A CES user would have to have contact with a GF user in order to actually have impact

[Hakke]

The Gentle Fist user can parry the CES user attacks by simply blocking one Chakra points and injecting Chakra into the CES user Chakra pathway which would disrupt the effects of CES. Of course the Gentle Fist user needs to avoid making contact with parts the are enhanced with Chakra when parrying which he should be capable of with the Byakugan's ability to see where the Chakra is built up.

can go either way between Sakura and Hinata in CQC.
Neji stomps Sakura in CQC :lol
Hiashi beats Tsunade in CQC.

 

[Team7monaa]

Tsunade utilises pure strength in most situation so a hyuuga may try blocking her atack and that could be the end for them

 

[Made in Heaven]

Like this same guy didn't get his ass ****ed by a zetsu behind him, miss me with your BS please.

Never happened And let's not get started with that when the same happened to Sakura

They could say the same about her tripping.

You'll say she was tired

They'll say Sakura was caught off guard


Bickering ensues..

Except Hinata was tired, and we even have this explained. We even see this happened to Naruto later and, so are these morons gonna claim Sakura > base Naruto now? This isn't even a matter of bias, it's literally common sense.

Except Sakura stans fap her evasion skills and fanfic durability yet she fails to dodge Kabuto's body and gets knocked out so easily.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Let me get this straight Tsuande only CQC skills are getting wrecked by Kabuto who dodged all her attacks and even admits he suck at taijutsu. Only time she was able to overcome him was by surprise and when Kabuto guard was down because he was thinking Tsunade was unable to fight.

Sakura only CQC skills are getting wrecked by Omoi.

And someone thinks they can beat Hyugas in CQC Huygas would beat them no need to be genius to realise this.

BTW Great thread.

 

[BLAZE]

CES user will turn the hyuga into brain of hyuga fanboys aka nothing

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first this dude is like

No, it's Sakura fans who think that Sakura can defeat a Hyuga in close combat.

when fails to prove it since hinata's feats are equivalent to that of above two posters brain cells he is like'

can go either way between Sakura and Hinata in CQC.

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[Lyke]

Didnt read but good thread,gf> ces

 

[Ves]

Nothing short of hysterical. Possessing a more refined Taijutsu, clearly does not equate to being superior in a close quarter bout. The shown CES users; Sakura & Tsunade, have both shown superior feats in comparison to Hiashi, Neji, and Hinata. Arguing for either Hyuga on the premise of superiority is asinine, especially when they don't possess advantageous feats against the known CES users. Superiority in Taijutsu stems from several aspects; movement & reaction speed remaining the most important, categories Sakura & Tsunade are leagues above any Hyuga shown canonically. This is a nonsensical argument, just drop it Hyuga supporters. It's making you all look foolish.

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[KidGamer65]

I see the entire gang of delusional wankers has entered the fray. Until one of you guys can support your claims with real evidence your cries about Hyuga's amazing parrying skill will continue to fall on deaf ears.

Fact of the matter is, Tsunade has close combat feats superior to every Hyuga on panel, and Adult Sakura creates shockwaves with her punches and has better speed feats than any Hyuga shown on panel. There is literally nothing to argue here, which is why the past 5 pages have been Reviewing Logic posting scans of kids.

Hyuga fans when talking about what Hyuga can do:

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Hyuga fans when they have to provide on panel feats and support their claims with evidence:

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[Ves]

I see the entire gang of delusional wankers has entered the fray. Until one of you guys can support your claims with real evidence your cries about Hyuga's amazing parrying skill will continue to fall on deaf ears.

Fact of the matter is, Tsunade has close combat feats superior to every Hyuga on panel, and Adult Sakura creates shockwaves with her punches and has better speed feats than any Hyuga shown on panel. There is literally nothing to argue here, which is why the past 5 pages have been Reviewing Logic posting scans of kids.

Hyuga fans when talking about what Hyuga can do:

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The ability to parry against an opponent who's tiers above you in movement, and reaction speed is laughable. A simple, yet rectifying example would be Lee vs Gaara's automatic sand. Lee = Tsunade/Sakura Gaara's auto sand defense = Neji/Hinata/Hiashi Gaara's sand couldn't defend, branching from the inability to perceive correctly. This clearly signifies, that attempts at countering speed above your pay-grade isn't possible. Transitioning that scenario's mechanics, to this one, the CES users blatantly have shown superiority in speed by a few tiers. The outcome should be obvious.

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[Hakke]

CES user will turn the hyuga into brain of hyuga fanboys aka nothing

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first this dude is like


when fails to prove it since hinata's feats are equivalent to that of above two posters brain cells he is like'

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why don't you address my points instead of *****ing about it ? Yes, I said that it can go either way in CQC. Hinata has superior Taijutsu, the Byakugan and an insane hand speed which makes up for her inferiority in body movement speed. And she can parry Sakura's attacks as I explained in my previous post.

