[Discussion] 6 Good Things Hitler Did?

[Vilvake]

1. Insignificant. He only had an opinion, his scientists made something of it.
2. Insignificant. Did he also want German Jews to have a car?
3. Too much credit
4. Insignificant and debatable
5. Reeaaally Insignificant. He also had a dog.
6. Insignificant. I also believe in animal rights. I don't see anyone giving me recognition for it.

You're comparing this to WWII and the systematic killing of millions of Jews. ALONG with everything else.

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[WhiteDespair]

1. Insignificant. He only had an opinion, his scientists made something of it.
2. Insignificant. Did he also want German Jews to have a car?
3. Too much credit
4. Insignificant and debatable
5. Reeaaally Insignificant. He also had a dog.
6. Insignificant. I also believe in animal rights. I don't see anyone giving me recognition for it.

You're comparing this to WWII and the systematic killing of millions of Jews. ALONG with everything else.

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I'm not comparing I'm just saying things he did

 

[Vilvake]

I'm not comparing I'm just saying things he did

The "balanced by great good" and "yin-yang" stuff makes it seem like you are

 

[ZK]

You really do have some sort of complex about the USA, give it a rest, will ya'? lol How did that even enter the conversation? There's plenty of monsters throughout history, but we aren't talking about them, we're talking about Hitler and whether or not he was a monster.

Do you agree that Hitler was a monster? It's a yes or no question... ^_^

I don't believe Hitler was a monster .-. I think it'd be ignorant to dehumanize the man like that. We've had civilizations target ethnic groups with extreme prejudice throughout history. We've had slaughters and massacres happen frequently throughout history.
Hitler held onto a certain set of rules, beliefs and a political ideology known as 'national socialism'. He followed some principles, like every other 'leader'.
One principle, for example, was the belief that he and another ethnicity called 'Aryans' were superior to other ethnicities. Hitler shared this belief, excluding the Aryans, with the Founding Fathers of the United States and many leaders worldwide during his time.
Another principle was the notion that he, as the leader of Germany, could justify attacks on other nations and the killing of said nations' people. This sentiment has always been a part of most leaders/chieftains/emperors throughout history. The 'appeasement' of the 1930s witnessed just how easily it is to annex another nation and make the rest of the world applaud you for doing so.
The racism, the sexism, the authoritarian rule, the dismantling of his people's civil rights, the massacres, the forced labor camps...
All of it has been seen before. I don't understand why Hitler's a monster when everyone else is just 'History'.

 

[sistyN]

all Hail Hitler sama

 

[Vilvake]

I don't believe Hitler was a monster .-. I think it'd be ignorant to dehumanize the man like that. We've had civilizations target ethnic groups with extreme prejudice throughout history. We've had slaughters and massacres happen frequently throughout history.
Hitler held onto a certain set of rules, beliefs and a political ideology known as 'national socialism'. He followed some principles, like every other 'leader'.
One principle, for example, was the belief that he and another ethnicity called 'Aryans' were superior to other ethnicities. Hitler shared this belief, excluding the Aryans, with the Founding Fathers of the United States and many leaders worldwide during his time.
Another principle was the notion that he, as the leader of Germany, could justify attacks on other nations and the killing of said nations' people. This sentiment has always been a part of most leaders/chieftains/emperors throughout history. The 'appeasement' of the 1930s witnessed just how easily it is to annex another nation and make the rest of the world applaud you for doing so.
The racism, the sexism, the authoritarian rule, the dismantling of his people's civil rights, the massacres, the forced labor camps...
All of it has been seen before. I don't understand why Hitler's a monster when everyone else is just 'History'.

It would be ignorant not to call him a monster. Didn't your mother ever tell you "Just because someone else did something, it doesn't make it right?" It doesn't matter what other civilizations have done. The leaders of those were monsters too.

So if I had the "principle" or "ideology" that women were inferior to men, would you not call me a monster if I went out and raped and killed every woman I see?

I'm sorry, people say an opinion can't be wrong. But your opinion, sir, is wrong.

 

[ZK]

It would be ignorant not to call him a monster. Didn't your mother ever tell you "Just because someone else did something, it doesn't make it right?" It doesn't matter what other civilizations have done. The leaders of those were monsters too.

So if I had the "principle" or "ideology" that women were inferior to men, would you not call me a monster if I went out and raped and killed every woman I see?

I'm sorry, people say an opinion can't be wrong. But your opinion, sir, is wrong.

I certainly don't think Hitler's actions were 'right', but following your premise; almost every 'leader' in history should be named a 'monster'.
My point is that calling the 'monsters' is illogical. Certainly, some made extreme decisions and followed radical ideologies, but monsters? I don't believe so.

So to answer your question; no. No, I wouldn't call you a monster.

 

[Vilvake]

I certainly don't think Hitler's actions were 'right', but following your premise; almost every 'leader' in history should be named a 'monster'.
My point is that calling the 'monsters' is illogical. Certainly, some made extreme decisions and followed radical ideologies, but monsters? I don't believe so.

So to answer your question; no. No, I wouldn't call you a monster.

Have you ever studied Hitler, in school or otherwise? Very few leaders, if any, can be compared to him. Do you realize over 10 million people were killed in the holocaust? Did you know those people were enslaved, tortured, hanged, medically experimented on, burned alive, and gassed among other countless atrocities? Even among those rescued, there are reports that people would die from simply eating a sugar packet. That's how starved and malnourished they were. When I read Night by Eli Whitney, I distinctly remember a part where a boy brutally beat his father to get a loaf of bread. How you could even think its illogical to call him a monster is beyond me.

