7G Gai and BM Killer Bee vs Nagato

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Cereberus doesn't need to dodge it, he won't die from it and he'll just split up. Asa kujaku is not Amateratsu, it's temporary so he's surely not dying from it. Nagato's chamelleon has an insane speed feat vs Bee. He sends Bee across the forest and then ends up behind him. Since Nagato has limited mobility and is a cripple at that point, it's his chameleon's speed feat. BD is not hitting anyone here, it keeps going since nothing is present to force its detonation. AT would need to travel far enough to keep Gai and Bee outside of its radius. If that happens then the chameleon can be outside of its range too (it obviously won't be directed right at an invisible foe).

It's going to survive Asakujaku with what feats? Never said Asakujaku was permanent but it does ignite and puts the summon in pain which prevents it from using its technique and eventually forcing it to poof.

You're arguing that Chameleon is capable of evading Asakujaku's range? I don't believe it's the Chameleon speed feat because the Chameleon was right behind Naruto meanwhile Nagato himself landed from above. If the Chameleon was as fast as you claimed, it wouldn't be caught by this:

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(Though that's fast, in order for me to believe the Chameleon can evade such a wide range it must have some nice speed feats which it doesn't)

You realize BD just needs to hit the ground near them for it to explode right? They all get caught up in the Range. Gai isn't stupid enough to be caught in AT's range lol. Never been caught before so either way, there's a counter to them all.

I agree with you here, but since Gai is there Gai would die as there's no way for him to survive such an attack. Nagato on the other hand can use his asura body extensions to limit the damage by cushioning it. He can fire a asura bomb at the spinning Hachibi who would in turn light himself up completely (Nagato can use Preta to absorb anything coming his way). Bee would come out really badly given the magnitude that fire would be on. If his crustacean summon is present he can spit out bubbles to prevent the potential for Hachibi's spin since it reduces friction with the ground and inhibits Hachibi's control over his body.

Nope what do you think happened to Naruto?

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Whirlwind doesn't take time. Meanwhile Asura's bomb requires a little prep as seen with how Itachi could save B from it. Nothing in Asura's arsenal can put B down.

What would lead the Crustacean to come to such a range? Without getting killed? Though that's a nice counter, it needs to be closeby to perform that technique if it's going to interfere with Whirlwind. However, if it comes to close right before B uses it, it would get attacked by one of the oppositions. If it's not close and it tries to use that technique, the liquid get blown away before it comes close. Then the Crustacean should be killed along with the other summons via Asakujaku.

Bee didn't sense Nagato when he fought him and he had Samehada. Samehada is merely a quasi-sensor, it's not an actual sensor. Only Naruto could sense the negative emotions but he couldn't exactly locate the exact position of it regardless.

Naruto said he could sense chakra in KCM (Bottom right)

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..He don't notice Nagato quicker but are we going to say that means he can't?

Samehada can sense chakra regardless..Kisame never had the ability to sense but as soon he merged with Samehada, he gained that ability just like he could release spikes because Samehada granted him that ability. Just like it found B and it can be used to find Nagato.

He took one from Deva Path man. And that Deva path was 1/6th his power since all of the other paths were alive. When he became the only one alive he could use his ST's to kill Hinata with one hit. When he was the one using ST and he still wasn't in his healthy/prime state he could create ST's this big [

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], easily enough to kill Gai with one shot. And note this is edo and white haired Nagato, make this alive prime Nagato and his Shinra Tensei si far more powerful then even that one. He one shots Gai any day of the week. Don't see why he can't react to 7th Gate Gai when he's high above the ground. Gai's jumping speed is dramatically inferior to his running speed, he gets smashed, not to mention the ST can happen from behind Gai and Gai won't know what hit him due to the stealth.

- He took more than one

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. That ST you showed didn't harm B..Why should I really believe it would kill Gai once?

- ST happening behind Gai is only if the Chameleon somehow evades Asakujaku's range when summoned and if it somehow prevent Whirlwind. Not to mention I already explained why Samehada being able to sense can supposedly track Nagato if he resorts to hiding.

