[Theory] A Big Twist is Coming in Naruto

[NarutoKage2]

I made a thread giving an explanation of the timeline. While your thread is interesting, theres a problem. The tobi that attacked konoha had the same abilities as obito, so he was obito. In fact, in the current timeline every time tobi has been shown he was obito, cuz he used the same powers. And the biggest flaw is that kisame recognised short and long haired tobi to be the same.

 

[-S-]

I made a thread giving an explanation of the timeline. While your thread is interesting, theres a problem. The tobi that attacked konoha had the same abilities as obito, so he was obito. In fact, in the current timeline every time tobi has been shown he was obito, cuz he used the same powers. And the biggest flaw is that kisame recognised short and long haired tobi to be the same.

The Tobi that attacked Konoha, is Obito whether the fans like it or not.

The long-haired Madara however, is someone else, however, the Kisame situation does mess things up.

I'm waiting to see what Kishimoto has to say to be honest.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

yes, as far i can tell, there is no problem getting back from dead in narutoverse xd so another masked man is.. IZUNA AND MAdara and after madara died izuna did what we've been seeing so far and here he is with obitos body. flame if you want, i go to shower and grab cup of coffee afterwards

The only problem with this is that it would mean Madara is dumb. He could have used his knowledge of Edo Tensei as a failsafe. Potential Scenario: Madara ET's Izuna, Izuna releases himself, Madara attempts RT on Izuna, fails, dead now from chakra depletion. Izuna resurects Madara as ET, Madara releases himself. Madara has Izuna release his ET, tries again, still no luck. Oh well, resurrect Izuna using ET again. Now were both here, I have two Rinnegan, and we both have infinite chakra. Now where is that stupid Nagato kid?

 

[thegame]

Problem is that people just assume obito is tobi cause the chapter was labelled obito uchiha, and cause it was one long flash back. However, Kishi could as well has done all this to tell us that it isn't Obito. He didn't paint a picture of Obito as a person who grew up bound by hatred, but by love, dreams, and beliefs.

Also as you said regarding the time of which madara died, well nagato was born 6 years before kakashi in my calculations. Here is why:

After the 3 legendary sanins fought Hanzo, the 2nd ninja war ended. Jiraya stayed to train nagato, yahiko, and konan. At this time we would be right to assume they were very young, since the 2nd war didn't last very long, and nagatos parents were killed during it.

So Nagato is at least 6 years older than Kakashi, since kakashi was born as the 3rd war started, which was also the war, where Sakumo did the mission, where he valued his comrades over the mission, and later comitted suicide. We know that this happened 5 years before kakashis gaiden.

Assuming Obito and Kakashi was born at the same year, this means nagato had the rinnengan before Obito was even born. This means Madara was dead before Obito was even born, since Madara died as he awakened the rinnengan. This means Obito and Madara had no direct contact, whatsoever. Kishi said Tobi and Madara knew eachother. Fact is Tobi cannot be Obito, even if the last chapter said so.

Now I'm not mad if it's Obito, but then Kishi shouldn't have said in an interview that tobi and madara knew eachother. Maybe he just trolled us, I have no idea, but still annoys me. Hopefully he didn't, and we will find out tobi isn't obito in his state of mind, or that 2 tobis exist, as you stated.

 

[NarutoKage2]

The Tobi that attacked Konoha, is Obito whether the fans like it or not.

The long-haired Madara however, is someone else, however, the Kisame situation does mess things up.

I'm waiting to see what Kishimoto has to say to be honest.

Makes two of us. Im not advertising, but check out my thread, its possible kishi didnt mess up the timeline if nagato awoke the rinnegan on his own.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Problem is that people just assume obito is tobi cause the chapter was labelled obito uchiha, and cause it was one long flash back. However, Kishi could as well has done all this to tell us that it isn't Obito. He didn't paint a picture of Obito as a person who grew up bound by hatred, but by love, dreams, and beliefs.

