7G Gai and BM Killer Bee vs Nagato

[EZQ]

"hate gai"... sorry for not wanking him. :Omg:

Oh right, "wanking hashirama in order to make it seem he beats Gai" is different from hating Gai

 

[TRE MERCER]

Oh right, "wanking hashirama in order to make it seem he beats Gai" is different from hating Gai

Hashirama does if the distance is 100m.​

 

[EZQ]

Hashirama does if the distance is 100m.​

Of course. But me and KH were debating on a 40 mts starting distance

 

[TRE MERCER]

Of course. But me and KH were debating on a 40 mts starting distance

Actually 40m is enough Gai isn't killing Hashirama with punches and kicks. Kisame is proof that human like bodies can survive Hirudora so SM Hashirama should easily be able to tank some punches and Hirudora. There also the fact he has the auto healing factor.​

 

[Lariatoo]

Could go either way, really. But since Imma biased for Nagato I'll go with him.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Guy blitzes

 

[Unorthodox]

change my mind Nagato wins

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Depending on the distance Nagato isn't summoning jack squat. If Guy is too close then Nagato gets steamrolled, and no it doesn't matter if it's Nagato.

 

[Haizaki]

Nagato summons cereberus and then his chamelleon. Nobody can sense so Nagato can just evade all their attacks while sending subtle Shinra Tensei's that can 1 shot Gai. Gai can stay in 7th Gate and lose or revert and die. Bee will die in the same way- along with Asura lasers to burn him/cut his tails.

- Both Cerebus and the Chameleon have 0 feats suggesting the can evade Asakujaku's Range. Cherubs is dealt with since it gets ignited meaning it won't be multiplying. Nagano himself doesn't have nice feats suggesting he can evade Asakujaku's Range but him hiding in a much slower Chameleon would do better in terms of dodging which would require the Chameleon itself? Nope. Then there's BD and AT which are even harder to evade.

- The there's whirlwind which would knock the Chameleon potentially forcing it to reveal itself when knocked out.

- Samehada can sense.

- ST won't be one shot Gai when Kakashi took it about twice or so...Not to mention the fact that ST would be a fine counter if Nagato himself can react to Gai in the 7th. Plus B can exploit the cool down if Gai gets hit which won't happen based on feats.


Negate stands 0 chance of winning against these 2.

 

[KidGamer65]

Of course. But me and KH were debating on a 40 mts starting distance

Gai beating Hashirama in the 7th Gate from a 40m starting difference is a ridiculous claim to make to say the least.

 

[Apêx1]

- Both Cerebus and the Chameleon have 0 feats suggesting the can evade Asakujaku's Range. Cherubs is dealt with since it gets ignited meaning it won't be multiplying. Nagano himself doesn't have nice feats suggesting he can evade Asakujaku's Range but him hiding in a much slower Chameleon would do better in terms of dodging which would require the Chameleon itself? Nope. Then there's BD and AT which are even harder to evade.

Cereberus doesn't need to dodge it, he won't die from it and he'll just split up. Asa kujaku is not Amateratsu, it's temporary so he's surely not dying from it. Nagato's chamelleon has an insane speed feat vs Bee. He sends Bee across the forest and then ends up behind him. Since Nagato has limited mobility and is a cripple at that point, it's his chameleon's speed feat. BD is not hitting anyone here, it keeps going since nothing is present to force its detonation. AT would need to travel far enough to keep Gai and Bee outside of its radius. If that happens then the chameleon can be outside of its range too (it obviously won't be directed right at an invisible foe).

- The there's whirlwind which would knock the Chameleon potentially forcing it to reveal itself when knocked out.

I agree with you here, but since Gai is there Gai would die as there's no way for him to survive such an attack. Nagato on the other hand can use his asura body extensions to limit the damage by cushioning it. He can fire a asura bomb at the spinning Hachibi who would in turn light himself up completely (Nagato can use Preta to absorb anything coming his way). Bee would come out really badly given the magnitude that fire would be on. If his crustacean summon is present he can spit out bubbles to prevent the potential for Hachibi's spin since it reduces friction with the ground and inhibits Hachibi's control over his body.

- Samehada can sense.

Bee didn't sense Nagato when he fought him and he had Samehada. Samehada is merely a quasi-sensor, it's not an actual sensor. Only Naruto could sense the negative emotions but he couldn't exactly locate the exact position of it regardless.

- ST won't be one shot Gai when Kakashi took it about twice or so...Not to mention the fact that ST would be a fine counter if Nagato himself can react to Gai in the 7th. Plus B can exploit the cool down if Gai gets hit which won't happen based on feats.

