A CES user would have to have contact with a GF user in order to actually have impact

[ANiMUS]

Sorry, but this still seems to come down to skill, speed, and reaction time. That being said Sakura can put down Hinata in one hit. >_> Hinata cant. Hinata's biggest combat feat is dazing a Juubi fodder.

Now with that being said u could save yourself a lot of trouble if u could just bring out a scan that says she is a Gentle fist master. That means she at least knows all the moves of that style.

Something of note is also this <_<

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Not touching, explosive power, casual.

Calling a spade a spade the fight looks interesting with no clear winner without more combat feats like speed, the DC if Hinatas moves, and what not. Would still put my money on Sakura though.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sorry, but this still seems to come down to skill, speed, and reaction time. That being said Sakura can put down Hinata in one hit. >_> Hinata cant. Hinata's biggest combat feat is faxing a Juubi fodder.

Now with that being said u could save yourself a lot of trouble if u could just bring out a scan that says she is a Gentle fist master. That means she at least knows all the moves of that style.

Something of note is also this <_<

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Not touching, explosive power, casual.

Calling a spade a spade the fight looks interesting with no clear winner without more combat feats like speed and what not. Would still put my money on Sakura though.

This. CQC proficiency is made of skill, strength, movement speed, reaction speed, the range your techniques affect and resilience.

Skill? Hyuga beat Sakura, but not Tsunade.
Speed? Both Sakura and Tsunade have better feats.
Range? Sakura and Tsunade shit. The gif posted here plus every ground pound ever show this.
Strength? :lol Yeah.
Reaction speed? Tsunade and Sakura have shown better feats.

Strength is the major thing since it prevents the Hyuga from properly parrying their strikes. Sakura/Tsunade>>>Kisame>Gai>All Hyuga in physical power due to CES and Gai got knocked on his ass trying to block one of his blows. A finger to the ground messed up Naruto's footing. The same tactics can be used here. Resilience? GF users will need to land 64 palms to defeat Byakugo users as they will easily heal from anything else, meanwhile Sakura and Tsunade can kill them in one, direct or indirect, hit. If they ever trade blows or clash body parts it's a wrap for them.

Sakura and Tsunade are fast enough to react to any charge from the Hyuga, so if they close in to attack sakura punches the air and instead of that debris being obliterated she kills whatever Hyuga she is fighting. Tsunade is just superior in close combat period.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

1. Irrelevant. Not serious Madara>>>>>Your favorites.
2. Irrelevant. 5 Susanoo Clones, which the Gokage all fought>>>>>Your favorites.
3. Irrelevant. Susanoo are also stronger, with a wider range and lethal attacks.
4. Irrelevant. Susanoo is meant to be offense and defense rolled into one.

5 Susanoo Clones>>>>Neji, Hinata or Hiashi. That's a fact. I don't care if Neji and the rest are more nimble and better at evasion. That's one advantage while Susanoo has many more advantages.

5. Irrelevant, because again, 5 Susanoo Clones>>>>>Listed Hyuga. Madara>>>>>>>>Neji, Hiashi and Hinata combined x 3.

A Gentle Fist attack does not mean "Good bye chakra points". 64 palms=good bye chakra points, but of course there isn't any valid argumentation that leads me to believe they'll ever land 64 palms.

I don't really care about your opinion in the bold. Kishimoto gave Tsunade a higher score than Neji and Hinata. If you have a problem send him a fan mail and work out your issue with him. The feats also agree, which is why Tsunade can go against 5 clones and not die while Neji and/or Hinata get one shotted by just a single clone. :lol

So far all you've done is say "parry, dodge, taijutsu master" over and over without looking at each person's actual feats. Your argument isn't going to go anywhere like this buddy.

Wait how is Madara using susanoo a feat of taijutsu? That isnt hand to hand combat...Tsunade vs kabuto is a far better example of a taijutsu match. And then you bring up stats when you your self stated in another threaf that stats dont mean shit or something to that extent...huh???

 

[To Whatever]

How was it BS if one of the most talented hyuuga's with pre-cognition and 360 vision couldn't sense an average speed white zetsu? Yeah ofc

You said something about rape and butts. That's BS. Same with people talking about Neji dying to toothpicks the size of support beams.

Also, how does a goddess with 360 vision get punched? It shouldn't but it has.

Show maturity.


Makes no sense but it happened.

 

[KidGamer65]

Wait how is Madara using susanoo a feat of taijutsu? That isnt hand to hand combat...Tsunade vs kabuto is a far better example of a taijutsu match. And then you bring up stats when you your self stated in another threaf that stats dont mean shit or something to that extent...huh???