- Gai's jumping speed increases as well...If he could do this in an instant while in the 6th

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I wonder how much in the 7th. Like I told you, Nagato has to move close to them and eventually open his mouth. There are ways he can detected depending on the location. Footprints (Like Mu's case) or Sound..For example the SFX in this middle panel showed this a little when the Chameleon

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It's going to survive Asakujaku with what feats? Never said Asakujaku was permanent but it does ignite and puts the summon in pain which prevents it from using its technique and eventually forcing it to poof.

You're arguing that Chameleon is capable of evading Asakujaku's range? I don't believe it's the Chameleon speed feat because the Chameleon was right behind Naruto meanwhile Nagato himself landed from above. If the Chameleon was as fast as you claimed, it wouldn't be caught by this:

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(Though that's fast, in order for me to believe the Chameleon can evade such a wide range it must have some nice speed feats which it doesn't)

So shooting mini fireballs at it will kill it now because it has 'no durability' feats? Only because it splits doesn't mean all its feats regarding its durability are null. it clearly wasn't even penetrated by an FRS [

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]. And yes, it was splitting, but splitting ONLY within the FRS, meaning it took the full brunt of the damage and wasn't killed off. So no, Asa Kujaku is definitely not generating the energy required to kill it.

And yes, I am. Kabuto clearly states Nagato's movements were still crippled [

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]. So implying that he could possibly seemingly 'blitz' Bee from behind, moving at a similar speed to his Shinra Tensei, is absurd. And it being caught by that doesn't take away from its speed feat. If anything Animal Paths said the tongue was just too damn fast in the first place and had the surprised '!' remark.

You realize BD just needs to hit the ground near them for it to explode right? They all get caught up in the Range. Gai isn't stupid enough to be caught in AT's range lol. Never been caught before so either way, there's a counter to them all.

What? If BD hits the ground it explodes? Since when? Unless he's aiming it straight down, it won't explode [

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]. So nope, nobody is getting caught in the TBB range since it'll explode in a faraway place. The only time it explodes is when something of equal or comparable momentum makes contact with it. But AT would never hit the chameleon then since it just moves behind bee and Gai. AT's strength comes from actually grabbing its opponent and exploding from the point of its target, Gai even says it himself, the air pressure is focused on a single point. So as long as the Chameleon can go stealth he's not going to be in that point of damage; he'd easily evade it and Gai won't know where to manoeuvre it. ST counters it too, but it's not needed.

Nope what do you think happened to Naruto?

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Whirlwind doesn't take time. Meanwhile Asura's bomb requires a little prep as seen with how Itachi could save B from it. Nothing in Asura's arsenal can put B down.

What would lead the Crustacean to come to such a range? Without getting killed? Though that's a nice counter, it needs to be closeby to perform that technique if it's going to interfere with Whirlwind. However, if it comes to close right before B uses it, it would get attacked by one of the oppositions. If it's not close and it tries to use that technique, the liquid get blown away before it comes close. Then the Crustacean should be killed along with the other summons via Asakujaku.

What? If he does that then Nagato can already have prepared for an attack to disrupt the process. He has the options of an Asura missile/laser or a Shinra Tensei. Either way Gai will not be making it inside Hachibi, and if he does, Asura could've already been prepared by then. A few missiles will be more then capable of roasting the Hachibi like a marshmallow. So yes, once Bee even thinks of trying his whirlwind he'll be burning himself alive by continuously increasing the potency of the flames already burning him. Not to mention Hachibi has already shown to be very vulnerable to the pain heat can inflict, so he'll stop his spinning instantly and Nagato will have intel on said technique for future purposes.

Fair enough.

Naruto said he could sense chakra in KCM (Bottom right)

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..He don't notice Nagato quicker but are we going to say that means he can't?

Samehada can sense chakra regardless..Kisame never had the ability to sense but as soon he merged with Samehada, he gained that ability just like he could release spikes because Samehada granted him that ability. Just like it found B and it can be used to find Nagato.