Hinata's reaction for Sakura's attacks would be parrying and when we parry, we use our hands and she doesn't lack the hand speed. Sakura is faster than Hinata in terms of foot speed and body movements like moving the legs, the head, the waist which help in evading the attacks. But in terms of hand speed it is obviously who is faster.

Btw, I am not counting ranged attacks like Air Palm, Ground Punching, causing shock waves by punching the air etc. But if we are counting that then yeah. Sakura definitely wins.

 

[KidGamer65]

The ability to parry against an opponent who's tiers above you in movement, and reaction speed is laughable. A simple, yet rectifying example would be Lee vs Gaara's automatic sand. Lee = Tsunade/Sakura Gaara's auto sand defense = Neji/Hinata/Hiashi Gaara's sand couldn't defend, branching from the inability to perceive correctly. This clearly signifies, that attempts at countering speed above your pay-grade isn't possible. Transitioning that scenario's mechanics, to this one, the CES users blatantly have shown superiority in speed by a few tiers. The outcome should be obvious.

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Right. It's like these sheep see the flashy movements and think that nobody can beat them in close combat unless their style is just as refined. Yet people like Ay, his father, Sasuke and almost every other person in the top 10 would rape any Hyuga in close combat. This is the same logic that causes people to wank the hell out of PTS Lee's speed.

Though I wouldn't really use this example. The main reason they get raped is because:

1. They are faster, but not by tiers unless we're talking about Manga Hinata, which is why the Lee vs. Gaara example doesn't work.
2. Their hits cannot be parried no matter what stupid excuse is made in this thread. "Oh, but GF would cancel CES if they hit the chakra points", yet no one can show that they can hit the chakra points on their hands without being turned into a fine red paste.
3. More resilient. Despite fanboys ITT saying "GF is a one hit KO", you, me and everyone else with a brain knows that it is not. If Byakugo is active no GF tech that isn't a completed 64 palms will put them down. They can take hits from the Hyuga, the Hyuga cannot take hits from them.
4. Tsunade fought 5 Madara clones using the strongest level of Susanoo right behind V4 and PS.
5. Sakura is just as strong physically, if not stronger, and has obliterated her targets with shockwaves.

Sakura engages in CQC, punches the air and the Hyuga dies. Nothing more to it. Tsunade just stomps them, especially Neji and Hinata. So much talk from these people yet not one scan proving what they say is possible.

 

[Hakke]

The ability to parry against an opponent who's tiers above you in movement, and reaction speed is laughable. A simple, yet rectifying example would be Lee vs Gaara's automatic sand. Lee = Tsunade/Sakura Gaara's auto sand defense = Neji/Hinata/Hiashi Gaara's sand couldn't defend, branching from the inability to perceive correctly. This clearly signifies, that attempts at countering speed above your pay-grade isn't possible. Transitioning that scenario's mechanics, to this one, the CES users blatantly have shown superiority in speed by a few tiers. The outcome should be obvious.

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Neji is faster than Sakura (War Arc) and Hiashi is faster than Tsunade if we are going by the DB states. And that's even without counting the Byakugan which boosts their reaction speed. So why wouldn't they be able to parry their attacks exactly?

 

[BLAZE]

why don't you address my points instead of *****ing about it ? Yes, I said that it can go either way in CQC. Hinata has superior Taijutsu, the Byakugan and an insane hand speed which makes up for her inferiority in body movement speed. And she can parry Sakura's attacks as I explained in my previous post.

Where is the feat
oh wait hinata failed to parry with the weakest version of neji is example of her insane hand speed

Hinata's reaction for Sakura's attacks would be parrying and when we parry, we use our hands and she doesn't lack the hand speed. Sakura is faster than Hinata in terms of foot speed and body movements like moving the legs, the head, the waist which help in evading the attacks. But in terms of hand speed it is obviously who is faster.

Based on literally nothing
the fact hinata is totally outclassed in any feats of reaction and speed.Sakura did react to blades of sasori's puppets from all around her while hinata was off her ass fighting zetsu's

oh will you talk about Omoi who has shown much superior feats than hintaa will ever show in her lifetime and then twist the fact sakura was trying to engage with karui while sai with omoi but omoi was faster than both oh yeah faster than sai who has also shown much superior speed than hinata

lemme guess again what is hinata's feat.She is hyuga;she has byakugan bohoohoo

you would be better off if you add craps like hinata can fly and hinata has rikudo chakra like the other two since you are not going to find feats of hinata

Btw, I am not counting ranged attacks like Air Palm, Ground Punching, causing shock waves by punching the air etc. But if we are counting that then yeah. Sakura definitely wins.

