[Debate] 90% of current rap music/black entertainment needs to be eliminated?

[To Whatever]

Not to sound like a fanboy but thats 1 thing u gotta give drake and kanye credit for. Drake's been charting with rap for like a decade str8

The moment "Graduation" beat "Curtis". Kanye shifted the culture. Drake ran with it.

Travis Scott and other rappers idolize Ye' for that very reason.

They're not imho.

Don't ever play raido, it's simple. Radio is primarily for F-uck nighas.

If they aren't then you Lost. Zzz Stay sleep.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

The moment "Graduation" beat "Curtis". Kanye shifted the culture. Drake ran with it.

Travis Scott and other rappers idolize Ye' for that very reason.



If they aren't then you Lost. Zzz Stay sleep.

I don't usually listen to rap if it's not invoking a negative message cause the society made me that way

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I don't usually listen to rap if it's not invoking a negative message cause the society made me that way

Tribe called quest is negative? Ni&&a what?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Tribe called quest is negative? Ni&&a what?

Yeah the image of this happy, jazzy goofy shit that they put out is little too much. The youth needs authenticity

 

[Dreckerplayer]

There's nothing you can do about it. That's the reality.

get over it. And stop worrying about the black youth, you're no better, worry about yourself.

 

[Edogawa]

Rap is very shallow and materialistic; the message appeals to the youth particularly, whom constitute majority of the population, because everybody in their teenage years values money and ***. So there is a marketing strategy for rappers to sing about ***, money and drugs since it's appealing to their largest audience. And the music industry in general, which hip-hop is the most dominant genre, is worth billions worldwide; if you ban it because of the harmful messages it delivers, then the economy loses billions in result. Also, rap isn't the reason for crimes, poverty and poor education are.

 

[Leonard Uchiha]

Logic is biracial growing up with his mother calling him a ****** with the hard R.

What? All this time I thought he was white, like MGK and G-Eazy.

So you know Phora?

This dude:

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[Dreckerplayer]

Rap is very shallow and materialistic; the message appeals to the youth particularly, whom constitute majority of the population, because everybody in their teenage years values money and ***. So there is a marketing strategy for rappers to sing about ***, money and drugs since it's appealing to their largest audience. And the music industry in general, which hip-hop is the most dominant genre, is worth billions worldwide; if you ban it because of the harmful messages it delivers, then the economy loses billions in result. Also, rap isn't the reason for crimes, poverty and poor education are.

Well, because ***, money, drugs are REALITY.Sure it's shallow and materialistic.But that's why it appeals to them, because it's their REALITY.Things they can relate to. That's what these people are out here doing, for real.You don't even HAVE to listen to rap/hip hop music to get into those things, it's been around since even before hip hop.And if it influences them on a level that's dangerous, then they're simply angry kids that can't think for themselves. Don't blame music, cause I listen to it every now and then...and I pretty much did none of it as a teenager. no excuses. none.

And honest to god, SO WHAT if they don't care about education, you don't have to...those are just built american standards.You don't have to eat the sh*t that typical american culture feeds you. You do not have to.

Edit: People are just looking down on people cause they live in poverty, and cause they find no interest in what this unoriginal "education" has to offer.

 

[Lightbringer]

That isn't entirely true at all. Poverty obviously has effects however there are poor Polish neighborhoods in NY without half the crime black communities have. To say that music and other forms of entertainment plays no role is just ridiculous.

You're claiming that music makes people into thugs, but that's not ridiculous?

There's obviously more factors than just music and entertainment.

I've already had this argument more times than I can count. So I'm just going to ask you to do your own research on the matter and not make assumptions on "personal beliefs."

 

[Dreckerplayer]

You're claiming that music makes people into thugs, but that's not ridiculous?

There's obvioulsy more factors than just music and tv.

It's just one of the many presumptions and assumptions he has about life, in general. Full of stereotypes, as well. Trust me...

it's questionable as to where he even gets his information from, it sounds like pure stereotypes. Just doesn't make sense to me, how someone actually thinks like that.

 

[Lyke]

This nikka is the new Heni

 

[Fountain]

It's still music, and to each their own. But... I do think it's a shame that rap/hip hop and (or) pop is as popular and overrated as it is, especially when there is so much talent out there.

And yes, let me add that i do agree that this type of music is intoxicating the young. But it's really not the music fault or artists but rather the other adults who buy into it and parents who keep exposing that shit to their kids etc.

Or maybe not, bleh... Idk

Anyway, it's a shame and there's nothing i can do, that's all i have to say.

 

[Multiply]

Worst thread on NB to date.

 

[The Sentinel]

I personally believe that current rap music and a lot of the things we consider to be black entertainment is killing the community and making the black youth emulate behaviors that are rude, obnoxious, dangerous, criminal, and outright sabotage.

Rappers like Chief Keef, Tay-K, Playboi Carti, regardless of whether you like them or not, are having an influence on the youth to where they actually want to be just like these men. I personally believe these things need to be cut out and left behind, or at least consumed in moderation.

Any disagreements?

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No.

I will continue to post albums that I and most people that listen to them who are not even in to hip hop consider to be great albums that have received this much acclaim.

Definition of music is: Vocal/instrumentation sounds to express emotion.
Most people are so stupid that they'll honestly try to convince you that objectively, a form of entertainment is "bad" when they barely know anything about besides what they listened to on the radio.
You want to talk about the complexity of music= being the most enjoyable, then we would all be near deaf zombies from having to listen black metal.