I know he can sense. But he didn't see or sense Nagato at all though [

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]. This happened right after

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in which Nagato was on the floor. Naruto noticed that he disappeared and says "where is.." implying he doesn't know where Nagato is at all. So I am not the one who is speculating, you are the one who's peculating that Naruto could've sensed him by normal means. And the tongue of the chameleon has already caught Naruto and he didn't know what was holding him [

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].. So.. I don't see what there is to argue.

No it can't. Until you bring me proof of it being capable of sensing chakra within any vicinity, this point is completely null. It gives Kisame the ability to sense, sure. Doesn't mean it can sense by itself. Until you can prove it having actual sensory capabilities, you have no point here, it remains a quasi-sensor which won't help it here. So no, it's not happening here. Not to mention I have already proven sensors like KCM Naruto failed to sense it.

- He took more than one

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. That ST you showed didn't harm B..Why should I really believe it would kill Gai once?

Bruh.. All the Shinra Tensei's he used on Kakashi were 1/6th power because all paths were alive at that time. At full power Deva one shotted Hinata [

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]. And are you seriously trying to attribute Bee's durability to Gai? Bee's already tanked Jugo's direct punch to his face [

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], you can see the area damage, and you can see here the craters Jugo can create through his strength [

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]. He wasn't even being moved by Sasuke's Taijutsu kicks, so giving Gai his durability feats is fallacious, and thus Gai will easily suffer from broken limbs/go unconscious.

- ST happening behind Gai is only if the Chameleon somehow evades Asakujaku's range when summoned and if it somehow prevent Whirlwind. Not to mention I already explained why Samehada being able to sense can supposedly track Nagato if he resorts to hiding.

Whirlwind isn't happening because Gai is never going to be capable of getting inside Hachibi. In the case he does, Asura missiles easily prevent any continuation of it. Asa Kujaku is dodged by the chameleon. And no, Samehada doesn't sense it.

- Gai's jumping speed increases as well...If he could do this in an instant while in the 6th

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I wonder how much in the 7th. Like I told you, Nagato has to move close to them and eventually open his mouth. There are ways he can detected depending on the location. Footprints (Like Mu's case) or Sound..For example the SFX in this middle panel showed this a little when the Chameleon

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How does that matter? I never denied that he can jump high.. I'm saying Gai in the air will easily be reacted to with an ST and he'd probably die then and there. And lol. Then how come KCM Naruto still got caught by the chameleon's tongue? Makes sense, if a sensor can't react to it Gai and Bee will.

 

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So shooting mini fireballs at it will kill it now because it has 'no durability' feats? Only because it splits doesn't mean all its feats regarding its durability are null. it clearly wasn't even penetrated by an FRS [

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]. And yes, it was splitting, but splitting ONLY within the FRS, meaning it took the full brunt of the damage and wasn't killed off. So no, Asa Kujaku is definitely not generating the energy required to kill it.

No this doesn't matter...Asakujaku ignites(Sets it on fire). Amaterasu maybe be stronger but both do the same which prevents the dog from splitting since it's burning. Causing it too poof eventually.

And yes, I am. Kabuto clearly states Nagato's movements were still crippled [

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]. So implying that he could possibly seemingly 'blitz' Bee from behind, moving at a similar speed to his Shinra Tensei, is absurd. And it being caught by that doesn't take away from its speed feat. If anything Animal Paths said the tongue was just too damn fast in the first place and had the surprised '!' remark.

Nagato already moved from point A to B.

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I need Kabuto's explanation for what happened..Not to mention Nagato landed from above B so he could have been tossed there or something. It's only fan fiction to tell me that was the Chameleon when it was never noted to have such speed ever. Don't bring any argument of how it ran behind Bee when it wasn't even shown.

Animal Path saying it was fast? It may be fast but for the speed you're suggesting the Chameleon has, it should have been able to evade that before getting tied up.

