A CES user would have to have contact with a GF user in order to actually have impact

[Styles]

again jumping isn't hard and attacking someone before they even do an attack isn't hard either
Also I don't know who has what in terms of abilities but that isn't the point of this thread... instead it is taijutsu being used in CQC
I know though that all the Hyuga's we saw that wasn't Hinata, Hanabi, Hiashi/and his bro and Neji are all Jounin with only one being a special Jounin


nevertheless as stated in my OP this isn't the point of the thread since that environmental impact method is solved via another set of tactics

It is when the one using the CES is faster and stronger than the person they're fighting it wouldn't even matter.

What is that pic for?

 

[KidGamer65]

spinning and what not doesn't change that I told you they can only expel chakra from their feet and hands and the GF taijutsu style blocks via wrist and ankles

And this right here is something you made up. If this is how you are going to be let me know now so I can quit before I waste a bunch of time arguing with you. CES enhances their strength. Period. Lifting, striking, punching.....ALL of it.

So no, no Hyuga is parrying anything here.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

What is this based on? Because until you start bringing feats of individuals your logic will continue to boil down to "I think they win because the Gentle Fist is a better Taijutsu style" You aren't even making arguments at this point.

-Tsunade has a 5 in Taijutsu. That's higher than all your precious Hyuga except Hiashi. Tsunade can fight against 5 Susanoo clones for an extended period of time with her bare hands. That's a better feat than all your precious Hyuga have.

"Taijutsu pro" isn't and never will be an argument. Hinata's CQC feats are inferior to all of Sakura's CQC feats from even before she had the Byakugo Seal. I don't care about the Gentle Fist being the strongest style when in reality the effectiveness is determined by the user, and Sakura and Tsunade's physical superiority circumvents the fact that they are not as skilled. I don't care how the Gentle Fist style blocks. I'm not taking anyone who implies that they can parry the physical strikes of people with enough physical power to break Susanoo seriously.

So you should probably bring more feats and less opinionated statements if you want to prove your point. What has any Hyuga ever done in this Manga to be put above Sakura and especially Tsunade in close combat. I'll wait.

I can't

Tsunade is greater then Sakura in fighting but we saw Kabuto out best her in CQC


Sakura can do major damage with CES but again that means nothing against someone that specializes in not only parrying against chakra taijutsu but also specializes in sealing that chakra


if you actually think Sakura could best someone like Neji or now that Hinata knows 64 Palms and was called a GF master


Sakura only did surprise attacks and face puppets in long term CQC


she doesn't have tecnique

CES isn't a taijutsu


again you keep on saying show me the proof as if they fought before but all the data is here.... what counter do they have?

what move other then punching the ground could they do?


they also have the bloody byakugan


your pushing it here with her denail

 

[Reviewing Logic]

And this right here is something you made up. If this is how you are going to be let me know now so I can quit before I waste a bunch of time arguing with you. CES enhances their strength. Period. Lifting, striking, punching.....ALL of it.

So no, no Hyuga is parrying anything here.

again actually READ the manga

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heck READ MY OP

you never refuted anything when you just say well Tsunade and Sakura are better in Taijutsu


is Madara a taijutsu pro, was Madara even serious?!

He was using this Susanoo a bigger thing to do the attacks and he was abusing his edo tensei

if Madara was serious he would just stop them quickly.... he would also not allow a hit and use as much precog and skill as possible

 

[KidGamer65]

I can't

Tsunade is greater then Sakura in fighting but we saw Kabuto out best her in CQC


Sakura can do major damage with CES but again that means nothing against someone that specializes in not only parrying against chakra taijutsu but also specializes in sealing that chakra if you actually think Sakura could best someone like Neji or now that Hinata knows 64 Palms and was called a GF master Sakura only did surprise attacks and face puppets in long term CQC she doesn't have tecnique CES isn't a taijutsu again you keep on saying show me the proof as if they fought before but all the data is here.... what counter do they have? what move other then punching the ground could they do? they also have the bloody byakugan your pushing it here with her denail

Tsunade was rusty. Not relevant. The rest isn't even argument. You are making statements. None of this shows how or why Neji and especially Hinata beat these two in close quarters. That's why you keep on hanging on to skill, bringing up a rusty Tsunade while ignoring her performance onwards and using overall bad logic.

The data is not there. You posted scans of kids fighting as if it proves anything. Please come back to reality for a second and just admit that you don't make sense.