Also as you said regarding the time of which madara died, well nagato was born 6 years before kakashi in my calculations. Here is why:

After the 3 legendary sanins fought Hanzo, the 2nd ninja war ended. Jiraya stayed to train nagato, yahiko, and konan. At this time we would be right to assume they were very young, since the 2nd war didn't last very long, and nagatos parents were killed during it.

So Nagato is at least 6 years older than Kakashi, since kakashi was born as the 3rd war started, which was also the war, where Sakumo did the mission, where he valued his comrades over the mission, and later comitted suicide. We know that this happened 5 years before kakashis gaiden.

Assuming Obito and Kakashi was born at the same year, this means nagato had the rinnengan before Obito was even born. This means Madara was dead before Obito was even born, since Madara died as he awakened the rinnengan. This means Obito and Madara had no direct contact, whatsoever. Kishi said Tobi and Madara knew eachother. Fact is Tobi cannot be Obito, even if the last chapter said so.

Now I'm not mad if it's Obito, but then Kishi shouldn't have said in an interview that tobi and madara knew eachother. Maybe he just trolled us, I have no idea, but still annoys me. Hopefully he didn't, and we will find out tobi isn't obito in his state of mind, or that 2 tobis exist, as you stated.

Read my thread possible explanation of the timeline, yiull find your answers there.

 

[Memoria]

The part about Madara's Rinnegan and that it was taken after his death makes sense to me, totally.

Thanks for this thread. +rep

 

[-S-]

The part about Madara's Rinnegan and that it was taken after his death makes sense to me, totally.

Thanks for this thread. +rep

Cheers man!

 

[-Logic-]

Nice work.

 

[Aze]

The one with the long hair can't be Madara, since he had died already according to the Nagato/Rinnegan situation.

There must be a twist of somekind for sure to clarify this situation.


If you ask me , i dont come up with no solution to it.


Maybe if no one can come up with a perfect solution = then the twist may lay somewhere in that situation.

Opinions?

 

[Draw]

i cannot f-cking wait till izuna is not involved w this plot at all and everyone just stfu.

 

[Edge]

I'm inclined to think it's two people, but this prevents me from doing so:

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Kisame recognizes both as one and the same. How can this be? :S

 

[BlackMuffin]

Maybe Tobi can "morph" or change appearance due to being comprised of Zetsu? Which would explain the possibility of Tobi not really being Obito...

Or a genjutsu, really only other explanation for how Kisame was able to recognize him. But I doubt the latter.

 

[Imperius]

are you a yoshi?
-hellz yeah

 

[Imperius]

The one with the long hair can't be Madara, since he had died already according to the Nagato/Rinnegan situation.

madara is long haired masked man
madara told obito about her plan
awoken rinnegan
gave to nagato
doesn't make sense?
yes it doesn't
your right sir

 

[Ninian]

Didn't I just explain that?

His Rinnegan belongs to him, but were originally Izuna's eyes.

If he was revived by the edo tensei with his Rinnegan, he must have died with them.

In which case, someone transplanted them after his death.

Not necessarily, Kishimoto never thoroughly followed this rule. If he had then Itachi would not have been resurrected with his eyes as Sasuke was clearly in possession of them. Though unclear, I believe it has something to do with the summoner of the Edo Tensei, and the DNA he possesses for each respectable summoning.

 

[jaykuhz]

Nice. +rep

 

[-S-]

Not necessarily, Kishimoto never thoroughly followed this rule. If he had then Itachi would not have been resurrected with his eyes as Sasuke was clearly in possession of them. Though unclear, I believe it has something to do with the summoner of the Edo Tensei, and the DNA he possesses for each respectable summoning.

What are you on about? Itachis eyes were transplanted after his death; therefore Itachi was brought back into the state just before his death with his eyes.

 

[Minator93]

If that's correct then its all good. But if not then Kishi's created another plot-hole U_U

 

[whatsupdealer]

Yes your absoluetly right, that makes sense.
however just because madara died before obito was born doesnt mean they don't have a connection.
Madara died long before nagato was born, but when he was revived it appeared he knew him when he said something like "that brat nagato was allowed to grow".:shrug:

Kishi is playing all of us:sy: