[VS] 7th Gate Guy vs Hashirama

[KingHashirama]

Wood clone GG?

 

[KidGamer65]

Both of those scans don't show the sound barrier being broken. The first time we saw that was when Gai went 6G and we saw a sonic boom while he blitzed Kisame.

Then what is that?

And there was no sonic boom shown when he blitzed Kisame.

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None of that shows any kind of sonic boom. Just the sfx "boom", which doesn't indicate a Sonic Boom regardless.

 

[Ababeel]

Base Madara is comparable to Base Hashirama, and Base Madara blitzed SM Naruto. Hashirama reacted to Kurama's Bijuu Dama, which crossed a whole ocean in a matter of seconds. Pretty sure he can clap his hands before Gai, someone on Ay's speed level, can cross 30 meters and pound him into the ground.

Naruto was not even moving or fighting in that scan. -_____-
it's like base Lee fodderizing Edo Madara with one kick. By your logic, since Gai is faster than Lee even in base, he would
speedlitze Hashirama in the 6th Gate.

Or why does that only apply to Madara/Hashirama, but not the others?

 

[Touken]

Then what is that?

And there was no sonic boom shown when he blitzed Kisame.

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None of that shows any kind of sonic boom. Just the sfx "boom", which doesn't indicate a Sonic Boom regardless.

Yes the SFX does show it was a sonic boom. The whole fight indicated Gai was moving at hyper sonic speeds with the whole punches creating friction with air and producing flames and the SFX. They're all signs of moving past the speed of sound, while there is literally no way to judge how fast Iron Sand is from that Sasori scan alone.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto was not even moving or fighting in that scan. -_____-

You don't have to be moving to get blitzed. Him not fighting is irrelevant.

it's like base Lee fodderizing Edo Madara with one kick. By your logic, since Gai is faster than Lee even in base, he would
sppeblitze Hashirama in the 6th Gate.

Edo Madara had no reason to dodge. He can regenerate. And the whole alliance was coming for him, so he'd be wise to escape regardless. Inb4 you say its the same with Naruto, Edo Madara already proved he can react to people faster than Lee, that's why this is valid. Naruto hasn't, and panels show him getting blitzed so I have no reason to believe he wasn't blitzed.

Or why does that only apply to Madara/Hashirama, but not the others?

Lol, Don't start.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes the SFX does show it was a sonic boom. The whole fight indicated Gai was moving at hyper sonic speeds with the whole punches creating friction with air and producing flames and the SFX. They're all signs of moving past the speed of sound, while there is literally no way to judge how fast Iron Sand is from that Sasori scan alone.

A "boom" sound doesn't automatically mean it was a sonic boom. A Sonic Boom isn't the only thing in the universe that makes a boom sound, thus you can't say that it was a Sonic Boom. Sonic Booms occur in the air anyway, Gai was on the ground when that panel was shown. Gai punching fast enough to create flame isn't a sign of Gai being able to Shunshin faster than the speed of sound, since when was it even an indicator of surpassing the speed of sound?

Gai's Shunshin speed is not as fast as his striking speed. Pretty clear from manga panels, so even if Asa Kujaku is him moving faster than sound, it doesn't mean he'll move from point A to point B faster than Sound.

That scan shows something that looks like its being smashed through, which I could have sworn is the sound barrier. If that is the Sound Barrier, then we know its faster than sound. If its not, then what was that?

 

[LuckyMan]

Base Madara is comparable to Base Hashirama, and Base Madara blitzed SM Naruto. Hashirama reacted to Kurama's Bijuu Dama, which crossed a whole ocean in a matter of seconds. Pretty sure he can clap his hands before Gai, someone on Ay's speed level, can cross 30 meters and pound him into the ground.

You see, you're power scaling and that still falls under the category of speculation. If I were to do that it would be like me saying, Kakuzu is comparable to base Hashirama since he fought Hashirama and didn't die against him so he is also comparable to Madara in reactions and fight speeds, so he also blitzes SM Naruto too, regardless of the actual feats he has shown.

Kyuubi had to charge its BD and his "reaction" was gaining some distance to summon the Rashomon Gates. He was already on the run way before Kyuubi even began to charge up the BD. That feat isn't all hat great either when we consider Gyuki reacted and ducked the Jubi Laser when it was first shot at him.

 

[KidGamer65]

You see, you're power scaling and that still falls under the category of speculation. If I were to do that it would be like me saying, Kakuzu is comparable to base Hashirama since he fought Hashirama and didn't die against him so he is also comparable to Madara in reactions and fight speeds, so he also blitzes SM Naruto too, regardless of the actual feats he has shown.

Base Madara and Base Hashirama are shown clashing and stalemating in CQC. Kakuzu wasn't, so your example doesn't hold.

Kyuubi had to charge its BD and his "reaction" was gaining some distance to summon the Rashomon Gates. He was already on the run way before Kyuubi even began to charge up the BD. That feat isn't all hat great either when we consider Gyuki reacted and ducked the Jubi Laser when it was first shot at him.