Yes, I listened to radio head. I listened to Dark side of the moon, I'm a big fan of a lot of "rock" and metal bands that are not in the mainstream. UT I'm also a fan of a lot of kendricks songs, I like Nas, Jay Z, Earl sweatshirt, Mf doom etc.
Yes, there are plenty of (what I think) are brain dead, talentless rappers nowadays who I think don't say anything thought provoking or have any good unique production (lil uzi, lil pump, pretty much every body with "lil" before their name) BUT there are other rappers who put a lot of good messages in their lyrics but don't get nearly the amount of fame.

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[The Sentinel]

Rap is very shallow and materialistic; the message appeals to the youth particularly, whom constitute majority of the population, because everybody in their teenage years values money and ***. So there is a marketing strategy for rappers to sing about ***, money and drugs since it's appealing to their largest audience. And the music industry in general, which hip-hop is the most dominant genre, is worth billions worldwide; if you ban it because of the harmful messages it delivers, then the economy loses billions in result. Also, rap isn't the reason for crimes, poverty and poor education are.

Most Current main stream Hip hop, just like most current, rock, like most current pop.

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If hip hop is ultimately shallow, why did this album receive so much acclaim from non hip hop fans.

Also, why did this album have so many jazz artists and musicians featured on it.

Your argument is shallow

 

[Bacillus]

Yeah the image of this happy, jazzy goofy shit that they put out is little too much. The youth needs authenticity

socially conscious hiphop is great tho

hmm

what's more authentic for you? atmosphere?

 

[00Rinne]

Do I live in a real hood? I've been all over. Don't spin this as some bs narrative that you have to be from a place to appreciate rap.

Real rap?

Name your top 5 first of all. I'll give you time to hit up google for the safe answers. I grew up on everything my pops listened to. What my uncles and granddad listened to. That includes jazz and the blues and i'm only 21.

I know what the difference.



Shit is taking over pop now. Dont be surprised to see your fav rapper with katy perry or Bieber.

Check it fam! I mean no disrespect!...

I'm not talkin about jazz & blues or your family..

I've listen to rap for over 25 years bro, theses no need to list 5 top rapper I like. "Rap" of today is not what it was then an it still really hasn't change except for the time/era it's in..

Real rap died when the legends of what we call rap past.. ( I'll give you two you may know if you've listen to real rap.. Tupac Amaru Shakur & Christopher George Lattore Wallace 96/97 toe tags)

Even then they talked about the same things of today in their era.. It hasn't changed except for the fact that they were hungry an didn't have what's there in today's society.. Real rap, Hungry..

Evolving in rap means it's not rap.. Today we get harmonizing in a rap tone, not rap but hip-hip or somethin else entirely, not the same.. Real rappess know that in order to do what they do they can't sign unless they have clout in their ambitions to sale. Real rappers know that mixtapes is what gets them their bread because of corporations that want the dumb down jive they feed today..

(Cassidy from Philli is a beast along wit Papoose from NY but they cant do that real rap in todays dumbness which is why they are backburnered)

It's change since those times but some factors still remain.. It's just dumber than it was 20 years ago with the same outcome..
(Trouble for our community)

These things where I'm at are discussed all the time an it leads back to poverty & low education of our youth.. Misguided imbeciles is what one of my OG's would say..

& you didn't answer my question..

 

[Team7monaa]

Rap music isn't my cup of tea, but it's themes always seem to involve drug use, or/and degrading of woman. It's themes are probably why it's casted in such a negative light, and it's true it's 2017 you can't refer to woman as "hoes" and rappers should be aware that their music may reach a demographic it wasn't targeted too and until that happens it will remain infamous. Indie pop/alternative/dream-pop/soul are much better genres and usually aren't as promiscuous.

 

[To Whatever]

Check it fam! I mean no disrespect!...

I'm not talkin about jazz & blues or your family..

I've listen to rap for over 25 years bro, theses no need to list 5 top rapper I like. "Rap" of today is not what it was then an it still really hasn't change except for the time/era it's in..

Real rap died when the legends of what we call rap past.. ( I'll give you two you may know if you've listen to real rap.. Tupac Amaru Shakur & Christopher George Lattore Wallace 96/97 toe tags)

Even then they talked about the same things of today in their era.. It hasn't changed except for the fact that they were hungry an didn't have what's there in today's society.. Real rap, Hungry..

Evolving in rap means it's not rap.. Today we get harmonizing in a rap tone, not rap but hip-hip or somethin else entirely, not the same.. Real rappess know that in order to do what they do they can't sign unless they have clout in their ambitions to sale. Real rappers know that mixtapes is what gets them their bread because of corporations that want the dumb down jive they feed today..

(Cassidy from Philli is a beast along wit Papoose from NY but they cant do that real rap in todays dumbness which is why they are backburnered)

It's change since those times but some factors still remain.. It's just dumber than it was 20 years ago with the same outcome..
(Trouble for our community)

These things where I'm at are discussed all the time an it leads back to poverty & low education of our youth.. Misguided imbeciles is what one of my OG's would say..

& you didn't answer my question..

I was with you until you mentioned cassidy..


Whether I lived in a real hood before? That question is trite. They ask you and when you tell them were you from they give you that bs "oh then you should understand where i'm coming from"

Nah, not everybody feel the same way just because they grew up in project housing.

That question is just like asking someone online if they're black. You either know or you don't. Anybody can false claim that shit.