613 Misconceptions and Plot-holes

[sG Taka]

Here I am, again, disproving PnJs and sticking to the fact that they are non-existent. Misconceptions and PnJs go hand-by-hand. The reader fails to understand the manga, and automatically screams "Plot-hole!". No.

Recent alleged PnJs:

"OMG how did Madara and Obito knew about HQ? PNJ!"

Spoiler

No. Here are the reasons why:

• Kisame sacrificed his life in order to protect and send an Intel scroll. What was in this scroll you may ask? Oh, I don't know, maybe every single important data gathered from Kisame being fused with Samehada! Its purpose was to infiltrate Kumogakure! Not only this, his Intel reached as far as Turtle Island. Every single thing that happened and had to do with Killer Bee and anyone around him, Kisame knew. This is why Kabuto was able to locate them and kidnap Yamato.
• Where is HQ located? Oh right, Kumo! What a coinquidinckle. I dont think so..Moreover, Obito and Kabutomaru were working together by that time. Obito knew too, and this is proved because it was thanks to this information that he was able to create a strategy to draw out the jinchuuriki out of hiding which included the Allied Shinobi Forces to use Naruto's negative sensing technique to take out the transformed White Zetsu

"Dudddd! Why don't Madara and Obito order the Juubi to use the bettered TBB on the Alliance!" Such PNJ!"

Spoiler

No. Here are the reasons why:

• Did you see the radius of the explosion of that bomb? Answering Ao's question, there's a reason why they're shooting it far away: they would die if they aim at the Alliance because of the immense blast radius!

"How does Madara and Obito know they're attack hit the HQ?"lol PNJ

Spoiler

I can't even..

• They knew the location of the HQ.
• They have a HUGE margin of error thanks to its insane blast radius.
• The attack was not tampered with, they shot where they wanted, unlike the first Bijuudama.
• Adding one of the responses, the chakra source disappeared once they hit.
• You shoot, you see a boom, a logical conclusion would be: I hit.

Before claiming PnJ, go read! Read the character's abilities, read the story arc again, go back to see if you missed something (like Kisame's intel or Kabuto's intel about the Akatsuki).

 

[Baka Sennin]

i know right. the truth is often there for all to see,some people prefer to jump the gun instead of thinking though. just because kishi doesn't spell it out doesnt mean it's PnJ

 

[mikeeozua]

Wow i didn't even know there were any misconseptions :/

 

[Zlad]

1. How can that be plot? It's a god, and Obito is one of the best sensors out there. He was able to know where Minato was, Naruto (five kage summit) etc and more. Also goes to Danzo. Lmfao

2. Because they were going to test it's power, doing such TBB here would kill all

3. They saw the attack hits, are you nuts??

 

[Huang]

Here I am, again, disproving PnJs and sticking to the fact that they are non-existent. Misconceptions and PnJs go hand-by-hand. The reader fails to understand the manga, and automatically screams "Plot-hole!". No.

Recent alleged PnJs:

"OMG how did Madara and Obito knew about HQ? PNJ!"

Spoiler

No. Here are the reasons why:

• Kisame sacrificed his life in order to protect and send an Intel scroll. What was in this scroll you may ask? Oh, I don't know, maybe every single important data gathered from Kisame being fused with Samehada! Its purpose was to infiltrate Kumogakure! Not only this, his Intel reached as far as Turtle Island. Every single thing that happened and had to do with Killer Bee and anyone around him, Kisame knew. This is why Kabuto was able to locate them and kidnap Yamato.
• Where is HQ located? Oh right, Kumo! What a coinquidinckle. I dont think so..Moreover, Obito and Kabutomaru were working together by that time. Obito knew too, and this is proved because it was thanks to this information that he was able to create a strategy to draw out the jinchuuriki out of hiding which included the Allied Shinobi Forces to use Naruto's negative sensing technique to take out the transformed White Zetsu

"Dudddd! Why don't Madara and Obito order the Juubi to use the bettered TBB on the Alliance!" Such PNJ!"

Spoiler

No. Here are the reasons why:

• Did you see the radius of the explosion of that bomb? Answering Ao's question, there's a reason why they're shooting it far away: they would die if they aim at the Alliance because of the immense blast radius!

"How does Madara and Obito know they're attack hit the HQ?"lol PNJ

Spoiler

I can't even..

• They knew the location of the HQ.
• They have a HUGE margin of error thanks to its insane blast radius.
• The attack was not tampered with, they shot where they wanted, unlike the first Bijuudama.
• You shoot, you see a boom, a logical conclusion would be: I hit.

Before claiming PnJ, go read! Read the character's abilities, read the story arc again, go back to see if you missed something (like Kisame's intel or Kabuto's intel about the Akatsuki).

1st, they didn't. They used the connection between them and the Juubi to sense their location, and aim the TBB accordingly. Implied, since they stated they control the beast, and the similairity between the mechanics like Sage Mode or the Six Paths techs where one can sense the location of chakra.

2nd, they shot it far away, like I said before, to pinpoint the HQ. If not, it's just to intimidate the forces, I can't think of any other reason to draw the Juubi firing shots in the first place, let alone wondering the motive behind it.

3rd, The chakre source dissapeared.

Things don't have to be written down, in order to understand what's going on,..
Read carefully, people, for the love of Darwin,.. The story isn't that complicated.

 

[November]

Okay

 

[kekerot]

true....the worst flame was when they were flaming with Tobi-Obito pnj and they are all now silent...