Asakujaku was close to matching a 1000 Shark due to its range...Plus the fact that its fast. Yet you're telling me the Chameleon with no feats would somehow evade it without getting hit. Smh

What? If BD hits the ground it explodes? Since when? Unless he's aiming it straight down, it won't explode [

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]. So nope, nobody is getting caught in the TBB range since it'll explode in a faraway place. The only time it explodes is when something of equal or comparable momentum makes contact with it. But AT would never hit the chameleon then since it just moves behind bee and Gai. AT's strength comes from actually grabbing its opponent and exploding from the point of its target, Gai even says it himself, the air pressure is focused on a single point. So as long as the Chameleon can go stealth he's not going to be in that point of damage; he'd easily evade it and Gai won't know where to manoeuvre it. ST counters it too, but it's not needed.

- So I have to convince you that a BD aimed at the ground would be able to explode...?

- I have to tell you that Gyuki is far larger than them so for him to look downwards at them based on their distance won't be a problem for him aim at the ground?

AT doesn't work like that...If it hits somewhere nearby, it would explode. If it hits the Chameleon, it would explode. The Chameleon would never EVER be able to evade the range. Stop that.. Not when Madara had to strike rather than dodge it despite not knowing the fully well the technique.

AT never grabbed Kisame by the way so I don't know why it has to grab before exploding. It can even grab a nearby summon and explode if that suits you lmao.

Further proof of this is when Gai decides that he needed to widen his scope in order to deal with the Sharks. This was in reference to AT and it can't grab all the sharks at a time so I don't know how you concluded it needed to grab first.

ST's reaction depends on the distance. From a close range, that would never happen which I don't even need to tell you. Even following this strategy of hiding in the Chameleon, Nagato would be in its mouth to release it which is too unrealistic against such speed.

What? If he does that then Nagato can already have prepared for an attack to disrupt the process. He has the options of an Asura missile/laser or a Shinra Tensei. Either way Gai will not be making it inside Hachibi, and if he does, Asura could've already been prepared by then. A few missiles will be more then capable of roasting the Hachibi like a marshmallow. So yes, once Bee even thinks of trying his whirlwind he'll be burning himself alive by continuously increasing the potency of the flames already burning him. Not to mention Hachibi has already shown to be very vulnerable to the pain heat can inflict, so he'll stop his spinning instantly and Nagato will have intel on said technique for future purposes.

- To think Asura missile would be fired before B uses whirlwind is ridiculous. Sheer madness lmao.

B only needs to cover himself with his tail and then spin. Lol @ Nagato having to form it and then prepare it in order to fire. This scan laughs at that:

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- First panel, Nagato having to switch his hand into some machine.

- Second panel, B casually rapping and Nagato hadn't even started busting it out.

- Third panel, Naruto and B conversing or so with Naruto still struggling while the thing wasn't even set yet.

- 4th panel, it only started then with Nagato just sensing Itachi who cut it before it was even close to blowing.

Yet you believe it's gonna blast B while already transformed who can spin fast. Makes no sense

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Please stop debating against this..Gai won't be making it inside Hachibi? Because you says so? When if he can't find the Chameleon, it's a common strategy for B to use whirlwind to clear the surrounding while Gai who knows can just go on top his head if the Chameleon is missing (Bottom panel)

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- Then this unrealistic strategy of how Nagato would be preparing missiles inside the mouth of his invisible summon without being noticed or heard Smh.

I know he can sense. But he didn't see or sense Nagato at all though [

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]. This happened right after

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in which Nagato was on the floor. Naruto noticed that he disappeared and says "where is.." implying he doesn't know where Nagato is at all. So I am not the one who is speculating, you are the one who's peculating that Naruto could've sensed him by normal means. And the tongue of the chameleon has already caught Naruto and he didn't know what was holding him [

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].. So.. I don't see what there is to argue.

That scan mostly shows Naruto not seeing Nagato. It shows Naruto didn't see him...He was looking in the same direction as Nagato before he even appeared but didn't see him hence asking "Where is he". Look again and it doesn't mean he didn't sense because that could have been as a result of him not being familiar with the technique since he never even encountered that before. If truly the thing couldn't be sensed, I don't know why it would be running from a Sensing Barrier.

