A can't be put under a genjutsu, Madara is just an exception

[Negative Knight]

this has been blown out of proportions

Bogard you make too many threads like this, they are either trolling, of quality or stating manga statements made by any and every character

To be honest Zetsu said Itachi is invincible, it still isn't true as with many character statements

 

[Bogard]

Well then to put it simply, Sasuke's Sharingan is no Match for A... Okay?

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It's another version? Cuz he doesn't say the same thing on my pic :shrug:

this has been blown out of proportions

Bogard you make too many threads like this, they are either trolling, of quality or stating manga statements made by any and every character

To be honest Zetsu said Itachi is invincible, it still isn't true as with many character statements

Like what? It's the first thread talking about A or even Madara today :shrug:

 

[Negative Knight]

It's another version? Cuz he doesn't say the same thing on my pic :shrug:
Like what? It's the first thread talking about A or even Madara today :shrug:

oh i'm talking about different statements made in the manga nothing to do with these particular characters, cant be asked to get evidence right now

Your serious posts are awesome man, your trolls can be funny but these manga statements usually cause people to flame due to many factors coming into play.

 

[Nikes]

I'm waiting!!! xd




A himself called it measly, shut up please? It's measly because it's a BASIC sharingan Genjutsu, Kakashi, Itachi and Sasuke ALL possess it. That was my point. A is not immune to anything, be quiet.

So aggressive dude. Chill.

But basic sharingan genjutsu strength varys from person to person, and Madara being the strongest Uchiha should have a pretty damn strong basic genjutsu.

Madara is an exception to A's genjutsu immunity.

 

[Bogard]

oh i'm talking about different statements made in the manga nothing to do with these particular characters, cant be asked to get evidence right now

Your serious posts are awesome man, your trolls can be funny but these manga statements usually cause people to flame due to many factors coming into play.

Ofc but i'm only trying to show that normally A should not have been put under a genjutsu even if it was Madaras. If genjutsu really works like Jiraya says, being able to stimulate your cranial nerves all the time thanks to lightning armour should have make him immune to genjutsus in principe.

And the problem to that is that there are 2statement who go in that way. Against Sasuke he says "i can't be caught by something like the sharingan" and against Madara he clearly identify himself by someone different to others since he says "i, of all people have been put under a sharingan genjutsu". Why will he say "i of all people", why will he identify himself as someone different from others in this circumstance?

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

That makes no sense at all. He was immobile at that time, so how could he talk about "tracking capabilities" if he is "immobile" so easy to be seen? And look at Sasuke. It's obvious he was trying genjutsu just by judging his look and his handseals. And directly after that Raikage replies it's useless refering to what he wanted to do

Then why does he say "i, of all people have been put under a genjutsu?" He clearly identify himself by someone different from other people and that normally genjutsu wouldn't have worked

Again he is normally too fast to be put in genjutsu. In order to put someone in a genjutsu, you need to implant your chakra into them. This is difficult with an extremely fast moving target. The fact that he was captured and placed in a genjutsu was surprising to him

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Ofc but i'm only trying to show that normally A should not have been put under a genjutsu even if it was Madaras. If genjutsu really works like Jiraya says, being able to stimulate your cranial nerves all the time thanks to lightning armour should have make him immune to genjutsus in principe.

And the problem to that is that there are 2statement who go in that way. Against Sasuke he says "i can't be caught by something like the sharingan" and against Madara he clearly identify himself by someone different to others since he says "i, of all people have been put under a sharingan genjutsu". Why will he say "i of all people", why will he identify himself by someone different?

Just because lightning armor stimulates the nervous system doesn't mean it makes one immune to genjutsu. It should be the exact opposite infact. It would make the genjutsu take effect more quickly if one is caught in it.

His first statement is solely speaking of sharingan. When one speaks of just sharingan they refer to its movement tracking abilities. His second statement explicitly talked about the sharingan genjutsu. You are reading too far into what he is saying.