 

[sG Taka]

1. How can that be plot? It's a god, and Obito is one of the best sensors out there. He was able to know where Minato was, Naruto (five kage summit) etc and more. Also goes to Danzo. Lmfao

2. Because they were going to test it's power, doing such TBB here would kill all

3. They saw the attack hits, are you nuts??

1st, they didn't. They used the connection between them and the Juubi to sense their location, and aim the TTB accordingly. Implied, since they stated they control the beast, and the similairity between the mechanics like Sage Mode or the Six Paths techs where one can sense the location of chakra.

2nd, they shot it far away, like I said before, to pinpoint the HQ. If not, it's just to intimidate the forces, I can't think of any other reason to draw the Juubi firing shots in the first place, let alone wondering the motive behind it.

3rd, The chakre source dissapeared.

Things don't have to be written down, in order to understand what's going on,..
Read people carefully, people, for the love of Darwin,.. The story isn't that complicated.

The Juubi connection still does not explain how they knew there was an HQ in Kumo in the first place. My explanation does.

On 3, you are right. I will add that.

OT: Are you guys mentally challenged? I am disproving thse alleged PNJs, not agreeing with them.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

That still doesn't address the huge overall plotholes. I had no problem with this chapter, other than the fact that a blind 3rd grader could've drawn a better-looking Juubi. Anyways, Bleach Chapter 520 > Naruto Chapter 613.

 

[Huang]

The Juubi connection still does not explain how they knew there was an HQ in Kumo in the first place. My explanation does.

On 3, you are right. I will add that.

Offcourse it does. The Juubi can sense chakra, we know this because all Bijuu can, so the Juubi will top that abillity.
Being connected to the juubi, and being able to control him,.. pretty much implies they can too, via the Juubi.

 

[sG Taka]

That still doesn't address the huge overall plotholes. I had no problem with this chapter, other than the fact that a blind 3rd grader could've drawn a better-looking Juubi. Anyways, Bleach Chapter 520 > Naruto Chapter 613.

Stop saying "overall" plotholes and specify. I will disprove them.

 

[sG Taka]

Offcourse it does. The Juubi can sense chakra, we know this because all Bijuu can, so the Juubi will top that abillity.
Being connected to the juubi, and being able to control him,.. pretty much implies they can too, via the Juubi.

Yep, thanks for reminding me that.

 

[Huang]

That still doesn't address the huge overall plotholes. I had no problem with this chapter, other than the fact that a blind 3rd grader could've drawn a better-looking Juubi. Anyways, Bleach Chapter 520 > Naruto Chapter 613.

Where your Juubi, then?

Actually this Juubi's is based on basic Japanese demons, who have these forms. Like noppeboru, which slenderman is also based on, kind of resembles the Juubi.

Pretty dumb statement.

And don't get me started on so-called plotholes, so far I haven't seen any.

 

[Huang]

Yep, thanks for reminding me that.

NP

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Stop saying "overall" plotholes and specify. I will disprove them.

By saying, "Stop saying...", you're implying I say it alot. That's my first time saying it, so chill out buddy.
Obito slipping through the rocks.
If that (^^^) was his MS, why'd he unlock it when Kakashi did?
Kishi kinda skipped over the plot hole about how old Obito was when he fought Minato. Obito just said, "I've been here awhile." Kishi didn't specify. Not much of a plot hole, but still...

 

[sG Taka]

By saying, "Stop saying...", you're implying I say it alot. That's my first time saying it, so chill out buddy.
Obito slipping through the rocks.
If that (^^^) was his MS, why'd he unlock it when Kakashi did?
Kishi kinda skipped over the plot hole about how old Obito was when he fought Minato. Obito just said, "I've been here awhile." Kishi didn't specify. Not much of a plot hole, but still...

He didn't slip, the rocks fell on top of him and destroyed the ground. Madara then found him.

 

[Champ]

Madara already did a Kamikaze with the Meteors, he was killed, but guess what he's a Edo tensei he won't die from juubi Biju dama. Obito would just go intangible, and the Juubi itself survived Kurama & Hachibi Biju dama fusion without a scratch, so he would be fine. Plot is savin Naruto em from being annihilated.

 

[sG Taka]

Madara already did a Kamikaze with the Meteors, he was killed, but guess what he's a Edo tensei he won't die from juubi Biju dama. Obito would just go intangible, and the Juubi itself survived Kurama & Hachibi Biju dama fusion without a scratch, so he would be fine. Plot is savin Naruto em from being annihilated.

Obito wouldn't survive, besides, we don't know how long the blast radius lasts, or the effect it has on the victim, since it's a new Bijuudama. It's too risky and Obito knows it.

 

[Unbiased King]

Not that I'm crying "PNJ!" or anything but:

Did you see the radius of the explosion of that bomb? Answering Ao's question, there's a reason why they're shooting it far away: they would die if they aim at the Alliance because of the immense blast radius!

Not necessarily; both Obito and Madara have the means to survive (the former having Kamui and the latter being Edo).

Doubt the Juubi would be fazed from it's own TBB, possible but...nah.

 

[Unbiased King]

Obito wouldn't survive, besides, we don't know how long the blast radius lasts, or the effect it has on the victim, since it's a new Bijuudama. It's too risky and Obito knows it.

Why would it be different from the rest of the Bijuudamas aside from it's power? It develops the same way.

And there's no way the blast is going to last over 5 minutes.

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Clearly the blast settled and all that remains is smoke from destroying the village.