:lol What? If she's using Taijutsu to fight against 5 armed Susanoo clones it is a Taijutsu feat for her. No one is talking about that being a Taijutsu match or that Madara's clones were using Taijutsu so idk why you thought this point made any sense.

I said the Boruto stats are flawed. Not Kishimoto's stats for his Manga. That and I said they don't prove overall superiority in combat. Look guy, if you are going to play this game with me I suggest you get your facts straight. It'll save me the trouble of correcting you.

 

[ANiMUS]

This. CQC proficiency is made of skill, strength, movement speed, reaction speed, the range your techniques affect and resilience.

Skill? Hyuga beat Sakura, but not Tsunade.
Speed? Both Sakura and Tsunade have better feats.
Range? Sakura and Tsunade shit. The gif posted here plus every ground pound ever show this.
Strength? :lol Yeah.
Reaction speed? Tsunade and Sakura have shown better feats.

Strength is the major thing since it prevents the Hyuga from properly parrying their strikes. Sakura/Tsunade>>>Kisame>Gai>All Hyuga in physical power due to CES and Gai got knocked on his ass trying to block one of his blows. A finger to the ground messed up Naruto's footing. The same tactics can be used here. Resilience? GF users will need to land 64 palms to defeat Byakugo users as they will easily heal from anything else, meanwhile Sakura and Tsunade can kill them in one, direct or indirect, hit. If they ever trade blows or clash body parts it's a wrap for them.

Sakura and Tsunade are fast enough to react to any charge from the Hyuga, so if they close in to attack sakura punches the air and instead of that debris being obliterated she kills whatever Hyuga she is fighting. Tsunade is just superior in close combat period.

Got to agree. By feats Hinata loses period.The whole notion of her beating Sakura is nothing but assumption and hype. Until shown there isn't a single thing in the hyuuga arsenal that has shown to block explosive power on Sakura's level. Sakura has more speed, power, and tbh I would say that she is smarter in battle too.

 

[To Whatever]

People need to realize Hinata may know one of the strongest taijutsu in the series but that doesn't make here strong.

She doesn't have the IT factor to step outside her role as a sensor/support.

Sakura has healing and ability to cause collateral damage as crutch on top of being a medic.


Just look at the war and how units were formed.

Shino, Neji, Kiba, Hinata were all sensors and scouts.

Sakura was way in the back lines as a medic but before was with Gai and Kakashi.

 

[KidGamer65]

Got to agree. By feats Hinata loses period.The whole notion of her beating Sakura is nothing but assumption and hype. Until shown there isn't a single thing in the hyuuga arsenal that has shown to block explosive power on Sakura's level. Sakura has more speed, power, and tbh I would say that she is smarter in battle too.

Agreed on pretty much all fronts. Sakura vs. Hinata isn't even a fair comparison.

 

[To Whatever]

Agreed on pretty much all fronts. Sakura vs. Hinata isn't even a fair comparison.

Won't stop people from saying that.

Maybe if they showed her against momoshiki and co. We'd have a arguement.

 

[KidGamer65]

Won't stop people from saying that.

Maybe if they showed her against momoshiki and co. We'd have a arguement.

Of course. Literally nothing short of a fight on panel will end these debates.

 

[To Whatever]

Only way Hinata wins or this can be debated is if we get new feats or she has Naruto's kyuubi/BM cloak.

Even then the latter would be an outside source.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

:lol What? If she's using Taijutsu to fight against 5 armed Susanoo clones it is a Taijutsu feat for her. No one is talking about that being a Taijutsu match or that Madara's clones were using Taijutsu so idk why you thought this point made any sense.

I said the Boruto stats are flawed. Not Kishimoto's stats for his Manga. That and I said they don't prove overall superiority in combat. Look guy, if you are going to play this game with me I suggest you get your facts straight. It'll save me the trouble of correcting you.

And? Thats Tsunade fighting against large chakra constructs not another person with a Byakugan parrying her blows while being in range to closr her chakra points. Like i said Kabuto vs Tsunade is a far better example of a taijutsu fight and she got wrecked. Why would it be diffrent against a skillef byakugan user like Hiashi? Instead of a chakra scalpel it would be her chakra points being shut down.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Susanoo's are not even taijutsu are martial based characters

they more or less eventually use kenjutsu if you want to be pratical

nevertheless they are a chakra armour meant to tank attacks and are large and easy targets (the point of an armour).