 

[WhiteDespair]

While Adolf Hitler may have been viewed as a monster to eyes whom read the history book try and look at it from this point of view.

Without Adolf Hitler technology would not have advance the measure that it did because of him and his actions many push the edge of technology to its highest.

Medical care advance through the studies which he had his leading scientist work on.

Radar was invented due to the fear of nazi sky invasion.

While hitler may have done wrong that can never be forgiven.

He is the very reason today things are the way they are.

Everything starts with one and booms like a chain reaction and he was the start of it all.

 

[WhiteDespair]

While Adolf Hitler may have been viewed as a monster to eyes whom read the history book try and look at it from this point of view.

Without Adolf Hitler technology would not have advance the measure that it did because of him and his actions many push the edge of technology to its highest.

Medical care advance through the studies which he had his leading scientist work on.

Radar was invented due to the fear of nazi sky invasion.

While hitler may have done wrong that can never be forgiven.

He is the very reason today things are the way they are.

Everything starts with one and booms like a chain reaction and he was the start of it all.

 

[Typhon]

While Adolf Hitler may have been viewed as a monster to eyes whom read the history book try and look at it from this point of view.

Without Adolf Hitler technology would not have advance the measure that it did because of him and his actions many push the edge of technology to its highest.

Medical care advance through the studies which he had his leading scientist work on.

Radar was invented due to the fear of nazi sky invasion.

While hitler may have done wrong that can never be forgiven.

He is the very reason today things are the way they are.

Everything starts with one and booms like a chain reaction and he was the start of it all.

Again I think you're giving Hitler and the Nazis way more credit than they deserve. You make it sound as if the Germans were some sort of advanced society with alien technology nobody had ever seen or imagined before. Yes, they did make significant progress in many areas such as propulsion and aviation. But the things they accomplished were things other people were already working on and would have completed soon after.

So perhaps it would have taken a few more years, but to say we wouldn't have these things if it weren't for the Nazis isn't true.

 

[Insidious Smile]

''10 good things'' and the rest of the ''things'' he'sdone were all bad .

 

[ZK]

Again I think you're giving Hitler and the Nazis way more credit than they deserve. You make it sound as if the Germans were some sort of advanced society with alien technology nobody had ever seen or imagined before. Yes, they did make significant progress in many areas such as propulsion and aviation. But the things they accomplished were things other people were already working on and would have completed soon after.

So perhaps it would have taken a few more years, but to say we wouldn't have these things if it weren't for the Nazis isn't true.

Following that logic; you could discredit about 90% of all American inventions.
The V2 rocket was a brilliant idea, as was the StG 44. The Tiger tank, too, was frikkin awesome.
Seriously; the German military set the bar in the 40s.

 

[Typhon]

Following that logic; you could discredit about 90% of all American inventions.
The V2 rocket was a brilliant idea, as was the StG 44. The Tiger tank, too, was frikkin awesome.
Seriously; the German military set the bar in the 40s.

I agree, I wasn't trying to discredit the inventions or the inventors. What they did was amazing. I was just pointing out that the idea that these inventions wouldn't have been made or that today's world would be any less advanced had the Nazis not come to power isn't a very strong argument.

 

[blackstar9]

only on naruto base do people want to talk about the goodness in a mass murderer !

 

[Vilvake]

Following that logic; you could discredit about 90% of all American inventions.
The V2 rocket was a brilliant idea, as was the StG 44. The Tiger tank, too, was frikkin awesome.
Seriously; the German military set the bar in the 40s.

Hitlers accomplishments ≠ Nazi Germany accomplishments

 

[NarutoIndra]

People are taking personal feelings into this. This thread was not made to listen to your opinions about what Hittler did, and whether it was justifiable or not. He was simply trying to let people acknowledge the fact that Hittler was not strictly a negative person, but also had his positives. And I agree with the thread, Hittler did do several things that helped todays society and previous generations whether directly or indirectly. People saying 'the 6 good things he did don't balance with the atrocities he committed' are being ignorant to the fact that the thread was only created to show he had a positive impact as well.

 

[Souji]

In terms of power relations... If Hitler and the Nazis hadn't stepped in and created the Third Reich, who would have been able to stall/stop Stalin's conquest of Europe? If anything it kept the other powers in check.

No one is saying Hitler's methods and ideals are considered moral (genocide, racial superiority, etc). In fact, they're horrible. What the OP is trying to address is his political and economic impact on the world.

 

[Vilvake]

People are taking personal feelings into this. This thread was not made to listen to your opinions about what Hittler did, and whether it was justifiable or not. He was simply trying to let people acknowledge the fact that Hittler was not strictly a negative person, but also had his positives. And I agree with the thread, Hittler did do several things that helped todays society and previous generations whether directly or indirectly. People saying 'the 6 good things he did don't balance with the atrocities he committed' are being ignorant to the fact that the thread was only created to show he had a positive impact as well.

I guess you missed the "balanced by great good" and "yin-yang" parts.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

do you people even know why he did what he did and who was actually funding his regime??? well if you don't know ...... most central banks are owned by jews ...you know what a good name for central banks are ...banking mafia cartel... that's what central banks are...little by little they take over your country.

"give me the power of a nations economy i care not who makes the laws." quote by Amschel Rothchilds founder of the federal reserve in the U.S

guess what nazi's said srew you to that quote and did what they did but remember that the U.S was funding hitler's campaign into power, hitler got into power because of the U.S and the o so beloved F.D.R when are people gonna realize that presidents are not elected but selected.it dont matter what party the top pick of any party has been selected already so it's not an issue of which party wins....cause the ones that selected the candidates like them.