583: Danzo, Orochimaru and Uchiha Kagami?

[Baka Sennin]

Personally, I think that guy is Torune's father, Shikuro. BUT, Tobi knew of Shikuro and his abilities, which might mean that he is indeed Kagami. That both father and son would be Danzou's henchmen makes a bit of sense too

 

[Yanto]

it was tobi lol

 

[Higekage]

Well you are wrong about the dates. When Danzo came to the orphanage, Kabuto was 6 years old. Why? Well let's see, it said Kabuto was found when he was 3 years old and taken in, which is when Mother found him. During this week's chapter, when Kabuto was leaving with Danzo, one of the kid's said what about the 3 years you spent here or something like that. So that makes Kabuto 6. Kabuto is 23 now, so this flashback happened 17 years ago. Kyuubi attack was 16 years ago for obvious reasons. So this happened BEFORE the kyuubi attack.

Plus as people have pointed out, the person with Danzo in the orphanage is not Danzo's age. Kagami would be around Danzo's age, so if he was Kagami, he would look a hell of a lot older in that flashback.

Ok, thanks for clearing that out. I had totally missed how old Kabuto was. My point was that about the same time this happened, the Kyuubi incident happened and about this time, Kagami/Aburame/Whatever was with root.
Also I know he didn't appear to be quite as old as Danzo, but he was beneath a hood and Kishi might not want to spoil it with adding just a line to show his age so everybody knows it's Tobi.

 

[burstguy]

lets not f*ck about, he's blatantly from the aburame clan. stupid theory

 

[Higekage]

lets not f*ck about, he's blatantly from the aburame clan. stupid theory

Still if he is it's probably Shikuro and Tobi is most likely involved somewhere in this and might even appear soon in the flashbacks which would make me happy too. I just wanna know more about Tobi lol

 

[psukkar]

Hello guys! So I wanted to share my thoughts on the second follower of Danzo besides Orochimaru.

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So, here he is. Features of note: He wears black glasses and has some strange mark on his cheek.

First I thought he reminded me alot about that accomplice of later Danzo, Torune. He could be like Aburame Shikuro, his father.

But what if he's, as people are speculating, actually a very important character?

I started noting this man actually looks very similar to Kagami. Also they both wear Konoha headbands which could be a hint that's not too obvious

So, I took Kagami's profile picture on narutopedia and edited it in good ol' paint, adding the fancy glasses (and the little cheek mark)

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To me it looks similar to the glasses guy

Then there's one theory that the true identity of Tobi is none less than this guy, Kagami. Kagami is supposedly very close to Danzo's age. Could be some years younger perhaps?

Now for this part I'm not sure exactly how long ago the flashbacks with Kabuto and Danzo are supposed to be.
So, how old is Kabuto in these flashbacks? Could he be, like, 8-10? That would mean since he's 23 now (I think) it was approximately 15 years ago. Danzo was 72 in Part II and he does look like 55 in the latest manga so it makes sense. The unknown glasses guy, if he's Kagami, would be very close to the same age as Danzo, as mentioned. Hard to tell how old he is supposed to be. He's behind a hood and no detailed close-up has been showed so far.

Ok, so Tobi, we can with quite certainty say he's experienced and pretty old in present Naruto time. Judging by the few shots we have of Tobi's face I'd say he's a couple of years younger than Danzo, like 68 yrs old. If he is Kagami, the age makes sense.

Also, the flashback with Kabuto = about 15 years ago.
Who was born at this time?
Naruto, of course! This means the attack of Tobi and Kyuubi at Konoha happened 15 years ago. Now Tobi bypassed the security and all that.. Hey, with him being a Root ANBU shinobi, he could totally do that!
Also Kagami and Danzo were missing among the to be elders from the kyuubi incident.