Tsunade has no martial feats... she has power feats

the only martial feats she showcased are against people who lack taijutsu skill


again with the byakugan and the taijutsu skill they can easily dodge and block things in CQC

you say CES moves but the byakugan can see the user channel their chakra before the even release the CES move

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pair it with the GF ability to seal, destroy, etc.. a chakra point and network with this trigram speed

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it isn't hard to grasp

saying it is irrelevant or comparing a clunking Susanoo to a taijutsu user is stupid

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Long established

 

[KidGamer65]

And? Thats Tsunade fighting against large chakra constructs not another person with a Byakugan parrying her blows while being in range to closr her chakra points. Like i said Kabuto vs Tsunade is a far better example of a taijutsu fight and she got wrecked. Why would it be diffrent against a skillef byakugan user like Hiashi? Instead of a chakra scalpel it would be her chakra points being shut down.

I don't care nor does it matter. When it comes to CQC Susanoo>>>>Neji or any other Hyuga despite their size. Taking on armed chakra giants>>>>>Taking on unarmed Hyuga in difficulty. What is so hard to comprehend about that fact? Unless you are going to argue that fighting Hiashi or Neji or Hinata is harder than fighting 5 Madara clones using Susanoo you will not have a point. Kabuto vs. Rusty Tsunade is irrelevant and will be ignored the next time anyone ever brings it up.

Susanoo's are not even taijutsu are martial based characters

they more or less eventually use kenjutsu if you want to be pratical

nevertheless they are a chakra armour meant to tank attacks and are large and easy targets (the point of an armour).

Tsunade has no martial feats... she has power feats

the only martial feats she showcased are against people who lack taijutsu skill


again with the byakugan and the taijutsu skill they can easily dodge and block things in CQC

you say CES moves but the byakugan can see the user channel their chakra before the even release the CES move

pair it with the GF ability to seal, destroy, etc.. a chakra point and network with this trigram speed

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it isn't hard to grasp

saying it is irrelevant or comparing a clunking Susanoo to a taijutsu user is stupid

Doesn't matter what they use. They are superior in close quarters to Neji, Hiashi and Hinata combined let alone separately. Taking on 5 Humanoid Susanoo>>>>>Fighting these 3 individually in CQC. All I'm reading is pathetic excuse after pathetic excuse.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

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Doesn't matter what they use. They are superior in close quarters to Neji, Hiashi and Hinata combined let alone separately. Taking on 5 Humanoid Susanoo>>>>>Fighting these 3 individually in CQC. All I'm reading is pathetic excuse after pathetic excuse.

Again I stated the factors on Susanoo's

they are chakra puppets that are primarly used as big damage causing characters with the prime focus of being a armour


Tsunade even still got hit by them

now compare that too a Hyuga GF master that is in CQC that if tsunade got hit by a GF attack her chakra point would be closed

every attack seals her fate

there isn't an excuse you are again thinking Susanoo is some martial CQC thing when it isn't

 

[KidGamer65]

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Taking on armed opponents is already a better feat than taking on unarmed opponents let alone taking on 5 armed Susanoo, who are superior to regular Ninja in every way, shape and form.

 

[KidGamer65]

Again I stated the factors on Susanoo's

they are chakra puppets that are primarly used as big damage causing characters with the prime focus of being a armour


Tsunade even still got hit by them

now compare that too a Hyuga GF master that is in CQC that if tsunade got hit by a GF attack her chakra point would be closed

every attack seals her fate

there isn't an excuse you are again thinking Susanoo is some martial CQC thing when it isn't

Except you are still making excuses. Susanoo's main focus is offense and defense. It doesn't lean towards one or the other. In fact Susanoo's feats are mostly offensive feats, but considering all you do is lie I can't be surprised that you are talking about it's primary focus being defense.

Stop talking about "martial arts" or "martial CQC" or "skill". I. Do. Not. Care. Skill is one of several parts of overall CQC ability. V3 Susanoo Clone of Edo Madara>>>>>Neji, Hiashi and Hinata in close quarters combat overall point blank period. CQC is more than just hand to hand. Despite that Tsunade can fight against them on par for the most part with her bare hands. I don't care if she got tagged, because Madara's 5 Susanoo Clones>>>>>Neji, Hiashi or Hinata. Them tagging Tsunade is evidence that fodders in comparison can do so too? Yeah, no. Get real son.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

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Taking on armed opponents is already a better feat than taking on unarmed opponents let alone taking on 5 armed Susanoo, who are superior to regular Ninja in every way, shape and form.

are you telling me a Susanoo has intellect and is a master of a martial skill?

are you saying a Susanoo is designed for CQC taijutsu/kenjutsu

or is it more of a chakra doll armour that deals major damage and acts like an armour/shield for its user

it is designed to face big, large moving opponents

let alone it wasn't even a PS that Tasunade fought

 

[To Whatever]

It's annoying when you dislike a character but you gotta stop people making up bs and making the person you tolerate someone they aren't.

As horribly written Sakura is as a main female lead, She can beat Hinata.