Your argument of Naruto not knowing where the Chameleon was when he was distracted by B and Nagato? Ok let's go by your logic and accuse two sensors of not being able to sense even though they can and where distracted

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No it can't. Until you bring me proof of it being capable of sensing chakra within any vicinity, this point is completely null. It gives Kisame the ability to sense, sure. Doesn't mean it can sense by itself. Until you can prove it having actual sensory capabilities, you have no point here, it remains a quasi-sensor which won't help it here. So no, it's not happening here. Not to mention I have already proven sensors like KCM Naruto failed to sense it.

Regarding the Samehada part, Fine. Then we'll stick to my whirlwind strategy...Not to mention in a bad situation which sin't needed, B would just resort to Base state and merge with Samehada to find him. Not going to entertain "He can't" when Zetsu already showed he can merge with it.

Bruh.. All the Shinra Tensei's he used on Kakashi were 1/6th power because all paths were alive at that time. At full power Deva one shotted Hinata [

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]. And are you seriously trying to attribute Bee's durability to Gai? Bee's already tanked Jugo's direct punch to his face [

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], you can see the area damage, and you can see here the craters Jugo can create through his strength [

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]. He wasn't even being moved by Sasuke's Taijutsu kicks, so giving Gai his durability feats is fallacious, and thus Gai will easily suffer from broken limbs/go unconscious.

Lol @Hinata being a good example. Not to mention this won't even be happening when I've dropped counters to perfectly counter this Chameleon which would be the only reason why ST would be successful.

Are you seriously understanding what I'm saying? B wasn't harmed so Gai won't be killed. B's durability doesn't surpass Gai by a lot at all. It's comparable to a degree at least considering some feats from Gai:

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That's a physical attack that's merely created from friction so it affects him as well when it's on his hand plus the pain of the gates. B said "Ouch" in pain after touching some little fire from Itachi's Shurikens even with Hachibi's hands.

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In a weakened state where he couldn't stand, he had the Kohaku fall on his head from above

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Those tools made Madara feel heavy

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. Just something to add.

Bad case? Samaheada is used to heal Gai or he just uses the 2nd Gate which rejuvenates him.

Whirlwind isn't happening because Gai is never going to be capable of getting inside Hachibi. In the case he does, Asura missiles easily prevent any continuation of it. Asa Kujaku is dodged by the chameleon. And no, Samehada doesn't sense it.

Lmaoo you can't be serious.

How does that matter? I never denied that he can jump high.. I'm saying Gai in the air will easily be reacted to with an ST and he'd probably die then and there. And lol. Then how come KCM Naruto still got caught by the chameleon's tongue? Makes sense, if a sensor can't react to it Gai and Bee will.

What are you talking about? Trying to argue why he can be reacted to while jumping with such speed despite me showing nice feats in the 6th where Kisame could barely keep up even though he has better reaction feats when compared to Nagato? Then we have the fact that it's his striking speed(AT) that matters which surpasses Nagato's reactions considering Madara had to strike rather that evade(Shows AT striking is extremely fast)...I don't know how high you imagine this dude to be and I don't even know why you're dwelling on this irrelevant point when I've countered this with other strategies. Smh as soon as it's a close distance fight? Nagato stands 0 chance against the physical prowess of the 7th Gate. Know that.

 

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No this doesn't matter...Asakujaku ignites(Sets it on fire). Amaterasu maybe be stronger but both do the same which prevents the dog from splitting since it's burning. Causing it too poof eventually.

Lol. So if uses a Katon it's game over? Since when was Katon so powerful anyways? Last I checked people have taken Katon burns with damage, and those people had no durability comparable to something which can take on an FRS with no bodily damage. It's like saying only because Sandaime took on FRS doesn't mean he can take on Asa Kujaku because it ignites him and there's nothing he can do about it. Almost as if to believe the energy is great enough to burn through his skin, just like you believe it can burn through the Cereberus skin, which makes no sense given it doesn't have that kind of energy. Eventually it'll cool down and be useless, it's not a non-cooling fire like Amaterasu. So no, it's not poofing here.

Nagato already moved from point A to B.

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I need Kabuto's explanation for what happened..Not to mention Nagato landed from above B so he could have been tossed there or something. It's only fan fiction to tell me that was the Chameleon when it was never noted to have such speed ever. Don't bring any argument of how it ran behind Bee when it wasn't even shown.