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and there's some interesting stuff to be read from the page I got this pic from even if it was posted in oct 2011 -

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So in conclusion, I think the third guy is actually Kagami who is actually Tobi. Could be wrong though and I don't mind about that I know there are lots of good theories on who he might be. If you think there's something I missed or that I'm wrong, please explain. I want to know the truth about the mysterious Tobi too and don't think I've found the answer until it's been proved. That's all from me

tobi is kagami is silly as tobi is obito for the same reasons. Tobi is older and is well aware of events that are before the third hokage's time.

tobi is an older character regardless who he is.

 

[Higekage]

tobi is kagami is silly as tobi is obito for the same reasons. Tobi is older and is well aware of events that are before the third hokage's time.

tobi is an older character regardless who he is.

Yea, but Kagami was there during the second war. I agree it has to be someone old, but someone around Kagami's age seems old enough. Also Tobi does look to be about the same age as Danzo
About the glasses, there are many people in Naruto wearing sunglasses. The only identical model + color that I can find is the ones Aburame Shibi is wearing, which also hints that this guy is an Aburame. Still, Aoba wears the same model with red frame while another Aburame wears it with purple frame so it's not like only Aburame wears them Why do they wear glasses? Probably so they don't get their bugs in the eyes or something lol. If it was Tobi, he could hide his identity under them (and the hood) so there is a good reason imo.

Edit: Just realized Kabuto said to Tobi something like "So you go by the name Madara these days?" implying he knows his real identity. It must be pretty close to his reveal! I really hope so. Feels like he will definitely be in the flashbacks

 

[Inception]

tobi is kagami is silly as tobi is obito for the same reasons. Tobi is older and is well aware of events that are before the third hokage's time.

tobi is an older character regardless who he is.

This is a bad post for few reasons.


1). Tobi could be anyone. He doesn't have to be old to know about the infamous Madara Uchiha.
2). Itachi knew about Madara's story just as clear as Tobi did. Last I checked, he doesn't come anywhere close to Madara's age or even Danzo. Why should we assume that Tobi is THAT old?
3). Tobi doesn't know what Edo Tensei is compared to the real Madara who obviously does. Edo Tensei was famous during the 1st and 2nd Hokage's reign. If Tobi was around back then and had rivalry ties, he would surely know.
4). Kagami was around when Madara and Hashirama were alive. He is around the same age as Danzo. Tobi and Danzo clearly go way back . Kagami was in Danzo's team. He also had ties with Hiruzen and the elders as they are clearly around the same age.
5). Tobirama was their master during the war and probably prior to it. This team consisted of Tobirama Senju, Hiruzen Sarutobi, Koharu Utatane, Homura Mitokado, Danzō Shimura, and Torifu Akimichi. Everyone except Kagami has been accounted for in the manga.
6). Tobirama was famous was for his Space/Time Teleporation Justu (Tobi obviously uses a very similar technique), ability to sense enemies and tell their numbers by simply touching the ground (Zetsu's ability sounds similar to this doesn't it? And Tobi is supposedly able to sense people too, this is how he teleports to their locations).
7). Tobi can be short for Tobirama. Maybe Tobi IS Kagami?

We won't know until it's revealed but I am pointing towards Kagami or Izuna. Age does not matter but one thing is clear. Tobi is not Obito. Maybe he has his eye or something but he is not Obito.

 

[Suan19]

I think its Aoba

 

[psukkar]

This is a bad post for few reasons.


1). Tobi could be anyone. He doesn't have to be old to know about the infamous Madara Uchiha.
2). Itachi knew about Madara's story just as clear as Tobi did. Last I checked, he doesn't come anywhere close to Madara's age or even Danzo. Why should we assume that Tobi is THAT old?
3). Tobi doesn't know what Edo Tensei is compared to the real Madara who obviously does. Edo Tensei was famous during the 1st and 2nd Hokage's reign. If Tobi was around back then and had rivalry ties, he would surely know.
4). Kagami was around when Madara and Hashirama were alive. He is around the same age as Danzo. Tobi and Danzo clearly go way back . Kagami was in Danzo's team. He also had ties with Hiruzen and the elders as they are clearly around the same age.
5). Tobirama was their master during the war and probably prior to it. This team consisted of Tobirama Senju, Hiruzen Sarutobi, Koharu Utatane, Homura Mitokado, Danzō Shimura, and Torifu Akimichi. Everyone except Kagami has been accounted for in the manga.
6). Tobirama was famous was for his Space/Time Teleporation Justu (Tobi obviously uses a very similar technique), ability to sense enemies and tell their numbers by simply touching the ground (Zetsu's ability sounds similar to this doesn't it? And Tobi is supposedly able to sense people too, this is how he teleports to their locations).
7). Tobi can be short for Tobirama. Maybe Tobi IS Kagami?