 

[ll BL4CKM00N ll]

I don't think he's necessarily immune to genjustu. He just has the best defenses for sharingan base genjustu, which makes it highly difficult to capture him in a sharingan base genjustu regardless of eye contact. When he says me of all people caught in genjustu it doesn't mean he's invincible or Madara is an exception, it regarding to the fact that even with his raiton armor and high resistance to sharingan, that out of the other kages in that battle he was the one captured by genjustu. Also Sasuke using base sharingan and also being the weakest genjustu user among the uchiha that we've seen, IMO its not illogical to say that Sasuke was not skilled or experienced enough to capture A using sharingan.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

It's another version? Cuz he doesn't say the same thing on my pic :shrug:

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[MetalDuck]

Jesus Christ, Bogard. Are you brain dead? Or can you just not read?

It is all VERY ****ing simple! Sasuke wasn't skilled/strong enough to catch A in a genjutsu. Madara, however WAS skilled/strong enough. End of story.

Why are you so set on proving that Kishi made some kind of mistake, or contradiction? He didn't. I don't know how to put it any easier than that. A didn't lie. A was UNABLE to be caught by SASUKE'S Sharingan. Madara's, however, was more than capable. Which surprised A. He didn't think that any Sharingan user would be skilled/strOng enough to catch him. Then he met Madara. He was so surprised that "he, of all people" was put under a Sharingan genjutsu. Him, with all his strength, and speed. It was written to impress upon how skilled/strong Madara is compared to Sasuke, or any other Uchiha.

What don't you get? Do you just want to be told that you're right? If that's the case, then you're shot out of luck. You are not right. It wasn't a mistake by the author, or by A. It wasn't a contradiction.

So shut the **** up. You seek brain dead.

 

[Bogard]

Just because lightning armor stimulates the nervous system doesn't mean it makes one immune to genjutsu. It should be the exact opposite infact. It would make the genjutsu take effect more quickly if one is caught in it.

His first statement is solely speaking of sharingan. When one speaks of just sharingan they refer to its movement tracking abilities. His second statement explicitly talked about the sharingan genjutsu. You are reading too far into what he is saying.

No you don't understand. When it stimulate nervous system it's in order to make him react faster against something and avoid it, so that has nothing to do with what you're saying

 

[-Logic-]

This guy is ill... in the head. Just leave him be guys.

 

[Nikes]

Jesus Christ, Bogard. Are you brain dead? Or can you just not read?

It is all VERY ****ing simple! Sasuke wasn't skilled/strong enough to catch A in a genjutsu. Madara, however WAS skilled/strong enough. End of story.

Why are you so set on proving that Kishi made some kind of mistake, or contradiction? He didn't. I don't know how to put it any easier than that. A didn't lie. A was UNABLE to be caught by SASUKE'S Sharingan. Madara's, however, was more than capable. Which surprised A. He didn't think that any Sharingan user would be skilled/strOng enough to catch him. Then he met Madara. He was so surprised that "he, of all people" was put under a Sharingan genjutsu. Him, with all his strength, and speed. It was written to impress upon how skilled/strong Madara is compared to Sasuke, or any other Uchiha.

What don't you get? Do you just want to be told that you're right? If that's the case, then you're shot out of luck. You are not right. It wasn't a mistake by the author, or by A. It wasn't a contradiction.

So shut the **** up. You seek brain dead.

Sasukes sharingan was strong enough to break Tsukuyomi bro.

Just not as strong as the STRONGEST Uchihas genjutsu.

And that is what he is saying, A is immune with exception of Madaras genjutsu.

You should expect nothing less from the strongest Uchiha.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

No you don't understand. When it stimulate nervous system it's in order to make him react faster against something and avoid it, so that has nothing to do with what you're saying

It allows his synapses to fire quicker in succession. So he is able to receive and process stimuli quicker. That stimuli could also be the input of genjutsu information.

Ay isn't normally able to be captured in genjutsu because he is so fast that it doesn't allow his opponent enough time to place their genjutsu on him.

 

[Dantee]

Obviously people got all technical when A had lightning armour. Madara proved it wrong. A can be caught in genjutusu just like everyone else.

Let it go noobs

 

[-Broly-]

Sasukes sharingan was strong enough to break Tsukuyomi bro.

Just not as strong as the STRONGEST Uchihas genjutsu.

And that is what he is saying, A is immune with exception of Madaras genjutsu.