He took one from Deva Path man. And that Deva path was 1/6th his power since all of the other paths were alive. When he became the only one alive he could use his ST's to kill Hinata with one hit. When he was the one using ST and he still wasn't in his healthy/prime state he could create ST's this big [

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], easily enough to kill Gai with one shot. And note this is edo and white haired Nagato, make this alive prime Nagato and his Shinra Tensei si far more powerful then even that one. He one shots Gai any day of the week. Don't see why he can't react to 7th Gate Gai when he's high above the ground. Gai's jumping speed is dramatically inferior to his running speed, he gets smashed, not to mention the ST can happen from behind Gai and Gai won't know what hit him due to the stealth.

Negate stands 0 chance of winning against these 2.

I disagree.

 

[ARGUS]

- ST won't be one shot Gai when Kakashi took it about twice or so...Not to mention the fact that ST would be a fine counter if Nagato himself can react to Gai in the 7th. Plus B can exploit the cool down if Gai gets hit which won't happen based on feats.

But you have to remember that the ST that was used against Kakashi was minisucle even when we are talking about Pein, let alone from nagato himself,

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kakashi took 2 of the smallest ST, and the next one left him

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now if we have a

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, then someone like kakashi gets pasted

Negate stands 0 chance of winning against these 2.

I definitely agree with this,
either of the 2 give him a hell of a fight, together they spank

Gai beating Hashirama in the 7th Gate from a 40m starting difference is a ridiculous claim to make to say the least.

i think they were talking about 8th gate guy, and that distance is nothhing for him to blitz

 

[KidGamer65]

But you have to remember that the ST that was used against Kakashi was minisucle even when we are talking about Pein, let alone from nagato himself,

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kakashi took 2 of the smallest ST, and the next one left him

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now if we have a

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, then someone like kakashi gets pasted


I definitely agree with this,
either of the 2 give him a hell of a fight, together they spank



i think they were talking about 8th gate guy, and that distance is nothhing for him to blitz

They were talking about 7th Gate Gai. I hope the bold is talking about Eighth Gate Gai. I really hope it is.

 

[Selan]

Nagato is hella strong and powerful but he gets blitzed and eats Hiru Tora in the face. He is not doing anything if he doesn't use CST to defeat Gai the instant the match starts, before he opens the 7th Gate which will need no more than a second for him. Then Gai blitzes and unleashes Hiru Tora on his face and he dies without being able to do nothing, as powerful as he is. Edo Madara couldn't finish a Susanoo sword swing and couldn't do anything when Gai unleashed Hiru Tora on his face, and that was when Gai was tired and wounded.

Gai solos.

 

[EZQ]

Gai beating Hashirama in the 7th Gate from a 40m starting difference is a ridiculous claim to make to say the least.

Its 8th gate Gai, who also beats Hashirama from 100 m away.

We were arguing about a previous discussion i had with KingHashirama. It was about 8th gate gai, ofc Hashirama beats 7th gate gai.

 

[KidGamer65]

Its 8th gate Gai, who also beats Hashirama from 100 m away.

We were arguing about a previous discussion i had with KingHashirama. It was about 8th gate gai, ofc Hashirama beats 7th gate gai.

Then that makes a lot of sense. Why is Hirudora even being mentioned if it's 8g Gai? Meh, either way. All I can tell you is to ignore KingMoron.

 

[EZQ]

Then that makes a lot of sense. Why is Hirudora even being mentioned if it's 8g Gai? Meh, either way. All I can tell you is to ignore KingMoron.

Yes i know, i've dropped every discussion i had with him.

Hirudora was brought up by someone who wasn't me lol. He probably tought we were talking about 7G gai too so he brought up Hirudora.

Could Gai make Hirudora in 8th gate? It would be amazing

 

[Rimitri Drascalov]

Since there is no logical reasoning to say 8th Gate Guy is 1/70484940th of Asura missiles power and Nagato's borrowed Rinnegan from Madara is tiers above RSM as feats show, Naraka path solos mid diff let alone all Paths which not even Team 7 or Hagoromo can beat.

Nagato child molesters them.

 

[Apêx1]

Yes i know, i've dropped every discussion i had with him.

Hirudora was brought up by someone who wasn't me lol. He probably tought we were talking about 7G gai too so he brought up Hirudora.

Could Gai make Hirudora in 8th gate? It would be amazing

Probably can destroy anything below PS with an 8th Gated Hirudora. But yes, he can definitely do it in 8th Gate.

 

[ARGUS]

They were talking about 7th Gate Gai. I hope the bold is talking about Eighth Gate Gai. I really hope it is.

Ofc it's 8th gate guy
7th gate ain't blitzing him