra attacks by parrying the wrists and ankles

And that is the problem. provide feats that enable these guys effectively parry the strikes of people who can do damage to soosano without getting pulverised in the process when they are not faster nor do they have better reactions and strength to enable them perform this feat