You should expect nothing less from the strongest Uchiha.

no it wasnt it was his sharingan + curse mark
madara didnt even use a strong genjutsu it was just a regular sharingan genjutsu
itachi, the genjutsu master could easily catch him in tsukiyomi or any of his other genjutsu most likely

 

[MetalDuck]

There is no ****ing exception! He is not immune to Sharingan-based genjutsu. Sasuke wasn't skilled/strong enough to catch him! It has repeatedly been implied and stated that Sasuke's weakest area IS genjutsu. What is the ****ing argument?

I am NOT calling Sasuke weak or untalented. In ANY way. I recognize and appreciate his strength. I really do. This whole thing just goes to show just how impressive Madara is. The fact that a highly adept, strong, and talented Sharingan user like Sasuke was unable to take advantage of the Sharingan's abilities (be it genjutsu, speed, imitation, et all) against A, but Madara WAS able to just shows how far above any other Uchiha is.

I realize what Bogard and others are saying. I know A wasn't talking about JUST genjutsu with Sasuke. But it doesn't make it a mistake, or contradiction.

A IS SO IMPRESSIVE THAT SASUKE WASN'T ABLE TO SHARINGAN-RAPE HIM, BUT MADARA WAS ABLE TO. A WAS SO IMPRESSED BY IT, BECAUAE HE BELIVED THAT HE WAS TOO FAST/STRONG TO BE EFFECTED BY THE SHARINGAN, BUT HE WAS WRONG!

Madara is NOT an exception. A is NOT immune to anything. It just means that he believed he was, but that ANYBODY of Madara's level can Sharingan-rape him. Not specifically Madara. Not because of some DNA, or other bullshit. If Sasuke were as skilled/strong as Madara, THEN HE COULD HAVE SHARINGAN-RAPED A, TOO!!!

 

[Bogard]

It allows his synapses to fire quicker in succession. So he is able to receive and process stimuli quicker. That stimuli could also be the input of genjutsu information.

Ay isn't normally able to be captured in genjutsu because he is so fast that it doesn't allow his opponent enough time to place their genjutsu on him.

I know what you're trying to say about synapses but i don't think it works like that. The synapses are there to transfer information directly in the brain. Genjutsu is there to take control of the brain and for that it links synapses of the nervous system. So in our case, if Itachi tries a genjutsu on A, what i'm saying is that when the nerv receive the information, it gives information to the brain even before the genjutsu reach it and that helps A to know what is happening and that helps him to react faster. That's how i think it works

Think genjutsu is like ninjutsu and you will see what i'm saying

 

[MetalDuck]

So, basically, you are claiming that Kishi, and everybody else is incorrect becauae of a THEORY you have on the way something that YOU didn't write works? You're flat out ASSUMING how genjutsu and A's Raiton armour works in regards to synapsis/brain signals. Something that hasn't been explicitly explained. And it's a fictional story. Nobody is saying that you're theory doesn't make sense. To me, it does.

But YOU'RE theory doesn't make Kishi wrong. Read my last post. That is why A said those things.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

I know what you're trying to say about synapses but i don't think it works like that. The synapses are there to transfer information directly in the brain. Genjutsu is there to take control of the brain and for that it links synapses of the nervous system. So in our case, if Itachi tries a genjutsu on A, what i'm saying is that when the nerv receive the information, it gives information to the brain even before the genjutsu reach it and that helps A to know what is happening and that helps him to react faster. That's how i think it works

Think genjutsu is like ninjutsu and you will see what i'm saying

Genjutsu is not like ninjutsu, that is why they have two separate categories.

Synapses transfer information throughout the body. When the genjutsu hits the Raikage, it transfers the information the user of the genjutsu wants along with or even instead of the actual information the body senses. The genjutsu info and regular info don't travel at different speeds or varying rates because they travel on the same nervous system. That is why Ay was able to be caught in a genjutsu by Madara. Madara stopped his movement and looked into his eyes long enough to place his genjutsu and disturb his NS. This is also the only time the Raikage commented on genjutsu hitting him, when his movement was restrained. When Raikage was fighting Sasuke and co, he just said the sharingan isn't enough to handle him, talking about his speed vs the sharingan's perception.