And i am not counting the boost byakugou release will provide sakura.Just feats of base sakura

 

[Ambivalence]

Neji is faster than Sakura (War Arc) and Hiashi is faster than Tsunade if we are going by the DB states. And that's even without counting the Byakugan which boosts their reaction speed.

This stupid shit again. Byakugan mostly just ''boosts reaction speed'' in the way of granting a full view of their surroundings, thus making side/back attacks harder to land. It has little to no impact on their reaction speed when talking about a frontal CQC fight when chakra attacks aren't involved, and though it can perceive Sakura gathering chakra into her fist, it doesn't actually help in any way because that's basically the only thing Sakura does anyway, plus she can't avoid (fully), block or parry the blows.

And parrying? For Hinata to parry even one strike she has to be:

A: Faster at striking speed
B: Strong enough to parry

The first I can agree on if we take into account her fight with The Last puppets. The second is not even close. Once Hinata attempts to parry and makes contact with Sakura's incoming strike is when her hand is trashed into pieces. I don't need to explain why, right? You're most likely thinking something like: ''Her hand will be perfectly fine since she won't touch the point of impact, which would be Sakura's fist'', except a mastered CES enhances all forms of strength, including raw body power as per the databook, meaning Sakura's entire arm would carry massive weight and force, not just her fist.

So Hinata's hand is crushed, her parry fails, Sakura's hit goes through and Hinata dies. That is how an exchange of blows between Sakura and Hinata will go, every time.

And as you said, that's not even taking into account ground punching or air shockwaves. Sakura rapes her, it really isn't a semi-decent match up.

 

[BLAZE]

SM Naruto vs Hinata

hinata would parry too fast handspeed

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[Hakke]

Where is the feat
oh wait hinata failed to parry with the weakest version of neji is example of her insane hand speed

Actually, Hinata was the one attacking and Neji was the one parrying and that was part 1 who didn't learn the 64 palms so didn't have that hand speed back then so not sure why brought that up.

Based on literally nothing
the fact hinata is totally outclassed in any feats of reaction and speed.Sakura did react to blades of sasori's puppets from all around her while hinata was off her ass fighting zetsu's

Having superior reaction doesn't matter. Because it only proves that you can react but it doesn't prove that your opponent can't react to you. The striking speed is what decides if your opponent can react to your attack or not. And Sakura's striking speed isn't fast that can't react with her own hand speed.

oh will you talk about Omoi who has shown much superior feats than hintaa will ever show in her lifetime and then twist the fact sakura was trying to engage with karui while sai with omoi but omoi was faster than both oh yeah faster than sai who has also shown much superior speed than hinata

I actually stopped using this argument long ago.

lemme guess again what is hinata's feat.She is hyuga;she has byakugan bohoohoo

you would be better off if you add craps like hinata can fly and hinata has rikudo chakra like the other two since you are not going to find feats of hinata

Listen bro, I know that Hinata is kinda featless but she have what it takes to make this a match (in hand to hand combat at least) and that is:

-Striking speed.
-The ability to anticipate movement .
-Superior Taijutsu skills.

And i am not counting the boost byakugou release will provide sakura.Just feats of base sakura

What kind of boost? Scan please.

This stupid shit again. Byakugan mostly just ''boosts reaction speed'' in the way of granting a full view of their surroundings, thus making side/back attacks harder to land. It has little to no impact on their reaction speed when talking about a frontal CQC fight when chakra attacks aren't involved, and though it can perceive Sakura gathering chakra into her fist, it doesn't actually help in any way because that's basically the only thing Sakura does anyway, plus she can't avoid (fully), block or parry the blows.

Wrong. The Manga clearly states that it can anticipate movements.

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Tenten first explains the Byakugan first ability and that is the 360 degree of vision then goes to say "And with that same All-seeing White Eye". Simply stating another ability for that eye and that is the ability to anticipate the opponents attacks. And the ability to anticipate enhances the reaction speed.

And parrying? For Hinata to parry even one strike she has to be:

A: Faster at striking speed
B: Strong enough to parry

The first I can agree on if we take into account her fight with The Last puppets. The second is not even close. Once Hinata attempts to parry and makes contact with Sakura's incoming strike is when her hand is trashed into pieces. I don't need to explain why, right? You're most likely thinking something like: ''Her hand will be perfectly fine since she won't touch the point of impact, which would be Sakura's fist'', except a mastered CES enhances all forms of strength, including raw body power as per the databook, meaning Sakura's entire arm would carry massive weight and force, not just her fist.