Animal Path saying it was fast? It may be fast but for the speed you're suggesting the Chameleon has, it should have been able to evade that before getting tied up.

Asakujaku was close to matching a 1000 Shark due to its range...Plus the fact that its fast. Yet you're telling me the Chameleon with no feats would somehow evade it without getting hit. Smh

Lol. You are giving me examples of a post-prime red haired Nagato who was obviously in a FAR better state then when he was white haired and fuked. The feat we are talking about it when he was white haired. There's just no way he could do that against Bee while crippled. nd I never suggested he was immobile, what I am suggesting is his speed is nowhere near close enough to do such a thing while crippled.

You obviously don't have one, so that's not an argument. Kabuto stated Nagato was crippled, so why you believe he can blitz Bee at the speed comparable to his large scale Shinra Tensei is beyond me. Not to mention this claim of him coming from top is completely baseless and ridiculous [

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]. So once again, I don't need a scan of it being shown, all I need is him being in the chameleon before hand and Kabuto saying Nagato was crippled. It is literally the only viable explanation, unless you think he can teleport.

Man.. I told you reaction speed and movement speed are completely irrelevant to one another. Only because he couldn't react to a fast attack doesn't mean he can't move faster than it in a race. Stop with this point as it is moot.

And yes, Asa Kujaku will be fired forward without any actual target. The Chameleon either moves behind Gai before it's too late, or Nagato uses a Shinra Tensei to make all the fireballs along with Gai disappear and die.

- So I have to convince you that a BD aimed at the ground would be able to explode...?

Um yes you do. You clearly have little understanding of physics if you think blasting a ball of kinetic energy diagonally against the ground will force it to explode. And even canonically, its been shown that firing TBB at a barrier which is insanely solid and regenerative wasn't capable of forcing detonation. You are beating around the bush because you can't explain that scan, so you just reply with a question. Laughable. Unless he's firing the TBB straight DOWNWARDS, there's no way it's detonating; and if anything, will kill Gai and force Hachibi to revert to base Bee.

- I have to tell you that Gyuki is far larger than them so for him to look downwards at them based on their distance won't be a problem for him aim at the ground?

Yet Nagato is in the chameleon up in the air as well, so he won't be seen. Not to mention when he aims downwards he will still not be forcing detonation until a decent amount of time (far more then needed for chameleon to reach behind Hachibi).

AT doesn't work like that...If it hits somewhere nearby, it would explode. If it hits the Chameleon, it would explode. The Chameleon would never EVER be able to evade the range. Stop that.. Not when Madara had to strike rather than dodge it despite not knowing the fully well the technique.

Uh what? He's blitzing the same direction in which Gai is firing it from.. What's the distance between Gai and Nagato? 10-15 meters? So he'll need to fire it and have it latch onto chameleon and take it far away to explode just like it did against Susano. Otherwise, Gai will be closer to the explosion then the chameleon will. And what? Madara struck Hirudora from POINT BLANK when Gai's hands were right next to his body. I don't see ANY comparison here, when chameleon is invisible and 10-15 meters away.

AT never grabbed Kisame by the way so I don't know why it has to grab before exploding. It can even grab a nearby summon and explode if that suits you lmao.

Further proof of this is when Gai decides that he needed to widen his scope in order to deal with the Sharks. This was in reference to AT and it can't grab all the sharks at a time so I don't know how you concluded it needed to grab first.

Exactly. Kisame survived an attack which destroyed a v2 Susano from Madara? Please. He wasn't in the point of greatest destruction. Hell, Gai wasn't in the point of greatest destruction yet he WAS within the attack and had not a single scratch on him. Unless he's in the point of Hirudora with the greatest damage, it's not going to do much. Unless you think v2 Bee>v3 Susano.

Grabs a nearby summon? Which summon? Chameleon when it can't see it? Or Cereberus which will be completely unaffected as it splits?

And lol what? When did I say the only point it does damage is in the point it grabs someone? I said that's the greatest point of damage, and the further you go outside that point the more exponential attenuation will occur to the energy.