 

[KidGamer65]

again actually READ the manga


heck READ MY OP

you never refuted anything when you just say well Tsunade and Sakura are better in Taijutsu


is Madara a taijutsu pro, was Madara even serious?!

He was using this Susanoo a bigger thing to do the attacks and he was abusing his edo tensei

if Madara was serious he would just stop them quickly.... he would also not allow a hit and use as much precog and skill as possible

There is nothing to refute. Sakura and Tsunade's feats are superior, especially Tsunade's. I don't care if Madara was serious. What's next? You are going to argue that Neji, Hiashi and Hinata>5 V3 Susanoo clones in close quarters? Lmao you fanboys need to chill.

 

[To Whatever]

I am saying a Medic and a Taijtsu user fighting isn't even suppose to happen since they are different classes

it is just due to the overall reach that is Sakura vs Hinata we get some silliness


Sakura vs Hinata in healing and medical stuff? Sakura wins

Hinata is a sensor that happens to know GF

Sakura is a medic that happens to know CES


Both are adequate in CQC but that's not their trade. Neither are supposed to be on the front lines.


They're supports that can defend themselves.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Tsunade was rusty. Not relevant. The rest isn't even argument. You are making statements. None of this shows how or why Neji and especially Hinata beat these two in close quarters. That's why you keep on hanging on to skill, bringing up a rusty Tsunade while ignoring her performance onwards and using overall bad logic.

The data is not there. You posted scans of kids fighting as if it proves anything. Please come back to reality for a second and just admit that you don't make sense.

I can play the same logic to you

I showcased my arguement

they are trained since birth in Taijutsu, they learn to parry and wait for an opening... Tsunade is a medic

if you think she or her underling Sakura can best a master of the GF then your wrong

and when they find an opening they strike

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[Reviewing Logic]

your the one without the foothold

show me a Taijutsu feat


show me a martial fight of a CES user that is an actual fight that has parrying, speed, and countering that isn't puppets being controlled by one dude who doesn't know taijutsu


The GF was stated via the manga as one of the strongest Taijutsu styles in the leaf

its feats are always viewed and expressed in the manga view a taijutsu lense

talking about accuracy, parrying, speed, precog, etc....


CES is only talked about its strength not its taijutsu style


never did someone praise CES for its taijutsu

never was CES shown to outsmart a taijutsu focused fight against someone skilled in taijutsu


instaed they punch the ground or punch a inmate object like a puppet or Susanoo

to big to dodge

to lifeless to actually think and move beyond a human externally controlling the vehicle that is in combat be it a puppet or Susanoo

that and sometimes they are just literally playing around

 

[Made in Heaven]

You're not going to get anywhere with the fool who thinks the girl who got knocked out by a bridge would beat the guy who blasted the Juubi's hand sky-high.

 

[Team7monaa]

You're not going to get anywhere with the fool who thinks the girl who got knocked out by a bridge would beat the guy who blasted the Juubi's hand sky-high.

Like this same guy didn't get his ass ****ed by a zetsu behind him, miss me with your BS please.

 

[To Whatever]

You're not going to get anywhere with the fool who thinks the girl who got knocked out by a bridge would beat the guy who blasted the Juubi's hand sky-high.

They could say the same about her tripping.

You'll say she was tired

They'll say Sakura was caught off guard


Bickering ensues..

 

[To Whatever]

Like this same guy didn't get his ass ****ed by a zetsu behind him, miss me with your BS please.

You literally said BS in your post and yet you request someone else to stop with the BS.

Lead by example.

 

[Reraru]

Nice read. I wonder if this thread will last tho. Good luck.

 

[KidGamer65]

I can play the same logic to you

I showcased my arguement

they are trained since birth in Taijutsu, they learn to parry and wait for an opening... Tsunade is a medic

if you think she or her underling Sakura can best a master of the GF then your wrong

and when they find an opening they strike

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No you didn't. "Tsunade is a medic thus she can't win against someone who trained in Taijutsu since birth" is not a valid argument.

your the one without the foothold

show me a Taijutsu feat


show me a martial fight of a CES user that is an actual fight that has parrying, speed, and countering that isn't puppets being controlled by one dude who doesn't know taijutsu


The GF was stated via the manga as one of the strongest Taijutsu styles in the leaf

its feats are always viewed and expressed in the manga view a taijutsu lense

talking about accuracy, parrying, speed, precog, etc....