We won't know until it's revealed but I am pointing towards Kagami or Izuna. Age does not matter but one thing is clear. Tobi is not Obito. Maybe he has his eye or something but he is not Obito.

you missed the one key thing.

Rinnegan explain to me how tobi knows so much about the rinnegan, gedo mazo and hasihrama if he wasnr old in nature. You think such secerts are written down on walls that anyone can read?

Tobi most certainly is an old character who has seen many jutsu old and new. There hasnt been a single jutsu tobi hasnt been aware from so6p's powers all thr way to a simple kick and punch.


Also itachi was told about such matters by tobi, keep that in mind before you get ahead of yourself dude.

 

[Uchihagodzzz]

Nice observation!

 

[Higekage]

you missed the one key thing.

Rinnegan explain to me how tobi knows so much about the rinnegan, gedo mazo and hasihrama if he wasnr old in nature. You think such secerts are written down on walls that anyone can read?

Tobi most certainly is an old character who has seen many jutsu old and new. There hasnt been a single jutsu tobi hasnt been aware from so6p's powers all thr way to a simple kick and punch.


Also itachi was told about such matters by tobi, keep that in mind before you get ahead of yourself dude.

He says he thinks Izuna or Kagami (Pretty old dudes both of them) is Tobi but he could also be young. Personally I have no idea why they would show wrinkles on his face unless to tell that he's old. Sure, it's fantasy, it could be someone young who has altered his appearance or something but meh, seems silly and not likely.
I don't think it's Izuna. Doesn't make any sense. He gave his eyes to Madara and died to begin with. Of course there could be a huge, lame surprise, but since it's Madara's own brother it would still be very obvious and I think Kishi wants to create a bigger impact with this reveal

Nice observation!

Thanks

 

[MadaraHashirama]

In the end it will just be a guy from the Aburame clan and all this thread wasn't needed, if you disagree waitnsee.

 

[MannySoopa]

i feel dumb after reading the OP

 

[Higekage]

In the end it will just be a guy from the Aburame clan and all this thread wasn't needed, if you disagree waitnsee.

Yea and in the end we will see who Tobi is and all threads that were wrong about who he was are useless. That's a whole bunch of useless threads. I just think speculating is really fun even if you're wrong. I'm not dead serious 100% about this guy being Kagami really, just thought he could be because I find they are about identical in appearance except the glasses which I added to Kagami as a fun gesture I know that probably it's Shikuro Aburame, but there is a little chance it isn't and it would be interesting to see Tobi in the flashbacks since he does fit in there.

 

[niblack89]

Kagami is Tobi. I'm 95% sure of this. The only Uchiha on the Senju squad who's the only elder that is UN accounted fir that knows so many if the leafs hidden secrets. He was a teen when Madara died so he understands what Madara means to the world. Also The real Madara didn't sir at the valley of the end. He knew of Nagato.

This Guy in the Hood is not Kagami. He's to young to be in his 50s or 6os

 

[Higekage]

By the way, about the age

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And this is irl. If Kagami is Tobi, and we know how Tobi looks, he still does look well preserved to be 70ish XP Kagami might be what we call a lucky ager!

 

[DarkZer0]

Yes, he could be Kagami.But do to the glasses he looks more like an Aburame clan member than a Uchiha.

 

[peaceful ninja]

i dont see it happening but you never know