ST's reaction depends on the distance. From a close range, that would never happen which I don't even need to tell you. Even following this strategy of hiding in the Chameleon, Nagato would be in its mouth to release it which is too unrealistic against such speed.

- To think Asura missile would be fired before B uses whirlwind is ridiculous. Sheer madness lmao.

B only needs to cover himself with his tail and then spin. Lol @ Nagato having to form it and then prepare it in order to fire. This scan laughs at that:

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- First panel, Nagato having to switch his hand into some machine.

- Second panel, B casually rapping and Nagato hadn't even started busting it out.

- Third panel, Naruto and B conversing or so with Naruto still struggling while the thing wasn't even set yet.

- 4th panel, it only started then with Nagato just sensing Itachi who cut it before it waseven close to blowing.

Yet you believe it's gonna blast B while already transformed who can spin fast. Makes no sense

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Only because he was charging it further. It's already been shown he can charge it almost instantly [

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]. Not to mention it is completely unnecessary given he has faster options like these missiles [

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]. So once again, if he tries to spin he'll only be igniting himself terribly.

Please stop debating against this..Gai won't be making it inside Hachibi? Because you says so? When if he can't find the Chameleon, it's a common strategy for B to use whirlwind to clear the surrounding while Gai who knows can just go on top his head if the Chameleon is missing (Bottom panel)

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No, because Bansho Tenin coupled with chakra receivers can one shot him. Because Bansho Tenin with Asura missile/laser/arm shot at him can one shot. Because Shinra Tensei at a large scale one shots him. I don't see where you're going with this, because any time they try something slick like that, Bansho Tenin can easily pull Gai away from Bee's grasp as Nagato should expect something to happen to the surrounding area as Gai is getting away from it. Not to mention Hachibi will also have to fight Cerberus during his attempt to use Hachibi whirlwind, which should make it much harder.

- Then this unrealistic strategy of how Nagato would be preparing missiles inside the mouth of his invisible summon without being noticed or heard Smh.

How would he be noticed smh? You fail to realise Nagato is completely concealed while sitting inside the chameleon. Everything within it is concealed for whatever reason. Nagato preparing asura missiles will also be concealed, and it being heard while they are 50 meters above the ground and 15 meters away while closed in the chameleon's mouth is completely fallacious and unheard of. They have literally no observational feats even close to comparable to that.

That scan mostly shows Naruto not seeing Nagato. It shows Naruto didn't see him...He was looking in the same direction as Nagato before he even appeared but didn't see him hence asking "Where is he". Look again and it doesn't mean he didn't sense because that could have been as a result of him not being familiar with the technique since he never even encountered that before. If truly the thing couldn't be sensed, I don't know why it would be running from a Sensing Barrier.

Your argument of Naruto not knowing where the Chameleon was when he was distracted by B and Nagato? Ok let's go by your logic and accuse two sensors of not being able to sense even though they can and where distracted

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Uh what? You clearly don't understand what happened there. The previous page shows Naruto looking at Nagato while running. Then when he disappears Naruto is looking at the same place Nagato was before and after he disappeared, but the difference is the chameleon which made him go stealth for a while. He was saying "where is he.." because he was in that same location a second ago, and then disappeared (reappeared again after in same spot). Not to mention a sensing barrier is COMPLETELY different. It senses anything within it by contact sensing. The argument is invalid because Mu is confirmed to be immune to chakra sensors but not immune to contact sensory. So Jiraiya's barrier would work but KCM Naruto's chakra sensory would logically fail.

But they've shown sensory feats in the past and they are perfect sages so that point doesn't hold. Fact is, Naruto failed to sense him twice. If he sensed him the first time he would've thrown an FRS because he'd know that he's there regardless if he sees him or not. In the second situation he was MID-FIGHT and still failed to realise something was behind him. In the Jiraiya case they had thought the fight was over after their Genjutsu; it was an actual 'not ready' scenario, not a KCM Naruto mid-fight not ready for no reason scenario (no reason to believe he was unready). So once again, given both situations, it is implicative that Naruto cannot sense the chameleon.

