7th Gai's speed > Full LRA Armour Ay's speed.

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I disagree, Raikage is the fastest ninja barring naruto, the explanation of the techs are up to the readers interpretation, but lightning armor isn't peak prowess, it's far beyond that. Kishi has all but said through his own mouth that when it comes to speed, A is the one to beat.
 

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I disagree. The gates are overrated. People started listing Gai in top 10 just because of Hirodura. I never saw Gai display any immense increase in speed by using the 7th gate. The gates increases a persons tajutsu capabilities. This has nothing to do with speed... Speed is something you need, to make your tajutsu useful.

Please don't tell me you just said that there isn't a speed increase. Have you forgotten even just Lee vs Gaara? Lee's speed was through the roof, even the wiki mentions over and over about speed increases. :D

I disagree, Raikage is the fastest ninja barring naruto, the explanation of the techs are up to the readers interpretation, but lightning armor isn't peak prowess, it's far beyond that. Kishi has all but said through his own mouth that when it comes to speed, A is the one to beat.

Lightning armour fully realises the potential of the user, nothing more. It just so happens that Ay is a very, very fast shinobi. If it were to reach beyond that, A would show some sign of extreme exhaustion, but he doesn't.. :)
 

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Please don't tell me you just said that there isn't a speed increase. Have you forgotten even just Lee vs Gaara? Lee's speed was through the roof, even the wiki mentions over and over about speed increases. :D



Lightning armour fully realises the potential of the user, nothing more. It just so happens that Ay is a very, very fast shinobi. If it were to reach beyond that, A would show some sign of extreme exhaustion, but he doesn't.. :)

but it specifically said something about increasing his synapses in his brain, that's why it qualifies as nin-taijutsu and not a regular taijutsu move, it's way more complicated than simply reaching ones peak
 

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Please don't tell me you just said that there isn't a speed increase. Have you forgotten even just Lee vs Gaara? Lee's speed was through the roof, even the wiki mentions over and over about speed increases. :D

Lee's main speed improve came from removing his weights on his legs. Of course there is an actual increase in physical body strength, which as a result increases speed in certain ways as well. Like when you use your legs to jump, run, etc., however, just running, no character can obtain speed on the level of the raikage.

What is mentioned at the wiki is probably quoted literally from the databook or something. It is not to be taken so literally, and besides it is user made..

It has partially been proved. That teleportaion thing Mabui used. You would be ripped apart by travelling so fast. Raikage could, because of his shield. The speed which Raikage can move with, can only be obtained with a certain shield. Then we have Naruto, who has the kuybi cloak as a shield. Idd it appears some "cloak" surrounds the user of the gates, but it's not chakra.

Minato of course uses a 3rd different method to move even faster than the above mentioned, but enough about that, I made my point, why I have my own beliefs. If Gai was truly moving faster than A, don't you think it's weird Bee didn't comment it? Or even Naruto? Noting even suggests Gai has moved as fast as Naruto. Even AOE attacks from Madara hit him. So I really don't see it, unless you suggest he is unskilled at dodging :/
 
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I was referring to 7th Gate Gai.

I see... not too sure, but it could be possible. I'm remembering Tsunade cracking Madara's susano with a punch... Gai doing the same...? I wouldn't mind seeing Kishi show if he can do that though or even break susano (without Naruto chakra, I mean)!
 

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that's like saying guy is at the limits of his body all the time then breaks them with the gates but ay can't reach the limits of his body without his lra.
guy goes faster than regularly by using gates ay goes faster than he normally can with lra. btw ay is faster before km naruto and after minato died ay was the fastest in the world. can anyone imagine kurama cloak raikage with onooki on his back lightening and adding weight? I think he'd beat madara if he had sealing.
 

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Oh wait, never mind.

Who said Gai's body has the same limits as A's body?

For all we know, Gai surpassing his own body's limit can still be inferior to the limit of A's body.

Gai trains his body every day, so I would think that his body's limit is superior to A's.
 
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