So Hinata's hand is crushed, her parry fails, Sakura's hit goes through and Hinata dies. That is how an exchange of blows between Sakura and Hinata will go, every time.

And as you said, that's not even taking into account ground punching or air shockwaves. Sakura rapes her, it really isn't a semi-decent match up.

Can you post a scan that proves the Bold?

 

[Reviewing Logic]

literally this is the Susanoo fight that your hyping

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Madara dividing up his chakra

Madara playing around

And Susanoo's not even dodging any moves....

Even then Tsunade got hit twice in this raid, once before the dopplegangers

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and the Susanoo's are bigger targets, let alone like I stated they weren't ever evading anything since they are empty chakra vessel armours


plus add all the other Kages fighting this non dodging targets... that are slow too

the whole thing for these stages of Susanoo is its taking ability




So this isn't even the same thing as a human size person fighting one on one in CQC with byakugan and being a master of the GF


and the fact that unlike the Susanoo stabs a GF strike seals chakra points which can't be open again unless your a jinjiruki with a external source


also those images? that was the fight for Tsunade... literally that was it no other panels or stretch to showcase her dodging anything just a stabbed Tsunade punching a Susanoo in the back and then Oonoki was the one that let Madara change to PS

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it lasted one chapter

so WTH is he even talking about?

Madara eventually stops playing around the next chapter and good bye...

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[King Of Pop]

The thing is you haven't actually proven anything. all you did was post scans of their fighting style(part 1 kids) without telling us how they are fast or strong enough to do what you are claiming they would do against the CES users. terms like complex style", martial style" are really not viable arguments. We know tsunade packs enough power to damage soosano. No Hyuuga is parrying her hit without any consequence not until you prove otherwise. same goes for sakura

 

[Reviewing Logic]

The thing is you haven't actually proven anything. all you did was post scans of their fighting style(part 1 kids) without telling us how they are fast or strong enough to do what you are claiming they would do against the CES users. terms like complex style", martial style" are really not viable arguments. We know tsunade packs enough power to damage soosano. No Hyuuga is parrying her hit without any consequence not until you prove otherwise. same goes for sakura

actaully read the OP

again some people

I already told you how CES outputs chakra

and the scans showcase how Hyuga parry Output chakra attacks by parrying the wrists and ankles


if you read the OP you would know this and what purpose the scan is shown for

also the byakugan can know were a CES move will come from due to reading the network and chakra flow

thus making them parry the spot that is about to output the chakra/CES

 

[KidGamer65]

literally this is the Susanoo fight that your hyping


Madara dividing up his chakra

Madara playing around

And Susanoo's not even dodging any moves....

Even then Tsunade got hit twice in this raid, once before the dopplegangers

and the Susanoo's are bigger targets, let alone like I stated they weren't ever evading anything since they are empty chakra vessel armours


plus add all the other Kages fighting this non dodging targets... that are slow too

the whole thing for these stages of Susanoo is its taking ability




So this isn't even the same thing as a human size person fighting one on one in CQC with byakugan and being a master of the GF


and the fact that unlike the Susanoo stabs a GF strike seals chakra points which can't be open again unless your a jinjiruki with a external source


also those images? that was the fight for Tsunade... literally that was it no other panels or stretch to showcase her dodging anything just a stabbed Tsunade punching a Susanoo in the back and then Oonoki was the one that let Madara change to PS



it lasted one chapter

so WTH is he even talking about?

Madara eventually stops playing around the next chapter and good bye...

It's funny to watch you do mental gymnastics, jumping through hoop after hoop to try and argue that Hyuga are more dangerous and harder to overcome in close quarters than 5 Susanoo clones. Stop making all these stupid ass excuses you idiot. Them being bigger and them moving slower is irrelevant, because they are far beyond your favorites in every other facet of battle. Holding off the Gokage is a better feat than any Hyuga will ever have. The simple fact that they are Susanoo ends your shitty ass comparison.

-Madara playing around>Your favorites.
-Madara's clones>Your favorites.
-The clones were summoned in

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you moron. Those scans are from 588. Meaning the majority of the fight was off panel. Use your brain for once. As for the actual length of the off panel fight, it started when Itachi/Sasuke engaged Kabuto, and ended when Itachi put him in Izanami, meaning the whole Kabuto vs. Itachi/Sasuke fight is the amount of time the Gokage were fighting those clones.
-Susanoo is meant for offense in close quarters. THAT has been it's primary function. OFFENSE.

When any Hyuga shows feats that let them take on someone who can take on 5 Susanoo clones with her bare hands then we can advance this discussion. Until then, you have no point.

I'm going to copy and paste this post from now on if you want to keep repeating this trash.