Irrelevant. Hashirama stopped, BD was fired, and he reacted. Him charging it isn't relevant as it doesn't change the fact that he reacted. His reaction was summoning the Rashomon Gates.

-Hashirama moving before he began charging is irrelevant cause I never said he evaded, just that he reacted.

-Killer B isn't slow, so why isn't it a good feat?

 

[RustledJimmies]

Are we really questioning Hashi's victory here ?

 

[Haizaki]

Hashi wins for sure. Not debatable.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Hashirama stomps, and he has the speed to blitz SM Naruto like Madara did, so he is not getting blitzed by the Might Guy.

 

[Yocolaw]

HOW **** WILL HASHIRAMA DODGE THIS.

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BTW CHECK THE BOOKS GAIS FLAMING FIST TO ANT NORMAL MAN IS INSTANT DEATH

 

[Yocolaw]

HOW the **** WILL HASHIRAMA DODGE THIS.look at the terrain when he fights

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BTW CHECK THE BOOKS GAIS FLAMING FIST TO ANT NORMAL MAN IS INSTANT DEATH

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Spoiler

HOW the **** WILL HASHIRAMA DODGE THIS.look at the terrain when he fights

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BTW CHECK THE BOOKS GAIS FLAMING FIST TO ANT NORMAL MAN IS INSTANT DEATH

Madara was effortlessly parrying his attacks, and the only reason he got in so close was because he immediately charged in upon release (the release made Madara cover his eyes). Besides, I never said he could dodge 7th Gates Gai, I merely said he won't get blitzed, big difference.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Hashirama stomps him,

No he doesn't.

Wood Golem stomps him. Literally

 

[ARGUS]

No he doesn't.

Wood Golem stomps him. Literally

ok?
Hashirama uses the wood golem, so i dont see what ur on about here

 

[Eternal Sage]

ok?
Hashirama uses the wood golem, so i dont see what ur on about here

:[ It's a bad joke. Cause you know. It's a giant golem. That literally stomps Gai

 

[Conspirator.]

Hashirama stomps.

-He kept up with EMS madara w/sharingan precog in a CQC bout in base mode. Blind madara(w/o sharingan precog or sage mode), nearly blitzed SM naruto. Hence he isn't getting blitzed by Gai.
-Mokuton Hobi tanks hirudora, since it's outer layer easily withstood the power of a bijuu dama.
- Eventually, Hashirama tanks his attacks, and whe Gai starts to tire from the 7th gate, heuses FTW to put gai to sleep, and then finishes him off with Wood dragon which sucks him dry and kills him. Or he just uses wood golem(which played ping pong with the kyuubi) to outright overpower him.

 

[Rιver]

A "boom" sound doesn't automatically mean it was a sonic boom. A Sonic Boom isn't the only thing in the universe that makes a boom sound, thus you can't say that it was a Sonic Boom. Sonic Booms occur in the air anyway, Gai was on the ground when that panel was shown. Gai punching fast enough to create flame isn't a sign of Gai being able to Shunshin faster than the speed of sound, since when was it even an indicator of surpassing the speed of sound?

Gai's Shunshin speed is not as fast as his striking speed. Pretty clear from manga panels, so even if Asa Kujaku is him moving faster than sound, it doesn't mean he'll move from point A to point B faster than Sound.

That scan shows something that looks like its being smashed through, which I could have sworn is the sound barrier. If that is the Sound Barrier, then we know its faster than sound. If its not, then what was that?

Yes the SFX does show it was a sonic boom. The whole fight indicated Gai was moving at hyper sonic speeds with the whole punches creating friction with air and producing flames and the SFX. They're all signs of moving past the speed of sound, while there is literally no way to judge how fast Iron Sand is from that Sasori scan alone.

Sasuke moved faster than sound in CM mode. End of discussion.

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[LuckyMan]

Base Madara and Base Hashirama are shown clashing and stalemating in CQC. Kakuzu wasn't, so your example doesn't hold.

If you're referring to the scan where they jumped off Kyuubi/Wood Golem and attacked with their swords under the moon then that example doesn't even hold because you don't know where they started and the distance they went. All you know is that they met and clashed at a certain point but if you don't know the distance they went and where they started from then you can't say they are equals. If anything, that feat only shows their physical strength is equal since one couldn't overpower the other.

Irrelevant. Hashirama stopped, BD was fired, and he reacted. Him charging it isn't relevant as it doesn't change the fact that he reacted. His reaction was summoning the Rashomon Gates. Hashirama moving before he began charging is irrelevant cause I never said he evaded, just that he reacted.

Correct, his reaction was summoning the Rashomon Gates, now how does that reaction mean he can react to AT or even Gais blitz.

Killer B isn't slow, so why isn't it a good feat?

Because a large creature like Gyuki reacted and evaded something that was arguably going at a higher speed than Kuramas BD. Hes a large target and it was harder for him to evade especially since it was in concentrated continuous laser form. Hashirama is a tiny target and couldn't evade, he summoned the gates to change its trajectory instead.

I just don't consider it a good feat when the fodder alliance shinobi all reacted and put up Earth Walls to the Jubis Max Dama.