Regarding the Samehada part, Fine. Then we'll stick to my whirlwind strategy...Not to mention in a bad situation which sin't needed, B would just resort to Base state and merge with Samehada to find him. Not going to entertain "He can't" when Zetsu already showed he can merge with it.

Lol wat. Since when can Bee merge with Samehada smh. Bee needs to share Bee's chakra signature to do that, but it's already been shown to possess Kisame's chakra signature even after Bee had wielded it for a decent amount of time by the time they fought (Kisame said he can't be sensed within it because he and Samehada shared identical chakra signatures). And Zetsu can copy your chakra signature which is why it was impossible for people to tell Zetsu apart from the real deal in the first place. So he would logically be capable of doing it too.

Lol @Hinata being a good example. Not to mention this won't even be happening when I've dropped counters to perfectly counter this Chameleon which would be the only reason why ST would be successful.

Please explain why she wouldn't be a good example lmfao. In the case you didn't know, you have to explain your points instead of outright state them.

Are you seriously understanding what I'm saying? B wasn't harmed so Gai won't be killed. B's durability doesn't surpass Gai by a lot at all. It's comparable to a degree at least considering some feats from Gai:

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That's a physical attack that's merely created from friction so it affects him as well when it's on his hand plus the pain of the gates. B said "Ouch" in pain after touching some little fire from Itachi's Shurikens even with Hachibi's hands.

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In a weakened state where he couldn't stand, he had the Kohaku fall on his head from above

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Those tools made Madara feel heavy

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. Just something to add.

WTF. Bee took a v2 Lariat to his chest and had not a single scratch on him. He took Jugo's crater-producing punch and had not one scratch on him. What are you on about smfh. There's literally no comparison, v2 Ay blows Gai's head off the face of this planet. He kills Gai while Bee tanks it. So there's a HUGE difference in durability here; HUGE.

That's pain resistance, not durability. Not to mention Bee is less vulnerable to cutting damage then his Hachibi given Hachibi is cut by Shurikens while Sasuke's weaker Chidori couldn't pierce him. So once again, pain is not an indicator of durability.

And lol at those items being

Bad case? Samaheada is used to heal Gai or hear juts uses the 2nd Gate which rejuvenates him.

Lmaoo you can't be serious.

Since when can it heal other people? It can merely replenish their chakra unless they share the same chakra signature in which it can reproduce their flesh, chakra, veins, chakra system, bones, etc. But in Gai's case, that's clearly impossible. Second of all, since when was 2nd Gate some big healing factor? What feats does it even have healing wise? To my knowledge all it does is re-energise him, and that's useless against something which is killing him.

What are you talking about? Trying to argue why he can be reacted to while jumping with such speed despite me showing nice feats in the 6th where Kisame could barely keep up even though he has better reaction feats when compared to Nagato? Then we have the fact that it's his striking speed(AT) that matter which surpasses Nagato's reactions considering Madara had to strike rather that evade(Shows AT striking is extremely fast)...I don't know how high you imagine this dude to be and I don't even know why you're dwelling on this irrelevant point when I've countered this with other strategies. Smh as soon as it's a close distance fight? Nagato stands 0 chance against the physical prowess of the 7th Gate. Know that.

30% Kisame? And better reaction feats? The same guy who jumped back a little when Bee went v2? While Kisame couldn't even move when Bee went v2? That's a direct comparison, and Nagato is clearly superior. Deva has continuously reacted to KN6 Naruto who's around the same speed as Bee. Nagato should be superior to even him reaction speed wise, and that's not even considering him in his red-haired prime form. So if 30% Kisame was capable of swinging before 6G Gai could reach him (albeit miss), then Healthy non-edo Nagato should definitely be able to replicate that against 7G Gai. His reaction speed is pretty insane after all. And once again, if Gai can actually come that close, Nagato simply needs to Shinra tensei him on a large scale kill him. Hirudora, Asa Kujaku both get blasted away by Shinra Tensei while Gai gets killed.

 

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Nagato high difficulty.

 

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Smh this dude can't be serious..I'll respond.