CES is only talked about its strength not its taijutsu style


never did someone praise CES for its taijutsu

never was CES shown to outsmart a taijutsu focused fight against someone skilled in taijutsu


instaed they punch the ground or punch a inmate object like a puppet or Susanoo

to big to dodge

to lifeless to actually think and move beyond a human externally controlling the vehicle that is in combat be it a puppet or Susanoo

that and sometimes they are just literally playing around

Don't need to. Tsunade has better feats in close combat than any Hyuga and a better Taijutsu stat. Sakura w/o Byakugo Seal has better speed and evasion feats than Hinata and her Taijutsu score is .5 below Hinata's. That ends this argument right here unless you are going to tell me that taking on a Hyuga is harder than taking on 5 Susanoo clones from Edo Madara or unless you are willing to explain how they beat 2 people with better speed feats, superior physical capabilities and large area of effect attacks. "CES is not a style" is not an argument. "Taijutsu master" is not an argument.

 

[Yahcob13]

Gwntle Fist solos

 

[KidGamer65]

Posting the same scans of PTS Neji and Hinata gets you no points either.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

No you didn't. "Tsunade is a medic thus she can't win against someone who trained in Taijutsu since birth" is not a valid argument.




Don't need to. Tsunade has better feats in close combat than any Hyuga. That ends this argument right here unless you are going to tell me that taking on a Hyuga is harder than taking on 5 Susanoo clones from Edo Madara. "CES is not a style" is not an argument. "Taijutsu master" is not an argument.

a) Madara was playing around
b) Madara was using Susanoo's to fight so like puppet combat rather then himself doing CAQC
c) Susanoo's are bigger in size and are easier targets
d) the prime reason for Susanoo is to tank attacks not to dodge shit... it is a shield
e) even then Madara stabbed and hit Tsunade...



so Tsunade doing CQC to a GF master who is actually dodging and parrying... not tanking CES hits and just taking it all in

and a GF attack means good bye chakra points

which means good bye expelling CES



and yes a GF master is better then Tsunade in Taijutsu.... Tsunade wasn't praised for her martial skills but her overall power and medical/healing abilities

 

[Team7monaa]

You literally said BS in your post and yet you request someone else to stop with the BS.

Lead by example.

How was it BS if one of the most talented hyuuga's with pre-cognition and 360 vision couldn't sense an average speed white zetsu? Yeah ofc

 

[KidGamer65]

a) Madara was playing around
b) Madara was using Susanoo's to fight so like puppet combat rather then himself doing CAQC
c) Susanoo's are bigger in size and are easier targets
d) the prime reason for Susanoo is to tank attacks not to dodge shit... it is a shield
e) even then Madara stabbed and hit Tsunade...



so Tsunade doing CQC to a GF master who is actually dodging and parrying... not tanking CES hits and just taking it all in

and a GF attack means good bye chakra points

which means good bye expelling CES



and yes a GF master is better then Tsunade in Taijutsu.... Tsunade wasn't praised for her martial skills but her overall power and medical/healing abilities

1. Irrelevant. Not serious Madara>>>>>Your favorites.
2. Irrelevant. 5 Susanoo Clones, which the Gokage all fought>>>>>Your favorites.
3. Irrelevant. Susanoo are also stronger, with a wider range and lethal attacks.
4. Irrelevant. Susanoo is meant to be offense and defense rolled into one.

5 Susanoo Clones>>>>Neji, Hinata or Hiashi. That's a fact. I don't care if Neji and the rest are more nimble and better at evasion. That's one advantage while Susanoo has many more advantages.

5. Irrelevant, because again, 5 Susanoo Clones>>>>>Listed Hyuga. Madara>>>>>>>>Neji, Hiashi and Hinata combined x 3.

A Gentle Fist attack does not mean "Good bye chakra points". 64 palms=good bye chakra points, but of course there isn't any valid argumentation that leads me to believe they'll ever land 64 palms.

I don't really care about your opinion in the bold. Kishimoto gave Tsunade a higher score than Neji and Hinata. If you have a problem send him a fan mail and work out your issue with him. The feats also agree, which is why Tsunade can go against 5 clones and not die while Neji and/or Hinata get one shotted by just a single clone. :lol

So far all you've done is say "parry, dodge, taijutsu master" over and over without looking at each person's actual feats. Your argument isn't going to go anywhere like this buddy.